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Naruto new ability CRT

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Hagoromo:

generally abilities from after his "death":

Immortality types (1 and 5 at the very least type 7): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/623280654964228111/674376896254967860/DB4_HAGOROMO.png

Hagoromo is not truly dead nor alive and Konan says that users of the rinnengan exist outside of life and death, now for people like Pain and Obito this is clearly not the case but it seems you require the power of six paths sgae mode itself, something Hagoromo thus he just now only exists as a spirit:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...ain-qimg-2c01eb88a2f05ef517ace8902c2d6414.png

Dimensional travel for Hags and BFR: Simply he travels from the pure world to the human world to help the Ninja alliance to seal his mother and he is capable of teleporting others to and from different dimensions he simply needed the help of the old Kage because he gave away his chakra to Naruto and Sasuke and even then still had the chakra to summon souls from the pure world to help him. He was also capable of sending the souls of the Kage and the Edo tensei back to the pure world:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678225975875469332/unknown.png

On top of this he has met multiple reincarnates over time:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/623280654964228111/674377583520907295/unknown.png

There is also an argument for time travel due to this but I wont delve too much into it.

Cosmic awareness and Precognition: Back to this scahe is keeping watch over the shinobi and on top of this he foresaw the events that would transpire:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/623280654964228111/674377305241681922/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678225508080680990/unknown.png

Duplication or some sort of multipresence: Hag's was capable of talking to Naruto and Sasuke at the same time, carrying 2 different conversation in each of their mind scapes.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678230079129780224/0671-017.png

Life manipulation: He literally granted Naruto this power, it should be his not to mention that Creation of all things grants creations life which is how he created the bijuu.

Why is his self-sustenance only type 1? he is a ghost... type 2 as well.

Nagato (Pain) is missing a few things:

Astral Projection: Should be self-explanatory.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678233593008488458/unknown.png

dimension Creation: Pain is capable of turning a space into a seperate dimension although its not combat applicable it could be done with prep:

https://i.imgur.com/FoLacCI.png

Limited Death Manipulation: When pain uses an akatsuki member to possess a body after the chakra that has been transferred to the target is used up, the target dies. Likely not combat applicable again without prep. As noted in the scan this also gives weapon creation and likely power mimicry since the weapons can use the same powers of the original.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678235425344716811/unknown.png

He should also get power mimicry from the seals he puts around that copy opponents and creates clones of them to fight.

Weather Manipulation and Extrasensory Perception: via Rain Tiger at Will. He is capable of creating a perpetual rainfall in a large area with the droplets letting him know when people have entered it's AOE and he can also detect their strength using it:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678552281809027072/0367-017.png

Mind based BFR for both SM Naruto and Jiraiya as well as non-combat applicable spatial manip:

The toads exist in a dream realm and the target is dragged into it and stuck with the seals on their hand in a giant water cube.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678238951152156725/dTEwwQc.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678238800476110849/21GM4OH.png

spatial manip: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/623280654964228111/674302272972390400/unknown.png

Orochimaru and Anko:

Death manipulation: Anko learnt it from Orochimaru however it kills the user as well

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678248124409577502/unknown.png

Orochimaru: Mind manipulation: Orochimaru removed the mind control that Sasori used on Kabuto: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678255595672961031/unknown.png


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678255541423964160/unknown.png

Kisame:

Paralysis inducement: via Five hungry sharks as stated it stops the opponent from moving using the current. https://i.imgur.com/I4KfVGO.png

Sasori:

Mind and memory manipulation via Sand Brainwash:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678253497048629276/unknown.png

Sharingan users:

Information analysis: They are capable of looking at the chakra or energy build up and determmining what is coming next (after all its how Kakashi even knew the name of the jutsu being cast by Zabuza), this also means an upgrade to the power mimicry because using it they should be able to copy even things without handseals:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678260333315489792/unknown.png


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678261398857318422/unknown.png

Madara Uchiha:

Limited Telepathy with Black Zetsu.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678540313840713728/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678540220400140308/unknown.png

Resistance to Fire Manipulation: Tanked Amaterasu without caring about it's heat.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678539748154933268/0657-001.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678539849015230504/unknown.png

Practically everyone:

Paralysis inducement: Anyone one who has gone through ninja training should get this, so should users of lightning style as paralysis is a general thing that happens with lighting style.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678247739829780490/unknown.png

Vibration Manipulation for everyone who enhances their weapons with Lightning Release. Scaling from Killer B.

New generation Hidden leaf genin:

Sealing:

They all learnt a sealing jutsu:

https://youtu.be/IsmXQXNZVUE?t=645

Kakashi:

Sealing: He sealed up the cursed seal using his own blood.

