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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

UchihaSlayer96 said:
Way to miss the context.

These statements are referencing the fact that adding the chakra of Indra and Asura results in the manifestation of Hagoromo's own chakra, and leads to Rinnegan manifestation. The same Rinnegan that Hagoromo possessed. It's a genetics thing.
But someone like Madara, who awakened the Rinnegan this way, still did not possess Six Paths chakra yet. Having a Rinnegan on its own does not grant SPC.
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Konan literally says that Senju and Uchiha DNA combining on its own creates Six Paths power, and Obito implicitly agrees.
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Another thing is that not all Rinnegan are the same. Momoshiki's Rinnegan has absolutely nothing to do with the one that stems from Hagoromo, and they share none of the abilities. Even the chakra absorption-type ability works differently. They literally have nothing in common. Same goes for Urashiki's Rinnegan(s). It works very differently and posseses different abilities.
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Yes, the same is true of stuff like different MS users. They're all the MS, but they grant different abilities. The conditions for attaining them are still the same.
UchihaSlayer96 said:
You need to understand that outside of the general Otsutsuki physiology stuff (flight, Kāma, etc), these people have different and unique abilities. This makes sense because they evolve themselves by consuming different planets' genetic material, which would logically lead to different powers.

Are we just supposed to ignore the fact that these other Otsutsuki who are unrelated to Kaguya's bloodline not exhibiting any of these abilities is just a coincidence? Not only did they showcase quite literally none of them, but it was never stated or implied either.
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Kaguya also didn't display a lot of abilities she should logically have like TSOs and most of the Rinnegan abilities, I wouldn't say that means she doesn't have them. Otsutsuki just don't really fight that optimally.
 
Iirc Indra invented Ninjutsu. Then any and all jutsu used before him was just Shinjutsu right? Infinite Tsukuyomi, Ash bones, SPCT, ETSB, Momoshiki's abilities, Isshiki's abilities, Kaguya's abilities, Hagoromo's and Hamura's abilities, Toneri's abilities etc? All of these should be Shinjutsu (retcon). Takes a lot of hype away from the Shinjutsu tbh.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Konan literally says that Senju and Uchiha DNA combining on its own creates Six Paths power, and Obito implicitly agrees.
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Sparkle, don't be a goon. The first one is in reference to Creation of All Things (Izanagi on crack), the Madara thing is in reference to the Rinnegan.
Combining different aspects of Uchiha and Senju grants different aspects of Hagoromo's power, but not necessarily all of them. Rinnegan manifestation is one such combination, but it does not grant all of Hagoromo's abilities, and it does not grant SPC or Six Paths Senjutsu.
MinatoSparkle said:
Yes, the same is true of stuff like different MS users. They're all the MS, but they grant different abilities. The conditions for attaining them are still the same.
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The difference is that we know how the MS is attained. We don't know how these other Otsutsuki get their Rinnegan.

And you just said it yourself, they all have different abilities because they evolve through gaining different planets' chakra/genetic material. There's zero reason to equate their abilities.
MinatoSparkle said:
Kaguya also didn't display a lot of abilities she should logically have like TSOs and most of the Rinnegan abilities, I wouldn't say that means she doesn't have them. Otsutsuki just don't really fight that optimally.
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She does have TSOs, she literally used one...
And no, she does not have Rinnegan abilities. But even if she did, that wouldn't change anything I said because Six Paths chakra is a common trait for her bloodline. Having a Rinnegan or not has nothing to do with that.
 
WellHelloThere said:
Iirc Indra invented Ninjutsu. Then any and all jutsu used before him was just Shinjutsu right? Infinite Tsukuyomi, Ash bones, SPCT, ETSB, Momoshiki's abilities, Isshiki's abilities, Kaguya's abilities, Hagoromo's and Hamura's abilities, Toneri's abilities etc? All of these should be Shinjutsu (retcon). Takes a lot of hype away from the Shinjutsu tbh.
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UchihaSlayer96 said:
They ain't, but there's a ton of things pointing in that direction.
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I doubt that. Shinjutsu is introduced as something so godly only a select few otsutsuki have it. In Shippuden, even Madara used Infinte Tsukiyomi. Ash Killing bone is a Kekkei Mora. Anything that has "Kekkei" in it is gotten from the combination of chakra elements along with Yin and Yang. Shinjutsu is supposed to have nothing to do with chakra elements.
 
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Tdjwo said:
I doubt that. Shinjutsu is introduced as something so godly only a select few otsutsuki have it. In Shippuden, even Madara used Infinte Tsukiyomi. Ash Killing bone is a Kekkei Mora. Anything that has "Kekkei" in it is gotten from the combination of chakra elements along with Yin and Yang. Shinjutsu is supposed to have nothing to do with chakra elements.
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That's literally false lmao. Shinjutsu is achieved through the manipulation of chakra.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
That's literally false lmao. Shinjutsu is achieved through the manipulation of chakra.
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Did I say it wasn't achieved via chakra manipulation? I said shinjutsu has nothing to do with the chakra nature's like Wind, water, fire, lightning, Yin and yang, etc. It's supposed to be an entirely new concept.
Ash Killing bone and ETSB all fall under "Kekkei" which is the combination of either more than one element or all elements including Yin/Yang. Shinjutsu on the other hand is seen as something entirely different, new and superior.
 
