Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Ped2018]

Jinx>>>>Any female character in Naruto/Boruto though

Not that hard tbh

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Not that hard tbh

True

Jinx>>>Any HST female character as well

I will die on this hill

 

[KingogKings777]

True

Jinx>>>Any HST female character as well

I will die on this hill

True.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

we need to remove female character writing as a point when judging shonen manga, it's made targeting boys naturally they're gonna put less focus on the women, it's like saying Toradora is better at bleach and one piece in romance, while it's true it's not really a gotcha since both stories are trying to hit different targets

 

[Damage3245]

The best criticism that Arcane could get is that it should have been longer tbh. That's far from the worst problem to have.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

we need to remove female character writing as a point when judging shonen manga, it's made targeting boys naturally they're gonna put less focus on the women, it's like saying Toradora is better at bleach and one piece in romance, while it's true it's not really a gotcha since both stories are trying to hit different targets

This is actually a valid point, especially in regards to the side cast. Not so much the main cast tho.
Like, hypothetically, if say Nami, Robin, or Sakura were utter trash (they're def not), I'd say that's fair grounds for criticism since they're major protagonists.
But people who bring up Tenten not having screen time as an issue with Naruto are just dumb because she's not really a character meant to have a ton of relevance or screentime. It's like complaining that Monster Carrot didn't have a lot of relevance in DB

I will say tho, Naruto has an S tier female character, and mfers need to start putting respect on her name.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

It's like complaining that Monster Carrot didn't have a lot of relevance in DB

This most definitely is valid criticism

I will say tho, Naruto has an S tier female character, and mfers need to start putting respect on her name.

COOK BROTHER, YOU ARE SPITTING

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Naruto doesn't clear Arcane because you literally can't clear a 10/10. Best it can hope for is to match it.

Eh, there were too many rushed and underdeveloped things in S2 for the show to really be a 10/10. 9.5/10 sure
Anyways by clear I didn't mean a tier gap, just that Naruto's marginally better

I don't think there's particularly strong proof for this tbh. We were not privy to Obito's inner thoughts at any point during this entire interaction.
So, I just don't see why it has to solely be as you claim, and not a combination of many factors. You say it's a separate thing, and I think it very much isn't.

Which is a logical question to ask lol. Again, if you separate the interaction from the VS-debating brainrot, you'll see that's it's a pretty common question asked in hostile situations/negotiations such as this throughout fiction. Hell, 9/10 it's usually asked by someone in a clearly weak position who's trying not to lose face or appear tough.
Also, keep in mind that Obito has no real reason to be, like, super pressed by the physical threat cause he can literally escape at any moment if need be.

Not saying that Obito would get clapped here or anything, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying I don't come out of these panels with the same conclusion as you (which apparently you don't either, at least not fully? So you can at least understand where I'm coming from, I hope)

It's not a strict contradiction, but it doesn't really bode well for this meta IMO.

For one, Edo Tensei doesn't, like, make you a million times weaker.

Imma be honest, I kinda lost interest in this convo I'll just comment on this one point:

And even then, what makes a lot of these guys super dangerous (especially Itachi and arguably Nagato) is their abilities, not necessarily their physical strength.

Agreed on strength as in brawn, but speed is still necessary for abilities to be used effectively.

My favorite arc in terms of art, 100%.

Valid (also I have no idea why all my images all got cooked )

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Kinda sucks the story ended without Tsunade ending up with someone, I wanted to see her get with someone and be happy too, at least people won't get to try rubbish criticisms that her entire personality is centered around men

 

[LordTracer]

9.5/10 sure

That’s still better than Naruto ngl

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Arcane is an 8-9/10. Naruto is a 9/10. I ain't hating, I love both series to death, I'm just truthing.

 

[KingogKings777]

Arcane is an 8-9/10. Naruto is a 9/10. I ain't hating, I love both series to death, I'm just truthing.

Damn Arc missed for once.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Bro somehow found a way to turn a diss into a meatride

 

[SlendVeny]

we need to remove female character writing as a point when judging shonen manga, it's made targeting boys naturally they're gonna put less focus on the women, it's like saying Toradora is better at bleach and one piece in romance, while it's true it's not really a gotcha since both stories are trying to hit different targets

Ok, but if your expectation is a 0 and you actively supply a -1, that's a problem, lol. Not that I think Kishimoto's done that tho.

 

[SlendVeny]

This is actually a valid point, especially in regards to the side cast. Not so much the main cast tho.
Like, hypothetically, if say Nami, Robin, or Sakura were utter trash (they're def not), I'd say that's fair grounds for criticism since they're major protagonists.
But people who bring up Tenten not having screen time as an issue with Naruto are just dumb because she's not really a character meant to have a ton of relevance or screentime. It's like complaining that Monster Carrot didn't have a lot of relevance in DB

Tenten is Chiaotzu at worst wdym.

I will say tho, Naruto has an S tier female character, and mfers need to start putting respect on her name.

We talk about Tsunade, but when do they drop the Tsunade vs Chiyo vs Hanzo oneshot we all need?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

That’s still better than Naruto ngl

Arcane is an 8-9/10. Naruto is a 9/10. I ain't hating, I love both series to death, I'm just truthing.

(Yes on Naruto~>Arcane tho)

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Ok, but if your expectation is a 0 and you actively supply a -1, that's a problem, lol. Not that I think Kishimoto's done that tho.

you are allowed to make this complaint against Oda and Kubo as they tend to rigorously sexually objectify their female characters from explicit designs to unnecessary gags to the point of being disturbing and sometimes making people uncomfortable, potentially adding to issues with people's self image as I've heard sometimes (Oda straight up begins FC anatomy with two circles )


Kishi leaves out most of this stuff, he's fairly respectful to the girls of his verse, gives them good characterisation, positions of power instead of delgating them to secondary or inferior combat roles behind men, every girl in the verse isn't given massive honkers bigger than the size of onigashima like seen in the other two HST manga, they have their own agencies outside interactions with men regardless of how good you consider it to be, while Tsunade is made to be pretty and a bit fansservicy it never takes away from her being a great character,

I will probably rank oda second as despite almost every girl being nami with a different hair colour, some of them are well done, I wouldn't be too against the opinion that theyd clear naruto fc if anyone wishes to argue that.

