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we need to remove female character writing as a point when judging shonen manga, it's made targeting boys naturally they're gonna put less focus on the women, it's like saying Toradora is better at bleach and one piece in romance, while it's true it's not really a gotcha since both stories are trying to hit different targets
Ok, but if your expectation is a 0 and you actively supply a -1, that's a problem, lol. Not that I think Kishimoto's done that tho.
 
This is actually a valid point, especially in regards to the side cast. Not so much the main cast tho.
Like, hypothetically, if say Nami, Robin, or Sakura were utter trash (they're def not), I'd say that's fair grounds for criticism since they're major protagonists.
But people who bring up Tenten not having screen time as an issue with Naruto are just dumb because she's not really a character meant to have a ton of relevance or screentime. It's like complaining that Monster Carrot didn't have a lot of relevance in DB 💀
Tenten is Chiaotzu at worst wdym.
I will say tho, Naruto has an S tier female character, and mfers need to start putting respect on her name.
We talk about Tsunade, but when do they drop the Tsunade vs Chiyo vs Hanzo oneshot we all need?
 
That’s still better than Naruto ngl
Arcane is an 8-9/10. Naruto is a 9/10. I ain't hating, I love both series to death, I'm just truthing.
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(Yes on Naruto~>Arcane tho)
 
Ok, but if your expectation is a 0 and you actively supply a -1, that's a problem, lol. Not that I think Kishimoto's done that tho.
you are allowed to make this complaint against Oda and Kubo as they tend to rigorously sexually objectify their female characters from explicit designs to unnecessary gags to the point of being disturbing and sometimes making people uncomfortable, potentially adding to issues with people's self image as I've heard sometimes (Oda straight up begins FC anatomy with two circles 💀)


Kishi leaves out most of this stuff, he's fairly respectful to the girls of his verse, gives them good characterisation, positions of power instead of delgating them to secondary or inferior combat roles behind men, every girl in the verse isn't given massive honkers bigger than the size of onigashima like seen in the other two HST manga, they have their own agencies outside interactions with men regardless of how good you consider it to be, while Tsunade is made to be pretty and a bit fansservicy it never takes away from her being a great character,

I will probably rank oda second as despite almost every girl being nami with a different hair colour, some of them are well done, I wouldn't be too against the opinion that theyd clear naruto fc if anyone wishes to argue that.

As for Bleach? yeah no lol
 
you are allowed to make this complaint against Oda and Kubo as they tend to rigorously sexually objectify their female characters from explicit designs to unnecessary gags to the point of being disturbing and sometimes making people uncomfortable, potentially adding to issues with people's self image as I've heard sometimes (Oda straight up begins FC anatomy with two circles 💀)


Kishi leaves out most of this stuff, he's fairly respectful to the girls of his verse, gives them good characterisation, positions of power instead of delgating them to secondary or inferior combat roles behind men, every girl in the verse isn't given massive honkers bigger than the size of onigashima like seen in the other two HST manga, they have their own agencies outside interactions with men regardless of how good you consider it to be, while Tsunade is made to be pretty and a bit fansservicy it never takes away from her being a great character,

I will probably rank oda second as despite almost every girl being nami with a different hair colour, some of them are well done, I wouldn't be too against the opinion that theyd clear naruto fc if anyone wishes to argue that.

As for Bleach? yeah no lol
Literally how do you have Bleach the worst of the 3??? Kubo makes like, a couple boob jokes and... has Mayuri in the series... but like, that's pretty much it iirc? I guess Yoruichi had a couple odd scenes, but still.
 
