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Naruto Revisions: Continued Again
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@Shrek
I changed it because it wasn't discussed yet. I seem to remember Gai and Kakashi taking hits from Version 2 jinchüriki. I'd check again, but I don't remember the chapter.
If someone can confirm whether or not it happened, it'd be cool.
Also, about Gaara, didn't he fight Madara's wood clones who had Susano'o?
I changed it because it wasn't discussed yet. I seem to remember Gai and Kakashi taking hits from Version 2 jinchüriki. I'd check again, but I don't remember the chapter.
If someone can confirm whether or not it happened, it'd be cool.
Also, about Gaara, didn't he fight Madara's wood clones who had Susano'o?
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@BFF
Nope i dont think they got hit will go check
gaara did indeed fight his clones but his sand was enchanced by Onoki
Nope i dont think they got hit will go check
gaara did indeed fight his clones but his sand was enchanced by Onoki
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@BFF
i reread it Guy and Kakashi got hit once from utakatas V2
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nd i found this
he also managed to hold 4 tails with those chains so should he get High 6-C with chains to his Rinnegan form?
i reread it Guy and Kakashi got hit once from utakatas V2
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nd i found this
he also managed to hold 4 tails with those chains so should he get High 6-C with chains to his Rinnegan form?
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Don't think so, the chains do restrict power.
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It is stated stronger than nagatos gedo powers so its seems they are above chibaku tensei
we should put a note that they restrict power atleast
we should put a note that they restrict power atleast
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Yeah, I'm planning to fix Obito's P & A section.
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Issues that still need to be discussed for general convenience-
Part I Lee becoming 8-B, Upto 8-A with Gates.
6-B BM Naruto/Minato
Low 6-B Hachibi
Atleast 6-A Sage Mode Madara
At least 7-B Itachi
7-B Shisui
6-C Rasenshuriken
7-B Sakura
Removing the energy absorption ratings from pain/nagato's profile since they are now identical to his regular durability.
I had a few new profile ideas.
Some people wanted a profile for Kitsuchi.
After these are discussed Revisions will be finished.
Part I Lee becoming 8-B, Upto 8-A with Gates.
6-B BM Naruto/Minato
Low 6-B Hachibi
Atleast 6-A Sage Mode Madara
At least 7-B Itachi
7-B Shisui
6-C Rasenshuriken
7-B Sakura
Removing the energy absorption ratings from pain/nagato's profile since they are now identical to his regular durability.
I had a few new profile ideas.
Some people wanted a profile for Kitsuchi.
After these are discussed Revisions will be finished.
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Which Itachi? Edo or Susanoo?
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I think he refers to Sussano.
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Being honest right now, Orochimaru shouldn't be "at least 7-B". He should be just 7-B. He was getting borderline destroyed by KCM Naruto. He just barely kept up.
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Orochimaru is 7-B.
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How are people trying to scale Tsunade to "at least", then? She is physically stronger, but weaker in every other area.
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Apparently Shrek believes she should have at least for one-shoting Madara's wood clone.
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I just remembered. Part 1 Gaara should have two keys. One for the Chuunin Exams and another for the Sasuke Recovery arc.
Chuunin Exams Gaara should be City Block level with his sand and unknown physically, while Sasuke Recovery arc Gaara should be Multi-City Block level with his sand and unknown physically.
He never trained in taijutsu until Part 2.
Chuunin Exams Gaara should be City Block level with his sand and unknown physically, while Sasuke Recovery arc Gaara should be Multi-City Block level with his sand and unknown physically.
He never trained in taijutsu until Part 2.
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@Whis
6-B Minato and Low 6-B Bee based on what? The Small Country level result was accepted.
Isn't Itachi already at that level? Anyway, he will have the "at least" once the profiles get updated. It's nothing major.
I'm hoping you mean City level with Susano'o for Shisui? If it's worth noting, he only used it in the game. Though there's no reason he wouldn't have a Susano'o. We just don't know if it's incomplete, complete or perfect. Actually, did the game show this?
The calc is still under evaluation, iirc.
Okay.
Okay.
6-B Minato and Low 6-B Bee based on what? The Small Country level result was accepted.
Isn't Itachi already at that level? Anyway, he will have the "at least" once the profiles get updated. It's nothing major.
I'm hoping you mean City level with Susano'o for Shisui? If it's worth noting, he only used it in the game. Though there's no reason he wouldn't have a Susano'o. We just don't know if it's incomplete, complete or perfect. Actually, did the game show this?
The calc is still under evaluation, iirc.
Okay.
Okay.
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@BFF
7-B sakura is a no
adult sakura can be 7-B but white seal being 7-B is baseless
7-B sakura is a no
adult sakura can be 7-B but white seal being 7-B is baseless
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Mess it up, how?
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@Shrek
Not baseless. Depends on what the others think. I agree with it as it fits with the context of Sakura growing stronger than her master like her teammates did, and the databook apparently claiming she's comparable to KCM Naruto.
You said it's wrong because Hashirama saw Tsunade last as a 10 year old kid, but the implication that Kishimoto wanted the readers to see is there. That Sakura finally surpassed her master, and has grown to be a reliable member of Team 7. And she even achieved a healing feat with Katsuyu that probably surpasses what Tsunade did in Pain's Assault. Healed all the shinobi in the alliance and didn't fall into a coma like Tsunade did.
Byakugou Sakura cannot be as weak as a ten year old Tsunade. That's my opinion.
Not baseless. Depends on what the others think. I agree with it as it fits with the context of Sakura growing stronger than her master like her teammates did, and the databook apparently claiming she's comparable to KCM Naruto.
