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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Not really, as we accept it now manga > anime for anything the manga has adapted aka that fight. Anime canon matters for canon stuff that isn’t shown in the manga
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
That doesn’t change how chakra and amps in the series works. All it is, is Karma stacked ontop of an Juubi Amped Jigen.

Karma + Juubi Chakra > Karma by itself.

All that means is Full Powered Isshiki > Juubi, and that doesn’t change the conversation because Shinju Spawns > Isshiki Full Power wasn’t being debated.

Now I have actually been thinking… the “reason” the Shinju Spawns might be > Jigen after their transformation is due to how chakra works. With consciousness and awareness and no longer being a mindless entity driven only by instinct, the Juubi’s Chakra would automatically be strengthened due to it’s “Spiritual Energy” being increased.

It wouldn’t be the same as a Juubi Jinchuriki, whom can better utilize the Juubi’s Chakra due to their CC skill, it’s would be like an Academy Student suddenly becoming an experienced Jonin in Knowledge and CC. In the former, the chakra isn’t “amped”, just better utilized. In the latter, the Chakra is actually amped.

If that makes sense… 🤔

@MinatoSparkle @Nierre @UchihaSlayer96

Thoughts?
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Shinju Spawns are not the same as the Juubi. These ones are partial-God Trees. They are enhanced by Code's Chakra who is enhanced from Karma, plus now having consciousness to use abilities and taijutsu from people stuck on trees.

This is the same reasoning that made people think Borushiki created giant rasengan against Boro from Naruto's chakra, while it was never the case. Borushiki was that strong from the beginning.
Chakra gotten from the Original Juubi wouldn't do much for Jigen, since the greater source is from Karma. I wonder if you seriously think that small absorption from the juubi is worth anything.
And there's no multiplicative statement from Jigen or anywhere in the manga. Saying otherwise is pure speculation. At best, Jigen wanted to refill his tank much quicker.
 
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Kayzz said:
Shinju Spawns are not the same as the Juubi. These ones are partial-God Trees. They are enhanced by Code's Chakra who is enhanced from Karma, plus now having consciousness to use abilities and taijutsu from people stuck on trees.

This is the same reasoning that made people think Borushiki created giant rasengan against Boro from Naruto's chakra, while it was never the case. Borushiki was that strong from the beginning.
Chakra gotten from the Original Juubi wouldn't do much for Jigen, since the greater source is from Karma. I wonder if you seriously think that small absorption from the juubi is worth anything.
And there's no multiplicative statement from Jigen or anywhere in the manga. Saying otherwise is pure speculation. At best, Jigen wanted to refill his tank much quicker.
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Bro, Idc about the agro you have over this. If it was insignificant, it wouldn’t be necessary to go out of his way to do what he did IN PREPARATION for fighting Naruto. Please stop this… “This” is pointless.

Anything you say regarding “why” he did this is speculative based on nothing being stated or implied about Jigen prior, nor did anything Amado said or Isshiki justify his “reasoning” to do it, so spare me. So all of that, “Stamina this and this” or whatever you said earlier is irrelevant speculation that has 0 support aside from being Headcanon.

The only fact that matters here is Isshiki thought it was necessary to do this prior to showing up, so to suggest it is insignificant or irrelevant is plainly disingenuous and I won’t even entertain the argument beyond this unless you can bring something more.

Nothing you said even changes what I said anyways. Karma + Juubi Chakra > Karma Alone.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Bro, Idc about the agro you have over this. If it was insignificant, it wouldn’t be necessary to go out of his way to do what he did IN PREPARATION for fighting Naruto. Please stop this… “This” is pointless.

Anything you say regarding “why” he did this is speculative based on nothing being stated or implied about Jigen prior, nor did anything Amado said or Isshiki justify his “reasoning” to do it, so spare me. So all of that, “Stamina this and this” or whatever you said earlier is irrelevant speculation that has 0 support aside from being Headcanon.

The only fact that matters here is Isshiki thought it was necessary to do this prior to showing up, so to suggest it is insignificant or irrelevant is plainly disingenuous and I won’t even entertain the argument beyond this unless you can bring something more.

Nothing you said even changes what I said anyways. Karma + Juubi Chakra > Karma Alone.
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Bro don't be a hypocrite. You cannot make any conclusion that juubi chakra empowers his Karma state. There are too many assumptions for why he needed it. We have no prior version of himself fighting without juubi chakra to make comparison. It remains baseless until we get proof - statement or scan. Simple as that.
 
Kayzz said:
Bro don't be a hypocrite. You cannot make any conclusion that juubi chakra empowers his Karma state. There are too many assumptions for why he needed it. We have no prior version of himself fighting without juubi chakra to make comparison. It remains baseless until we get proof - statement or scan. Simple as that.
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Except i’ve said nothing that was an assumption, just a statement of fact, and I can do that because that is how the series works.

A Juubi Enhanced Jigen w/ Karma Stacked > Jigen w/ Karma.

