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Tbh considering the Low 5-B feat Hagoromo did is when he was unable to move at all due to Juubi removal, if we still had UES everyone would be Low 5-B
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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yeah but standards change
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So if naruto, sasuke and sakura were portrayed as equals. Shouldn't this apply to speed as well as strength? Should she not be sub-rel?
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Perfectly fine...for Juubito level characters
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How do you even get 5-C Juubito?
MinatoSparkle
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Considers himself Hagoromo level and he knows Hags made the moon, is above the Juubi who has small planet levels of chakra, and can destroy the world with the Sword of Nunoboku.
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Talk is cheap.
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No.
Base Madara >>> Base Obito and Madara absorbed a Juubi with half Kurama and like 90% Gyuki while Juubito only has a tiny fraction of Kurama and Gyuki. Even with all that Hagoromo only says he's "close" to his level. There is no way Juubito is Hagoromo level.
MinatoSparkle
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It ain't that serious it's just an emojiSparkle how are you gonna point the finger when you get victimized by Slayer in every single threadthere’s only so much “snort snort it’s just cuz vsbw votes for slayer more” copium you can huff before even you become self aware right
My point's not that he's actually Hagoromo level but that it only makes sense for him to think it if he can do the same things he knows Hagoromo has done
No.
Base Madara >>> Base Obito and Madara absorbed a Juubi with half Kurama and like 90% Gyuki while Juubito only has a tiny fraction of Kurama and Gyuki. Even with all that Hagoromo only says he's "close" to his level. There is no way Juubito is Hagoromo level.
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Sparkle’s argument isn’t that Juubito = Hag, it’s that Juubito based “Hag level” on moon creation and throwing (5-C) and thinks he’s Hag level, therefore he’s arguing that Juubito believes himself to be at that level of moon stuff (5-C), thus he can still be weaker than actual Hagoromo, but be as strong as what his preconceptions of Hagoromo are. Since they don’t have to be the same. Now whether that’s a strong argument is sumn else
No.
Base Madara >>> Base Obito and Madara absorbed a Juubi with half Kurama and like 90% Gyuki while Juubito only has a tiny fraction of Kurama and Gyuki. Even with all that Hagoromo only says he's "close" to his level. There is no way Juubito is Hagoromo level.
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Ah I see. That makes sense.It ain't that serious it's just an emoji
My point's not that he's actually Hagoromo level but that it only makes sense for him to think it if he can do the same things he knows Hagoromo has done
But there are some asterisks here
1. Does Juubito genuinely believe he's on the same level as Hagoromo? Even if actual Hagoromo is far stronger than he is?
2. There's also the issue of revived Madara supposedly being able to take down Juubito, which is weird if Juubito scales that high.
3. How will Juubito get his 5-C rating? If this is true? Since Narutoverse doesn't run under a UES anymore, moon throwing stuff can't scale to physicals or standard jutsus. Like on Hagoromo's profile, he will only get Low 5-B via telekinesis while his main stats remains at (at least) High 6-B since we have no feats putting him at any higher. Maybe Nunoboko also gets Low 5-B but Nard and Sauce (and by extension "Base" Juubito) can't scale to it since Juubito got a giga mental nerf when he used it.
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Clearly, given how many times he says it.
1. Juubito has a weakness to senjutsu
2. SM Madara being 5-C with his strongest attacks isn't that weird
I mean idt it has to scale to Juubito's physicals, just saying he'd be Moon level with his strongest attacks. Though you could infer it from the Juubi just being Small Planet level on its own depending on interpretation of that.
Uh his physicals are 5-C
I'm fine w that
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What are yall yapping about
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There is no correct interpretation of the statement you're talking about that makes the Juubi Low 5-B.
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Kurama can vaporize the planet stay mad
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Sparkle talking about the possibility that Juubito is tier 5 due to him considering himself as powerful as Hagoromo (which would mean he thinks and he's capable of doing the same things as Hagoromo, like throwing the moon into orbit. Obito is fairly knowledgeable about Hagoromo lore)
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*Half-Kurama
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MinatoSparkle
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Author insert interpretation
MinatoSparkle
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50% Kurama doesn't scale to MKCM2 Naruto or the Juubi
MinatoSparkle
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Mayhaps
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Oh brother
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I actually do quite like the idea of baseline 5-C Juubito. Obviously he doesn't know what happened, but there's no way he thinks "I could never create the moon, but I'm stronger than the guy who made the moon." Maybe half that since he might know about Hamura helping?
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He seems to think it was done singlehandedly by Hagoromo
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Was there any hits to Hags having a brother till later?
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I get the whole shonbi thing off death and battle being a friendly gesture but do they really have to let fighting to the death be an option for some gennin? Especially in the preliminary exam?
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Pretty sure it was first revealed by Hagoromo
In this harsh shinobi world that's considered normal
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Don't worry, they don't let them kill each other in the prelims. Now, severe injuries that could traumatize you for life? That's fine, you could eat a guy's eyeball if you wanted.
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Well, he didn't access to the complete information.
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Success of achievements? Or achievements of success?
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Bruh but like why Kishi what was this point?
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Set up for The Last, essentially. It's the only reason Hamura exists.
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Successful achievements of success awards mrk editionSuccess of achievements? Or achievements of success?
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I'm aware? I'm just saying he compared himself to Hagoromo while having that belief
It takes a huge amount of energy though. Also it can be used offensively clearly, as seen with Pain/Nagato.
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The SPCT clearly has additional properties than the CT. Also, Pain/Nagato don’t even scale to their CT anyway, so in no way does that imply Obito is punching at that weight class. It taking huge energy also means nothing for the desired goal of scaling Obito to it.