You said it's wrong because Hashirama saw Tsunade last as a 10 year old kid, but the implication that Kishimoto wanted the readers to see is there. That Sakura finally surpassed her master, and has grown to be a reliable member of Team 7. And she even achieved a healing feat with Katsuyu that probably surpasses what Tsunade did in Pain's Assault. Healed all the shinobi in the alliance and didn't fall into a coma like Tsunade did.
Byakugou Sakura cannot be as weak as a ten year old Tsunade. That's my opinion.
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@Whis
I don't see any problem with it. Can you mention any scaling ramifications it could cause? At least, the City Block level physically should be removed.
I don't see any problem with it. Can you mention any scaling ramifications it could cause? At least, the City Block level physically should be removed.
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@BFF
Hashis didnt remember tsunade as a 10 year old but as younger than 5 probably biologicallay its impposible he knows her beyond age of 10
Kishimoto writes some stupid stuff black zetsu piercing 6 paths madara for example
Tsunade helped her in healing alliance with katsuyu so that is nothing
Tsunade was in base form when she healed konoha and got hit by konoha wide Shinra Tensei
Not saying she is as weak as 10 year old tsunade but her being comparable or superior is baseless and only hashirama statement gives some fire to the argument
Databooks are either all wrong or all good u cant just take part with sakura and ignore Start of shippuden sasuke being superior to all off akatsuki
Hashis didnt remember tsunade as a 10 year old but as younger than 5 probably biologicallay its impposible he knows her beyond age of 10
Kishimoto writes some stupid stuff black zetsu piercing 6 paths madara for example
Tsunade helped her in healing alliance with katsuyu so that is nothing
Tsunade was in base form when she healed konoha and got hit by konoha wide Shinra Tensei
Not saying she is as weak as 10 year old tsunade but her being comparable or superior is baseless and only hashirama statement gives some fire to the argument
Databooks are either all wrong or all good u cant just take part with sakura and ignore Start of shippuden sasuke being superior to all off akatsuki
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@Shrek
All the more reason to go with what Kishimoto was clearly trying to portray to us. Again, the implication is clear.
Obvious PIS? How's it comparable to Sakura's issue? It's not like we're going to disregard everything Kishi writes.
Seem to remember Sakura doing it alone once.
Okay, and wasn't it Katsuyu that actually helped in the Konoha destruction thing? Tsunade didn't tank it alone, iirc.
It's Hashirama's statement that actually brought up the Sakura > Tsunade thing though? Who'd think Teen Sakura's stronger than Tsunade otherwise?
Erm, no. Hebi Sasuke being stronger than Akatsuki is nonsense, and was never implied, shown or proven in any way in the manga. I'm saying Sakura being at least comparable to Tsunade fits in with her being said to be comparable to KCM Naruto, and it doesn't really contradict our current ratings.
All the more reason to go with what Kishimoto was clearly trying to portray to us. Again, the implication is clear.
Obvious PIS? How's it comparable to Sakura's issue? It's not like we're going to disregard everything Kishi writes.
Seem to remember Sakura doing it alone once.
Okay, and wasn't it Katsuyu that actually helped in the Konoha destruction thing? Tsunade didn't tank it alone, iirc.
It's Hashirama's statement that actually brought up the Sakura > Tsunade thing though? Who'd think Teen Sakura's stronger than Tsunade otherwise?
Erm, no. Hebi Sasuke being stronger than Akatsuki is nonsense, and was never implied, shown or proven in any way in the manga. I'm saying Sakura being at least comparable to Tsunade fits in with her being said to be comparable to KCM Naruto, and it doesn't really contradict our current ratings.
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@Bff
Nothing to add
Noting to add
Never happened
Tsunade didnt have katsuyu on herself
yes and its the only reason anyone can argue for sakura>tsunade but its baseless as hashirama simply has no way to know how strong is tsunade beyond the age of 10 as he died before tobirama had his squad he just wanted to revert some hate from sakura as she did borderline nothing till then
Obviously Hebi sasuke is weaker than akatsuki
she stated herself that she is comparable to them which is quite questionable if u ask me
Nothing to add
Noting to add
Never happened
Tsunade didnt have katsuyu on herself
yes and its the only reason anyone can argue for sakura>tsunade but its baseless as hashirama simply has no way to know how strong is tsunade beyond the age of 10 as he died before tobirama had his squad he just wanted to revert some hate from sakura as she did borderline nothing till then
Obviously Hebi sasuke is weaker than akatsuki
she stated herself that she is comparable to them which is quite questionable if u ask me
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@Shrek
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
You could say that he wanted to reduce the hate, but clear implication is clear.
Yeah.
And the databook also said so.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
You could say that he wanted to reduce the hate, but clear implication is clear.
Yeah.
And the databook also said so.
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@BFF
Either whole databook is alright or all is wrong
So either Hebi sasuke scales from pain or no one gets databook scaling
Either whole databook is alright or all is wrong
So either Hebi sasuke scales from pain or no one gets databook scaling
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That's arbitrary, but I have no suggestion apart from possibly 7-B. Maybe we should put her at Unknown.
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Unknown seems ok
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About the databook thing, it has been agreed to be judged on a case-by-case basis.
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When and where i dont remember it being discussed
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Also Julian still hasnt downgraded danzo
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Not sure if you were around back then, but it was as a result of people getting miffed and frustrated that just about every databook statement was immediately dismissed without any consideration, due to statements like Madara's Susano'o having the power to destroy the universe, Temari blowing away a solar system, light speed Haku with his mirrors, etc.
It turned out that the Madara and Temari statements were wrongly translated though. Obviously, not every single entry in the databooks are wrong, so immediately dismissing everything out of hand is biased and nonsensical.
It turned out that the Madara and Temari statements were wrongly translated though. Obviously, not every single entry in the databooks are wrong, so immediately dismissing everything out of hand is biased and nonsensical.