Resistance to Sealing in his hokage key, could still act when being sealed by multiple genin.

People with barrier and sealing ninjutsu:

NPI:

well we already know from Konohamaru that typical ninjutsu does not work against Non-corporeals and you would need some special stuff to deal with that, barrier and sealing ninjutsu seems to be capable of working though as also proven by Konohamaru, it appears to be a set type of jutsu capable of countering Non-corporeals. This is further proven in the manga where Dan Kato asks to be held in a barrier before he can use his spirit transformation ability:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678310413296861197/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678314005621899265/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/678312489816948767/0591-006.png

https://66.media.tumblr.com/9f2d0046758bebea798532bd8cc3501b/tumblr_oqf0zhOs7K1urljpmo1_1280.jpg

Toneri:

Cosmic Awareness and Precognition: Toneri could sense the otsutsuki from another dimension away and predict their coming to the Sage's world also a bunch of sayings about Boruto's fate and destiny:

https://streamable.com/157jj

https://streamable.com/58z3a

https://streamable.com/ln7yw
 
This is what Pain actually said.

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I think whenever Pain uses Almighty Push, if the object he's targeting doesn't get forced back, all that force and energy gets built up and it has to go somewhere.
Giving Naruto attack reflection from this seems kinda silly and far reaching imo.
 
I agree with Purgy on the point for Naruto.

I doubt that Kisame's technique counts as paralysis inducment; just that him making strong currents would affect his target's ability to move. That's not the same thing as paralyzing them.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
The list looks good, though "Dimension Creation" looks more like its Pocket Reality Manipulation and/or Spatial Manipulation. Believe that's the term for feats like that. But everything else looks good to me.
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Alright thanks, I was thinking of that tbh, was not sure what the best way to put it was.

@Damage wont forcing someone to stop moving count has paralysis? I guess you are right though due to the way it happens.
 
I guess that would work. Though you should explain in brackets on his profle exactly how it works.
 
Alright I guess this has been accepted I would start making the changes now if there is nothing else of note to be added.
 
That's not type 5 immortality, especially if it's being nit picked for only Hagaromo and not all Rinnegan users as the statement implies.

How can be type 1 if he died of old age did he not?
 
not sure about sealing for genin, it seems to me that it just block the target, since it is not exaplained how it works, the effect should be like limited paralysis, and kakashi should not gain any resistance since he need to stop them to get free from it or just a limited resistance.
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
That's not type 5 immortality, especially if it's being nit picked for only Hagaromo and not all Rinnegan users as the statement implies.
How can be type 1 if he died of old age did he not?
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This is for after his death as I noted. And it is not being nitpicked as he has more evidence specific to himself beyond just that statement. And well literally is still fine after death.
 
Lavtop said:
not sure about sealing for genin, it seems to me that it just block the target, since it is not exaplained how it works, the effect should be like limited paralysis, and kakashi should not gain any resistance since he need to stop them to get free from it or just a limited resistance.
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its a type of sealing and he wont just get limited there were multiple seals and he could still move.
 
@Rocker

After his death? So that means he doesn't have type 5. You're completely removed from death if you have type 5. He's just a ghost.

The statement you're using is referring to all rinnegan users, so yeah it is a nitpick. Konan even goes on to say Nagato.

And he still literally died of old age.
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
@Rocker
After his death? So that means he doesn't have type 5. You're completely removed from death if you have type 5.

The statement you're using is referring to all rinnegan users, so yeah it is a nitpick.

And he still literally died of old age.
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Yes after his death he becomes practically a completely different being that can move to and from the pure world to interact with still living people. Yes he has become completely removed from death at this point.

I am using 3 statements, one talks about all rinnengan users, but the others refer specifically to him.

Yes and he cant die of old age anymore and has continued to stay alive as a non-corporeal being for millennia transmigrating through time. What exactly is your point?
 
Lavtop said:
not sure about sealing for genin, it seems to me that it just block the target, since it is not exaplained how it works, the effect should be like limited paralysis, and kakashi should not gain any resistance since he need to stop them to get free from it or just a limited resistance.
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U must literally never watched Naruto?? That's a sealing jutsu
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
That's not type 5 immortality, especially if it's being nit picked for only Hagaromo and not all Rinnegan users as the statement implies.

How can be type 1 if he died of old age did he not?
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It's not not picking. Hag is just the onyl one who showed it.

Your argument is basically the equivalent of saying that everyone MS user can use Susanno despite not showing it.
 
1. None of the scans you posted above say Hagaromo is some deathless being. Moving to and from the Pure Lands doesn't make you deathless. Obito after he died was able to grant Kakashi power for a moment because of their link.