Where do you keep pulling out these claims from? Damn.
Tdjwo said:
Shinjutsu is introduced as something so godly only a select few otsutsuki have it.
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This is never stated. It's never stated that only a select few otsutsuki have it.
Tdjwo said:
Ash Killing bone is a Kekkei Mora. Anything that has "Kekkei" in it is gotten from the combination of chakra elements along with Yin and Yang. Shinjutsu is supposed to have nothing to do with chakra elements.
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It's never stated that shinjutsu has nothing to do with elements. Neither has it been stated that Ninjutsu has to have elements in it. Example: rasengan.
Tdjwo said:
It's supposed to be an entirely new concept.
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It is literally said to be what ninjutsu tries to imitate. It's a wild claim to say it has got nothing to do with chakra natures.
Tdjwo said:
Ash Killing bone and ETSB all fall under "Kekkei" which is the combination of either more than one element or all elements including Yin/Yang.
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Being kekkei doesn't mean it can't be Shinjutsu. It has obviously been retconned because ash bones are called ninjutsu but the timelines don't match.
 
The confirmed Shinjutsu are the Cyborgs', Momoshiki, and Isshiki's abilities. Shibai has all of these abilities, no question about it.

It is very likely that Kaguya's techniques, Kekkei Mōra in general, are Shinjutsu too but we'll have to wait for more information

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Kekkei Mōra

Kekkei Mōra (血継網羅, literally meaning: Bloodline Encompassing) is an advanced branch of jutsu unique to Kaguya Ōtsutsuki and her direct bloodline. All of Kaguya's techniques were classified as kekkei mōra; beyond these examples, what exactly classifies a kekkei mōra is unknown. What can be...
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This can definitely be classified as a Shinjutsu though, and its something all Otsutsuki can do...

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[Classification:] Ninjutsu, Kekkei Mōra

[Name:] Yomotsu Hirasaka

[User:] Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

With an instant unfulfilled moment, she emerges from the gates of the underworld!!

Creating holes in the air and freely traversing within the six spaces she controls, this can be called the original spacetime ninja art. It resembles "Kamui," but it is activated without the use of seals or any preparatory movements. The destination is within the same space, regardless of whether it is a different space. Moreover, it is possible to drag others into a separate space. It can be utilized in evasion, disturbance, and surprise attacks in various situations, but mastering it would likely be challenging for anyone other than Kaguya, who possesses all three major dojutsu.

Dodging the enemy's attack while simultaneously circling around to their back in an instant! Truly, a master of space manipulation.
 
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EmperorRorepmeThree said:
This can definitely be classified as a Shinjutsu though, and its something all Otsutsuki can do...

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[Classfication:] Ninjutsu, Kekkei Mōra

[Name:] Yomotsu Hirasaka

[User:] Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

With an instant unfulfilled moment, she emerges from the gates of the underworld!!

Creating holes in the air and freely traversing within the six spaces she controls, this can be called the original spacetime ninja art. It resembles "Kamui," but it is activated without the use of seals or any preparatory movements. The destination is within the same space, regardless of whether it is a different space. Moreover, it is possible to drag others into a separate space. It can be utilized in evasion, disturbance, and surprise attacks in various situations, but mastering it would likely be challenging for anyone other than Kaguya, who possesses all three major dojutsu.

Dodging the enemy's attack while simultaneously circling around to their back in an instant! Truly, a master of space manipulation.
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Retcons...retcons everywhere.
 
Anyways a simple cope for how Hiramekarei got trillions of times stronger is because its takes in the chakra of the user, so if the user is stronger than the sword will also be stronger
 
WellHelloThere said:
Where do you keep pulling out these claims from? Damn.

This is never stated. It's never stated that only a select few otsutsuki have it.
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Otsutsukis who have reached godhood are the ones who use Shinjutsu. And not every Otsutsuki has reached that. Not even Isshiki.
WellHelloThere said:
It's never stated that shinjutsu has nothing to do with elements. Neither has it been stated that Ninjutsu has to have elements in it. Example: rasengan.
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Stop sprouting bs and read the damn. Manga. Amado specifically stated Shinjutsu has nothing to do with Ninjutsu AND even Sage arts
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He directly compared them to divine miracles never witnessed before. Even Naruto who has fought with Kaguya and seen all her abilities was amazed by Shinjutsu's description.
Rasengan is just a change in chakra form. Nothing special about it when you compare it to Shinjutsu that's seen a "divine miracle"
WellHelloThere said:
It is literally said to be what ninjutsu tries to imitate. It's a wild claim to say it has got nothing to do with chakra natures.
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I can't even make any logic out of this. Just because I'm trying to imitate Messi's playstyle, that doesn't automatically make me Messi.
WellHelloThere said:
Being kekkei doesn't mean it can't be Shinjutsu. It has obviously been retconned because ash bones are called ninjutsu but the timelines don't match.
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Nothing was retconned. You just can't think deeply enough. I don't see why Kishimoto would call a pre-existing concept another name when it supposedly means the same thing. Kekkei Genkai, Kekkei Tota and Kekkei mora are all bloodline limits. Shinjutsu isn't shown to be that way. Daemon, Eida, Code, Boruto and Kawaki (via Karma) are random ass people who got gifted Shinjutsu powers without any physical drawbacks like it would have been with anything that has the name, "Kekkei"
 
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