Literally how do you have Bleach the worst of the 3??? Kubo makes like, a couple boob jokes and... has Mayuri in the series... but like, that's pretty much it iirc? I guess Yoruichi had a couple odd scenes, but still.
its the most problematic

you see all the reasons why I said kishi good? Bleach does all those problems at the worst levels
orihime being a prime example, overly sexualised and her whole character centers around ichigo


you may argue oda is worse but I've cut him some slack for notgiving robin and nami the trophy LI treatment
 
Yeah that's what the reddit post says (if you click on it)...
I disagree with the title that Sasuke is "way more likely to die"
unless Arcane S2 was better than S1 (I'm three episodes in and i doubt it, but we'll see how S2 holds up), Naruto clears Arcane IMO and it's not even funny.
Yeah even when just S1 was out I had it as 9th place in my top 10 shows ranking compared to Naruto as 2nd/3rd. Whether Arcane stays in my top 10 remains to be seen when I do a full series rewatch
 
I disagree with the title that Sasuke is "way more likely to die"

Yeah even when just S1 was out I had it as 9th place in my top 10 shows ranking compared to Naruto as 2nd/3rd. Whether Arcane stays in my top 10 remains to be seen when I do a full series rewatch
based, what's the first two?




I probably have naruto in my T3 too, T5 at worst

T1 and 2 are for Percy Jackson and Transformers
 
So like have you not watched a lot of shows?
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let him enjoy whatever and rank wherever he wants omg, yall act like geeks whenever naruto gets valued highly
 
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let him enjoy whatever and rank wherever he wants omg, yall act like geeks whenever naruto gets valued highly
Nah cause you are objectively wrong if you think Naruto is a top 10 series if you consider all anime and if you consider all media it's a big red flag that you think this basic shit is top 10 worthy.
 
Well I generally assume we mean all fiction if we don't restrict animanga wise

(naruto would be T1 animanga wise and no ive watched/read 200+ of those)
What about all shows
Nah cause you are objectively wrong if you think Naruto is a top 10 series if you consider all anime and if you consider all media it's a big red flag that you think this basic shit is top 10 worthy.
"objective" 🤓
 
Nah cause you are objectively wrong if you think Naruto is a top 10 series if you consider all anime and if you consider all media it's a big red flag that you think this basic shit is top 10 worthy.
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cringe elitist behavior, naruto most certainly is a strong contender and well deserving of T10 placements in people's lists, I can consider all the stuff you rank above naruto to be garbage, what then?

if you don't like it as much as others that's fine but don't show up policing people on what they can & can't appreciate, it's annoying asf
 
Hey don't count out the PJO/KC crossovers
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ofc
someone give rick his balls back so we can get more of those and less of the current stuff
 
I don't really keep a tracking of the shows like that cuz I tend to forget stuff I fw
like I'll say like so and so and completely forget another show that I liked more than the ones previously listed
Fair, that's why I rate/rank things p much immediately when I watch them (though that does have a disadvantage of recency bias)
 
cringe elitist behavior
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naruto most certainly is a strong contender and well deserving of T10 placements in people's lists,
If you consumed other media it's not, you are still stuck on baby's first anime cause of nostalgia blinders. Expand your horizons and consume other media.
I can consider all the stuff you rank above naruto to be garbage, what then?
You would be wrong like you are right now thinking Naruto is a top 10 media in the first place. Cause every metric we have to rate shows it's not even in the top 50, shit it's not even in the top 100 if you look on IMDB or MAL.
if you don't like it as much as others that's fine but don't show up policing people on what they can & can't appreciate, it's annoying asf
It's fine that you think a shiny turd isn't a turd but that doesn't change the fact that it's a turd.
 
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Read what you wrote again and say it's not
If you consumed other media it's not, you are still stuck on baby's first anime cause of nostalgia blinders. Expand your horizons and consume other media.

You would be wrong like you are right now thinking Naruto is a top 10 media in the first. Cause every metric we have to rate shows it's not even in the top 50, shit it's not even in the top 100 if you look on IMDB or MAL.
Ain't NO way you're using IMDB and MAL as arguments 😭
 
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If you consumed other media it's not, you are still stuck on baby's first anime cause of nostalgia blinders. Expand your horizons and consume other media.

You would be wrong like you are right now thinking Naruto is a top 10 media in the first place. Cause every metric we have to rate shows it's not even in the top 50, shit it's not even in the top 100 if you look on IMDB or MAL.

It's fine that you think a shiny turd isn't a turd but that doesn't change the fact that it's a turd.
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