2. No, you're using 2 statements. One that doesn't say Hagaromo is some deathless being, and another one where Konan says rinnegan users have power of life and death.

3. He's already dead, how is he going to die again? no one ages in the Pure Land as far as I can see. They all look the same as when they died. I don't even see what the other half has to do with type 1 immortality.
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
1. None of the scans you posted above say Hagaromo is some deathless being. Moving to and from the Pure Lands doesn't make you deathless. Obito after he died was able to grant Kakashi power for a moment because of their link.
2. No, you're using 2 statements. One that doesn't say Hagaromo is some deathless being, and another one where Konan says rinnegan users have power of life and death.

3. He's already dead, how is he going to die again? no one ages in the Pure Land as far as I can see. They all look the same as when they died. I don't even see what the other half has to do with type 1 immortality.
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I would do a big reply to this but honestly I dont mind it too much, he would at least get type 7 so I am fine with that.
 
I'm skeptical about a couple

Hagoromo can't ordinarily appear in the real world, he was only able to under very specific circumstances as he said he's only able to appear from Madara's body since Madara merged Ashura and Indra's Chakra essentially creating Hagoromo's, he appeared in Naruto and Sasuke's consciousness the same way Minato appeared in Naruto's. So if it is agreed to give him it, it needs to be specified that it's extremely limited and not combat applicable.

If you're going to give Hagoromo BFR then you should also give Kabuto, Tobirama and Orochimaru BFR since whenever they release Edo Tensei the Souls go back to the pureland aswell but this seems pretty nonsensical, Hagoromo is doing the exact same thing as they did just on another level.

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Purgy said:
I'm skeptical about a couple
Hagoromo can't ordinarily appear in the real world, he was only able to under specific circumstances as he said he's only able to appear from Madara's body since Madara merged Ashura and Indra's Chakra essentially creating Hagoromo's, he appeared in Naruto and Sasuke's consciousness the same way Minato appeared in Naruto's. So if it is agreed to give him it, it needs to be specified that it's extremely limited and not combat applicable.

If you're going to give Hagoromo BFR then you should also give Kabuto and Orochimaru BFR since whenever they release Edo Tensei the Souls go back to the pureland aswell but this seems pretty nonsensical, Hagoromo is doing the exact same thing as they did just on another level.

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1. that is the plan yes.

2. the BFR is different for one it is something he can do due to the fact that he could send Naruto and the others to the human world.

3. Edo tensei were not his creations so no Oro and Kabuto do not get it and he also sent back the souls of the other kage which are not Edos.
 
Rocker1189 said:
Purgy said:
I'm skeptical about a couple
Hagoromo can't ordinarily appear in the real world, he was only able to under specific circumstances as he said he's only able to appear from Madara's body since Madara merged Ashura and Indra's Chakra essentially creating Hagoromo's, he appeared in Naruto and Sasuke's consciousness the same way Minato appeared in Naruto's. So if it is agreed to give him it, it needs to be specified that it's extremely limited and not combat applicable.

If you're going to give Hagoromo BFR then you should also give Kabuto and Orochimaru BFR since whenever they release Edo Tensei the Souls go back to the pureland aswell but this seems pretty nonsensical, Hagoromo is doing the exact same thing as they did just on another level.

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1. that is the plan yes.
2. the BFR is different for one it is something he can do due to the fact that he could send Naruto and the others to the human world.

3. Edo tensei were not his creations so no Oro and Kabuto do not get it and he also sent back the souls of the other kage which are not Edos.
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2. Hagoromo summoned them, the idea of a summon is to bring them to your location, Hagoromo can't just send somebody to the Moon unless he himself is on the Moon. Maybe I'm looking at BFR too bluntly but when I picture BFR I'm imagining sending somebody away from you not bringing them to you.

3. Edo Tensei works by bringing the Souls to the real world and forcing them to stay by putting them in a corpse. If Kabuto or Orochimaru release Edo Tensei the Souls get sent back to the Pure Land. There is really no difference to what Hagoromo did. He brings Souls to the real world and when he's done with the jutsu they go back, literally the exact same as Edo Tensei minus needing a corpse.
 
Another thing, Hagaromo doesn't qualify for Cosmic Awareness. Watching over the shinobi world doesn't mean he can sense and detect things from interstellar range.

The only person this works for is Toneri.
 
Neutral on the T5 now because of the ongoing debate

Agreeing with Purgy about the attack reflection

Everything else I already spoke with rocker about so I obviously agree.
 
Yes. And it has nothing to do with what I said?

Reverse summoning is where a summonable creature instead summons the Human to their location.
 
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