As for Bleach? yeah no lol

 

[Ped2018]

I want your takes on this

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I think it's pretty likely they would've both died

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I think it's pretty likely they would've both died

Yeah that's what the reddit post says (if you click on it)...

 

[SlendVeny]

you are allowed to make this complaint against Oda and Kubo as they tend to rigorously sexually objectify their female characters from explicit designs to unnecessary gags to the point of being disturbing and sometimes making people uncomfortable, potentially adding to issues with people's self image as I've heard sometimes (Oda straight up begins FC anatomy with two circles )


Kishi leaves out most of this stuff, he's fairly respectful to the girls of his verse, gives them good characterisation, positions of power instead of delgating them to secondary or inferior combat roles behind men, every girl in the verse isn't given massive honkers bigger than the size of onigashima like seen in the other two HST manga, they have their own agencies outside interactions with men regardless of how good you consider it to be, while Tsunade is made to be pretty and a bit fansservicy it never takes away from her being a great character,

I will probably rank oda second as despite almost every girl being nami with a different hair colour, some of them are well done, I wouldn't be too against the opinion that theyd clear naruto fc if anyone wishes to argue that.

As for Bleach? yeah no lol

Literally how do you have Bleach the worst of the 3??? Kubo makes like, a couple boob jokes and... has Mayuri in the series... but like, that's pretty much it iirc? I guess Yoruichi had a couple odd scenes, but still.

 

[SlendVeny]

I want your takes on this

I agree with the sentiment that they were both gonna die.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Literally how do you have Bleach the worst of the 3??? Kubo makes like, a couple boob jokes and... has Mayuri in the series... but like, that's pretty much it iirc? I guess Yoruichi had a couple odd scenes, but still.

its the most problematic

you see all the reasons why I said kishi good? Bleach does all those problems at the worst levels
orihime being a prime example, overly sexualised and her whole character centers around ichigo


you may argue oda is worse but I've cut him some slack for notgiving robin and nami the trophy LI treatment

 

[Nierre]

unless Arcane S2 was better than S1 (I'm three episodes in and i doubt it, but we'll see how S2 holds up), Naruto clears Arcane IMO and it's not even funny.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yeah that's what the reddit post says (if you click on it)...

I disagree with the title that Sasuke is "way more likely to die"

unless Arcane S2 was better than S1 (I'm three episodes in and i doubt it, but we'll see how S2 holds up), Naruto clears Arcane IMO and it's not even funny.

Yeah even when just S1 was out I had it as 9th place in my top 10 shows ranking compared to Naruto as 2nd/3rd. Whether Arcane stays in my top 10 remains to be seen when I do a full series rewatch

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I disagree with the title that Sasuke is "way more likely to die"

Yeah even when just S1 was out I had it as 9th place in my top 10 shows ranking compared to Naruto as 2nd/3rd. Whether Arcane stays in my top 10 remains to be seen when I do a full series rewatch

based, what's the first two?




I probably have naruto in my T3 too, T5 at worst

T1 and 2 are for Percy Jackson and Transformers

 

[Ped2018]

compared to Naruto as 2nd/3rd

What's your top 1 and 2?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

based, what's the first two?




I probably have naruto in my T3 too, T5 at worst

T1 and 2 are for Percy Jackson and Transformers

What's your top 1 and 2?

Also r u talking specifically about the Percy Jackson show? I've only read the books

 

[KingogKings777]

Yeah even when just S1 was out I had it as 9th place in my top 10 shows ranking compared to Naruto as 2nd/3rd. Whether Arcane stays in my top 10 remains to be seen when I do a full series rewatch

So like have you not watched a lot of shows?

 

[SlendVeny]

 

[KingogKings777]

Also r u talking specifically about the Percy Jackson show? I've only read the books

If they talking about the show... Yikes.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

oof...

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Also r u talking specifically about the Percy Jackson show? I've only read the books

books obv, everything post heroes of olympus book wise is non canon to me including the tv series

 

[KingogKings777]

books obv, everything post heroes of olympus book wise is non canon to me including the tv series

Finally a based ******* take in this thread.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

So like have you not watched a lot of shows?

let him enjoy whatever and rank wherever he wants omg, yall act like geeks whenever naruto gets valued highly

 

[MinatoSparkle]

So like have you not watched a lot of shows?

1.
2. Depends how you define a lot, I've probably watched close to 100

books obv, everything post heroes of olympus book wise is non canon to me including the tv series

I mean I was talking about favourite shows not pieces of fiction but fair enough

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I mean I was talking about favourite shows not pieces of fiction but fair enough

Well I generally assume we mean all fiction if we don't restrict animanga wise

(naruto would be T1 animanga wise and no ive watched/read 200+ of those)

 

[KingogKings777]

let him enjoy whatever and rank wherever he wants omg, yall act like geeks whenever naruto gets valued highly

Nah cause you are objectively wrong if you think Naruto is a top 10 series if you consider all anime and if you consider all media it's a big red flag that you think this basic shit is top 10 worthy.

 

[Deceived3596]

Geek vs Nerd type conversation

 

[AnimesFreak2]

books obv, everything post heroes of olympus book wise is non canon to me including the tv series

Hey don't count out the PJO/KC crossovers