Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[AnimesFreak2]

Is there a reason that butterfly Choji is rated higher than SM Naruto, Pain, and War Arc Kakashi?

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[MinatoSparkle]

Is there a reason that butterfly Choji is rated higher than SM Naruto, Pain, and War Arc Kakashi?

Tbh it's not crazy cause he did stagger the Gedo Mazo which withstood hits from KCM Naruto and BM Bee (although they did more damage than Choji for sure).

 

[Shining_Cross]

Is Prime Hashirama and EMS Madara scale to God Tiers now? I found this and it makes sense.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Seems 100% legit

 

[Shining_Cross]

Seems 100% legit

So content revision now?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

So content revision now?

You do you my man

 

[karzen]

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[Fastestthingalive50]

Tbh it's not crazy cause he did stagger the Gedo Mazo which withstood hits from KCM Naruto and BM Bee (although they did more damage than Choji for sure).

He did stagger it sure, but Pain and Sage Nard were above everyone in the village, so this is just kinda weird, and should probably be fixed eventually.

 

[Naeblis495]

Pain Attack Arc Choji =/ War Arc Choji

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Pain Attack Arc Choji =/ War Arc Choji

But can such a difference be proven, along with Choza growing?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

But can such a difference be proven, along with Choza growing?

Then just get rid of Choji's Butterfly Mode Multiplier then, since that's the thing you have a problem with.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

He did stagger it sure, but Pain and Sage Nard were above everyone in the village, so this is just kinda weird, and should probably be fixed eventually.

Is there any reason to assume that's pertaining to raw power and not overall ability? Cause we do know that even without giant forms Choji and Chouza could damage the Asura Path, enough that it was out of commission for like a chapter. Also it's kinda implied that Choji got stronger after fighting Asuma, and he does have a statement about having the greatest AP in world at the time and Chouza has a similar statement.

 

[Naeblis495]

But can such a difference be proven

Sure it can : war arc choji have better feats.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

 

[BlastX]

But can such a difference be proven, along with Choza growing?

I know this is a tired response, but this is just incredulity.

And again, it's a whooping x100 boost, Choji just didn't use it in the Pain Arc because he didn't master it or something.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

I know this is a tired response, but this is just incredulity.

And again, it's a whooping x100 boost, Choji just didn't use it in the Pain Arc because he didn't master it or something.

I’m just asking for evidence, or this is gonna be a bit weird. I didn’t know I summoned the Choji defense force.
On a side note, would Sage Naruto sparring with Fukusaku also be an outlier, since Fukusaku is stated to be the strongest toad on Mt. Myoboku, and Gamabunta is listed at 6-C.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Sonic fans turned friendly fire on

 

[BlastX]

I’m just asking for evidence, or this is gonna be a bit weird. I didn’t know I summoned the Choji defense force.
On a side note, would Sage Naruto sparring with Fukusaku also be an outlier, since Fukusaku is stated to be the strongest toad on Mt. Myoboku, and Gamabunta is listed at 6-C.

Again, that was supposed to be taken cared off with Uchiha Slayer CRT before he went MIA, my guess is that Sage Naruto would have become 6-C as well.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I’m just asking for evidence, or this is gonna be a bit weird. I didn’t know I summoned the Choji defense force.
On a side note, would Sage Naruto sparring with Fukusaku also be an outlier, since Fukusaku is stated to be the strongest toad on Mt. Myoboku, and Gamabunta is listed at 6-C.

When was Fukasaku called the strongest toad?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I mean US69 being gone doesn’t mean y’all can’t make the CRTs, we just weren’t gonna send you US69’s drafts since we don’t have his permission

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I mean US69 being gone doesn’t mean y’all can’t make the CRTs, we just weren’t gonna send you US69’s drafts since we don’t have his permission

Whenever I make revisions ppl say wait for the versewide revisions (grumble grumble)

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

When was Fukasaku called the strongest toad?

Databook, stated none surpass him.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Whenever I make revisions ppl say wait for the versewide revisions (grumble grumble)

Tell them no… it’s not like gatekeeping is sanctioned by law here

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Databook, stated none surpass him.

Huh I tried finding a statement like that but couldn't, could you send the scan?

Tell them no… it’s not like gatekeeping is sanctioned by law here

Well...That's fine and dandy but the people who say that are usually the people who can officially approve stuff.

 

[Godernet]

I mean US69 being gone doesn’t mean y’all can’t make the CRTs, we just weren’t gonna send you US69’s drafts since we don’t have his permission

Can I see them I won't use the arguments I promise

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Can I see them I won't use the arguments I promise

No

Huh I tried finding a statement like that but couldn't, could you send the scan?

Well...That's fine and dandy but the people who say that are usually the people who can officially approve stuff.

sucks for them then huh

 

[Deceived3596]

Only a select few are allowed to read US69's sacred text, i'm apart of those select few.

