Naruto Mid to High Tiers CRT

[M3X_2.0]

Calculations being used​

Sasuke's Fireball - 334 megatons

Kisame's Water Style - 33.10 megatons

Scaling​

Sasuke's Katon and Kisame's Water Style​

Sasuke’s CS2 Katon was calculated at 7-A (334 megatons). This scales to:

• Konoha Crush Orochimaru (Sasuke was only able to defeat him because he was weakened. Superior to his weakened state)
• Part I Itachi (Superior to Kisame, as he thought Itachi had a chance against Jiraiya while he didn’t. Superior to Orochimaru)
• Hiruzen (While inferior, he could fight with Orochimaru)
• Minato (Implied to be capable of defeating Orochimaru)
• Deidara’s stronger bombs (Can wound CS2 Sasuke)
• Part I Itachi (Stated to be stronger than Orochimaru)
  • Susano’o (Could easily chop off Hydra Orochimaru’s heads)
• Tobi’s durability (Survived Minato’s Rasengan, although he lost an arm in the process)
• Konan (She was capable of mortally wounding Tobi and ripping off his arm)
• Naruto’s Rasenshuriken (Stated to rival, if not surpass Minato in power)
• Guruguru Zetsu (Matched Hiruzen's jutsu with his own)
• Karin’s Adamantine Chains (Destroyed Guruguru’s Buddha Statue)
• Base A (Shattered Guruguru's Mokuton with a punch and fought it with the rest of the Kage for an extended period of time. Took less damage from the Ethereal Transmission Jutsu than base Tsunade)

As he is 10x weaker, CS1 Sasuke would be 7-B (33.4 megatons). The only person this could directly scale to is Sick Itachi, but Kisame’s feat was recalced to 7-B (33.10 megatons), only slightly beneath Sasuke’s. This would scale to:

• Part II Itachi (Fought on par with Kisame before his fight with Sasuke. Clashed with CS1 Sasuke’s Katons, but was ultimately overpowered)
• Hebi Sasuke (Could clash with Sick Itachi and take hits from him. Casually disabled Naruto and Sai at the same time, and could harm Deidara)
• Jiraiya (Kisame wasn’t sure if he could even take him on, even stating that Jiraiya was in an different league from him)
  • Sage Jiraiya (At least times stronger than his base form) - 7-A (331 megatons)
• Weakened Orochimaru (Could stagger KN4 Naruto with a punch. Kept up with a weakened Jiraiya)
• Tsunade (Much stronger than her weakened self from the Search for Tsunade arc)
  • Rusty Tsunade (Could draw blood from a weakened Orochimaru)
• KN4 Naruto (Nearly killed Jiraiya)
• Yamato’s Mokuton (Briefly restrained KN4 Naruto)
• Pain Arc Naruto (Stated to surpass Jiraiya. Restrained Kakashi and clashed evenly with Taka Sasuke)
• Low-End Pain (Overpowered Kakashi and traded blows with Naruto)
• Taka Sasuke (Clashed evenly with a poisoned Naruto while being weakened and drained of chakra himself)
• Killer B (Overpowered Taka Sasuke. He was also capable of piercing Kisame with his Raiton enhanced weapons)
• Suigetsu (Blocked a strike from Killer B that was meant to kill Sasuke)
• Darui (Fought with Suigetsu and pushed Taka Sasuke back with his Suiton)
• Kinkaku and Ginkaku (Fought with Darui)
• Samui (Fought Kinkaku and Ginkaku alongside Darui)
• CS1 Jūgo (Traded blows with Suigetsu)
  • CS2 Jūgo (Ten times stronger than his base) - 7-A (331 megatons)
• Karin (Consistently harmed Suigetsu and helped him restrain Jūgo)
• Tobi (Casually blocked a sword strike from Suigetsu with his bare hands)
• Danzō (Overpowered Karin and harmed Taka Sasuke)
  • Mokuton (Diverted the path of Sasuke’s Susano’o arrow)

Kisame and Itachi’s 30% clones would be 7-B (9.93 megatons), and this would scale to:

• KN0 Naruto (Defeated 30% Itachi with a Rasengan)
• Deidara (Tanked a punch from KN0 Naruto and his bombs can one-shot Gaara, who can harm him)
• Gaara (Crushed Deidara’s arm with his sand)
• Sasori (The Third Kazekage puppet should be stronger than Gaara, and his main body is implied to be stronger. Stated to be stronger than Deidara)
• Sakura (Naruto and Kakashi were frightened by her physical strength. Shattered the Third Kazekage puppet and could damage Sasori himself)

Neji was able to break out of a water prison from one of 30% Kisame’s water clones and later defeat the clones themselves, and water clones are half as strong as the original, if there's only one. Three clones make it 1/3 of the original 30%. This would put Neji at Low 7-B (3.31 megatons).