You are trying to argue that the Juubi’s chakra is meaningless, pointless, irrelevant to that equation, which is baseless. I’ve not made an assumption on his reasons “why” he did it, although if I were to say he did it to increases his odds of not losing to Naruto and/or Sasuke, that would be implicitly supported by his actions and not at all “baseless” vs, “I don’t know why he did it but was pointless because it was not necessary and didn’t actually help him in any way”…

Throughout the series, Biju and Juubi Chakra has ALWAYS be used and portrayed as an enhancer to those who absorbed their chakra. With this consistent precedent in mind, when another character is shown going to absorb Juubi Chakra, what proof or context do you have that says it is ANYTHING other than to enhance themselves? Answer: You don’t have any…

We already know “Code’s Chakra” alone didn’t enhance the Claw Grimes to a notable degree as even Chocho said they’re fodder. That only changed when, what happened?… They got more of Juubi’s power, in the form of a Rinnegan.

So As I said even BEFORE you responded to me with this nonsense. If these Shinju Spawns prove themselves to be stronger than Jigen, that HAS to recontexualize him absorbing its chakra and his fight w/ Naruto/Sasuke. In the post I pinged the others in, I was speculating potential reasons why the Shinju Spawns could be far more stronger now that they have transformed in attempt to give Jigen some bail, but It’s a conversational piece atm, as I said, just speculation.

And it’s as simple as that~
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Except i’ve said nothing that was an assumption, just a statement of fact, and I can do that because that is how the series works.

A Juubi Enhanced Jigen w/ Karma Stacked > Jigen w/ Karma.

You are trying to argue that the Juubi’s chakra is meaningless, pointless, irrelevant to that equation, which is baseless. I’ve not made an assumption on his reasons “why” he did it, although if I were to say he did it to increases his odds of not losing to Naruto and/or Sasuke, that would be implicitly supported by his actions and not at all “baseless” vs, “I don’t know why he did it but was pointless because it was not necessary and didn’t actually help him in any way”…

Throughout the series, Biju and Juubi Chakra has ALWAYS be used and portrayed as an enhancer to those who absorbed their chakra. With this consistent precedent in mind, when another character is shown going to absorb Juubi Chakra, what proof or context do you have that says it is ANYTHING other than to enhance themselves? Answer: You don’t have any…

We already know “Code’s Chakra” alone didn’t enhance the Claw Grimes to a notable degree as even Chocho said they’re fodder. That only changed when, what happened?… They got more of Juubi’s power, in the form of a Rinnegan.

So As I said even BEFORE you responded to me with this nonsense. If these Shinju Spawns prove themselves to be stronger than Jigen, that HAS to recontexualize him absorbing its chakra and his fight w/ Naruto/Sasuke. In the post I pinged the others in, I was speculating potential reasons why the Shinju Spawns could be far more stronger now that they have transformed in attempt to give Jigen some bail, but It’s a conversational piece atm, as I said, just speculation.

And it’s as simple as that~
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At the end of the day, you have no in-verse scan or statement from the manga to lay your argument on. You can quote me with long epistle but your reasoning still ends up baseless.
I have a comparison with Borushiki situation of collecting Naruto's chakra to stabilise Boruto, but in no way did it make Borushiki more powerful.
The 4 Shinju beings getting more powerful isn't only due to Juubi chakra. You are not even reading the manga. They are connected to chakra of the people they are also stealing from, and probably the chakra of the planet. We can't guess how many people have been made into trees yet. So that point is mute.
Keep embarrassing yourself
 
Kayzz said:
At the end of the day, you have no in-verse scan or statement from the manga to lay your argument on. You can quote me with long epistle but your reasoning still ends up baseless.
I have a comparison with Borushiki situation of collecting Naruto's chakra to stabilise Boruto, but in no way did it make Borushiki more powerful.
The 4 Shinju beings getting more powerful isn't only due to Juubi chakra. You are not even reading the manga. They are connected to chakra of the people they are also stealing from, and probably the chakra of the planet. We can't guess how many people have been made into trees yet. So that point is mute.
Keep embarrassing yourself
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NeoKingOfLight said:
Bro, Idc about the agro you have over this. If it was insignificant, it wouldn’t be necessary to go out of his way to do what he did IN PREPARATION for fighting Naruto. Please stop this… “This” is pointless.

Anything you say regarding “why” he did this is speculative based on nothing being stated or implied about Jigen prior, nor did anything Amado said or Isshiki justify his “reasoning” to do it, so spare me. So all of that, “Stamina this and this” or whatever you said earlier is irrelevant speculation that has 0 support aside from being Headcanon.

The only fact that matters here is Isshiki thought it was necessary to do this prior to showing up, so to suggest it is insignificant or irrelevant is plainly disingenuous and I won’t even entertain the argument beyond this unless you can bring something more.

Nothing you said even changes what I said anyways. Karma + Juubi Chakra > Karma Alone.
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Jigen did not take juubi chakra in preparation to fight naruto and sasuke. Ishikki constantly takes parts of juubi chakra to keep the vessel "jigen" going.
You guys argument is mostly pointless coz there is no "Jigen without juubi chakra". Jigen always has juubi chakra, when it is used up ishikki goes back and takes some more
 
At least physically shouldn't Alive Madara be stronger than Edo Madara?

Edo Madara is at best equal to Edo Hashirama who is definitely not as strong as Alive Hashirama, who Alive Madara fought more or less evenly at least when he's not using Sage Mode.
 
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