 

[Godernet]

If US69 isn't back from Cambodia by the time the NFL and NBA seasons end I'll try making a less refined Bijuu thread(after I do the Raikage stuff)

unless someone else wanted to do it sooner.

 

[Godernet]

No

If I make the thread work without the sacred texts I want a signed Baseball Cap from US69.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Only a select few are allowed to read US69's sacred text, i'm apart of those select few.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

No



sucks for them then huh

Sucks for everyone

If US69 isn't back from Cambodia by the time the NFL and NBA seasons end I'll try making a less refined Bijuu thread(after I do the Raikage stuff)

unless someone else wanted to do it sooner.

Maybe I'll give it a go at some point, I've expanded my knowledge quite a bit in regards to Kage/Bijuu level characters

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Speaking of Kage level characters, does anyone have thoughts on whether Orochimaru scales to Base or SM Jiraiya? Cause I have heard a lot of arguments for both and I'm kinda leaning towards SM these days.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Speaking of Kage level characters, does anyone have thoughts on whether Orochimaru scales to Base or SM Jiraiya? Cause I have heard a lot of arguments for both and I'm kinda leaning towards SM these days.

If we are talking Prime Oochimaru ( no hashirama cells )

Given how Base Orochimaru~Base Jiraiya

I personally think Yamata No Orochi is around SM Jiraiya level especially given the similar exponential amps in power they gain

Wish we saw Orochimaru use that form at least one more time...like in the war arc against GuruGuru

 

[Godernet]

Speaking of Kage level characters, does anyone have thoughts on whether Orochimaru scales to Base or SM Jiraiya? Cause I have heard a lot of arguments for both and I'm kinda leaning towards SM these days.

Definitely closer to SM but not quite as strong physically.

Part 1 Orochimaru is implied closer to Old Hiruzen before he gets his arms taken.

Part 1 Hiruzen was the strongest of the current 5 Kage in a statement that gets supported by his performance in the war arc. (this means stronger than the 4th Ay, Oonoki, and potentially Bee)

A drugged up Jiraiya was more or less fighting evenly with an Orochimaru that was crippled and with no ability to perform Jutsu.

Base Jiraiya was almost murdered by Kid 4 Tail Naruto. A weakened Orochimaru with no hands could hold his own with teen 4 Tails Naruto.

Also, EMS Sasuke verbatim states that he only recently surpassed Orochimaru and that the version of him that fought Itachi (Hebi Sasuke) only beat him because he was dying. Whether he meant 5 Kage Summit or EMS still puts him in the realm of Sage Naruto.

Orochimaru is annoying to get an exact scale of since he has one fight in Part 1 and is just crippled and vibing until he comes back to full power in the War Arc.

We also gotta remember this mf Orochimaru couldn't weave hand seals for almost the entire series.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Definitely closer to SM but not quite as strong physically.

Part 1 Orochimaru is implied closer to Old Hiruzen before he gets his arms taken.

Part 1 Hiruzen was the strongest of the current 5 Kage in a statement that gets supported by his performance in the war arc. (this means stronger than the 4th Ay, Oonoki, and potentially Bee)

A drugged up Jiraiya was more or less fighting evenly with an Orochimaru that was crippled and with no ability to perform Jutsu.

Base Jiraiya was almost murdered by Kid 4 Tail Naruto. A weakened Orochimaru with no hands could hold his own with teen 4 Tails Naruto.

Also, EMS Sasuke verbatim states that he only recently surpassed Orochimaru and that the version of him that fought Itachi (Hebi Sasuke) only beat him because he was dying. Whether he meant 5 Kage Summit or EMS still puts him in the realm of Sage Naruto.

Orochimaru is annoying to get an exact scale of since he has one fight in Part 1 and is just crippled and vibing until he comes back to full power in the War Arc.

We also gotta remember this mf Orochimaru couldn't weave hand seals for almost the entire series.

Eh bar maybe Onoki the Pre War Arc Gokage=/=War Arc Gokage

Also the Edo Hiruzen we saw in the war was way stronger than his part 1 self...i get he he looked like his old self but that was probably more so due to that's when he died

By some statements and clearly feats he's the closest we ever saw to a hypothetical Prime Hiruzen

 

[Godernet]

Eh bar maybe Onoki the Pre War Arc Gokage=/=War Arc Gokage

Also the Edo Hiruzen we saw in the war was way stronger than his part 1 self...i get he he looked like his old self but that was probably more so due to that's when he died

By some statements and clearly feats he's the closest we ever saw to a hypothetical Prime Hiruzen

I mean we never really saw any of them go all out before the war and Gaara's the only one that really got a chance to grow tbh(who wasn't Kazekage when the statement was made anyways).

The Raikage never went V2 against Sasuke, Oonoki's already an old man, Tsunade hadn't had an actual fight since part 1, and Mei always sucks regardless.

Plus the Kage were actively amping each other during their fight with Madara I don't think they were that much stronger.

Also Edo Hiruzen most likely just fixed Part 1 Hiruzen's biggest flaw which was his stamina. Orochimaru did say the Edo Hokage were brought back "close" to full strength.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

I mean we never really saw any of them go all out before the war and Gaara's the only one that really got a chance to grow tbh(who wasn't Kazekage when the statement was made anyways).

The Raikage never went V2 against Sasuke, Oonoki's already an old man, Tsunade hadn't had an actual fight since part 1, and Mei always sucks regardless.

Plus the Kage were actively amping each other during their fight with Madara I don't think they were that much stronger.

Also Edo Hiruzen most likely just fixed Part 1 Hiruzen's biggest flaw which was his stamina. Orochimaru did say the Edo Hokage were brought back "close" to full strength.

1. Uh, I am pretty sure we did see A go all out and use his V2 state back at the 5 Kage summit...like Karin even comments about how the new transfomation has bumped his chakra up to Bijuu level just from entering it ( Bijuu Mode Killer Bee level ) Old Onoki is actually directly stated to be stronger than his younger self by Madara. Didn't Tsunade fight Pain? Anyways even so she has scaling of being on the same level as Jiraiya and Orochimaru both of whom scale vastly below the levels of power she is comparable to in the War Arc. F Mei...rare W from Kishi with the female design

2. Kages amping each other? Statement please cause I don't remember this tbh

3. The Tobirama statement can also be interpreted for Hiruzen as closer to his prime strength since we know the Perfected Edo Tensei Jutsu supposed to bring you to close to your peak strenght when alive...also as I said his feats in the war outstrip his showings in Part 1

 

[Godernet]

1. Uh, I am pretty sure we did see A go all out and use his V2 state back at the 5 Kage summit...like Karin even comments about how the new transfomation has bumped his chakra up to Bijuu level just from entering it ( Bijuu Mode Killer Bee level )

That was V1 Raikage he never enters his top speed vs Sasuke but I can check again just to be sure.

Old Onoki is actually directly stated to be stronger than his younger self by Madara.

the Statement was made about Hiruzen being stronger than the Gokage (Oonoki included) was in Part 1 only two years before the war. Madara was long dead by Part 1.

Didn't Tsunade fight Pain?

No, She lost most of her chakra shielding the village from catastrophic Shinra Tensei. Before she could get involved Naruto stopped her.

Anyways even so she has scaling of being on the same level as Jiraiya and Orochimaru both of whom scale vastly below the levels of power she is comparable to in the War Arc.

We never see Orochimaru's full power outside of his fight with Hiruzen until the War.

F Mei...rare W from Kishi with the female design

valid lol

2. Kages amping each other? Statement please cause I don't remember this tbh

Oonoki amps Raikage speed with lightened bolder jutsu, Mei, Oonoki, and Gaara mixing jutsu constantly during the fight. Maybe amping isn't the right word but they were showing power through their teamwork far beyond what they'd been showing even earlier in the war.

3. The Tobirama statement can also be interpreted for Hiruzen as closer to his prime strength since we know the Perfected Edo Tensei Jutsu supposed to bring you to close to your peak strenght when alive...also as I said his feats in the war outstrip his showings in Part 1

Where is it said that Perfected Edos are closer to their prime rather than just the strength they had when they died?

 

[BlackeJan]

Only a select few are allowed to read US69's sacred text, i'm apart of those select few.

Lies!

 

[MinatoSparkle]

If we are talking Prime Oochimaru ( no hashirama cells )

Given how Base Orochimaru~Base Jiraiya

I personally think Yamata No Orochi is around SM Jiraiya level especially given the similar exponential amps in power they gain

Wish we saw Orochimaru use that form at least one more time...like in the war arc against GuruGuru

I'm talking about Base Oro~SM Jiraiya.

Definitely closer to SM but not quite as strong physically.

Part 1 Orochimaru is implied closer to Old Hiruzen before he gets his arms taken.

Part 1 Hiruzen was the strongest of the current 5 Kage in a statement that gets supported by his performance in the war arc. (this means stronger than the 4th Ay, Oonoki, and potentially Bee)

A drugged up Jiraiya was more or less fighting evenly with an Orochimaru that was crippled and with no ability to perform Jutsu.

Base Jiraiya was almost murdered by Kid 4 Tail Naruto. A weakened Orochimaru with no hands could hold his own with teen 4 Tails Naruto.

Also, EMS Sasuke verbatim states that he only recently surpassed Orochimaru and that the version of him that fought Itachi (Hebi Sasuke) only beat him because he was dying. Whether he meant 5 Kage Summit or EMS still puts him in the realm of Sage Naruto.

Orochimaru is annoying to get an exact scale of since he has one fight in Part 1 and is just crippled and vibing until he comes back to full power in the War Arc.

Well he's directly stated to be on par with Jiraiya, so he's either relative to Base Jiraiya or SM Jiraiya, can't really be in between.