According to Danzō, Naruto is stronger than his peers, which would therefore make him stronger than Neji, and also put him at Low 7-B (3.31 megatons) in base. This scales to:

• Kakashi (Should be stronger than Naruto, since he could hold him and Sakura off for an extended period of time)
• Chiyo (Traded blows with Naruto)
  • Puppets (Could fight Sasori alongside Sakura) - 7-B (9.93 megatons)
• Hanzō (Fought against Chiyo in her prime)
• Sai (Effortlessly blocked a strike from Naruto, and was also stated to surpass his peers)
• New Era Ino (Fought with Sai)
• Hidan (Traded blows with Kakashi)
• Kakuzu (Fought and even overpowered Kakashi. Could easily take out Naruto’s shadow clones)
• Asuma (Matched Hidan in their fight, and decapitated him. He should also be somewhat comparable to Kakashi, as he is said to be the best close quarters combatant in Konoha)
• Shikamaru’s Shadow Possession (Could restrain Hidan and Kakuzu)
• Yamato (Matched Naruto’s FŪton: Rasengan to make the Typhoon Water Vortex Jutsu)

 

[M3X_2.0]

Note: This was wrote by @LordTracer, I disagree with some stuff but that's it. Let's scale the characters now.

 

[LordTracer]

It isn’t entirely complete but yeah

 

[KingTempest]

Kakashi and those who scale should scale off of Taka Sasuke for fighting him.
Sasuke's justification

drained of chakra himself

He was not drained, his Dojutsu was messed up. He was going blind.
Karin recently healed him back to max right before the battle with Kakashi.
Same reason why he could use a Chidori.

 

[LordTracer]

He was going blind.

He lost his Susano’o, that doesn’t happen just from going blind, as shown by Madara.

Kakashi and those who scale should scale off of Taka Sasuke for fighting him.

All Kakashi did was knock Sasuke back a few times, he never actually harmed him.

 

[KingTempest]

He lost his Susano’o, that doesn’t happen just from going blind, as shown by Madara.

Madara had EMS. He's a completely different scenario
Even Karin says "I healed you", he was fine.

They specifically say it's because of his vision.

All Kakashi did was knock Sasuke back a few times, he never actually harmed him.

Orochimaru never harmed Kn4 Naruto, only knocked him back once, and he's scaling Via the OP.
If Orochimaru scales for inferior feats, Kakashi would scale.

 

[Rocker1189]

tbh I think that should be enough to scale to his non-susanoo form though.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Kakashi was confident about killing Sasuke, maybe we can work with that.

 

[LordTracer]

Orochimaru never harmed Kn4 Naruto, only knocked him back once, and he's scaling Via the OP.

Remember how I said the OP wasn’t finished

 

[M3X_2.0]

Remember how I said the OP wasn’t finished

You could have told me this before, instead of telling someone else to post the thread, since you were watching something.

 

[Rocker1189]

Orochimaru should definitely scale and Kakashi should scale imo.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Orochimaru definitely shouldn't scale because literally right after he threw that punch (which did no damage whatsoever), he was casually ripped in half by Naruto.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh dear, ill be here watching this party!

 

[LordTracer]

Just close the thread for now, it can be reopened when all of the scaling is complete.

 

[KingTempest]

Regardless, I feel very weird scaling Kakashi to 1/10th the likes of Sasuke. He should've been one shot.

He matched Kisame's sharks and Itachi said that Kakashi could hurt Kisame. Kakashi should be stronger.

 

[KingTempest]

Just close the thread for now, it can be reopened when all of the scaling is complete.

Oof, alright. I'll close it

 

[Damage3245]

I'll temporarily close the thread. Let me know when to re-open it.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Kakashi should be stronger.

He will be. Like Tracer said, this scaling is widely outdated at this point, and there's a lot wrong with it.

 

[M3X_2.0]

DON'T CLOSE

 

[KingTempest]

It's open

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This Thread is just a massive OOF.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Ahahahahhahaha, okay this is funny

 

[KingTempest]

Anyways, instead of letting Tracer and M3X struggle on their own, here's my input.

The formula for remaining chakra from clones being split is 1/(n+1).
1 clone is 1/2 the chakra. 2 clones is 1/3rd the chakra. 3 clones is 1/4th the chakra.

And why are we scaling Neji to clones w/ fodder dura?

Zabuza can carry and swing his sword more efficiently with 1 hand than Suigetsu can with 2 hands. He's superior to Suigetsu.
Kakashi, Hidan, Kakuzu, Asuma, all of them scale from Suigetsu. Sasuke's team isn't that much stronger than everybody.

Base Naruto and Low End Pain scale to Kakashi and Sasuke. Pain never overpowered Kakashi, Kakashi tanked his attacks.

 

[LordTracer]

And why are we scaling Neji to clones w/ fodder dura?

Neji broke out of a water prison as well, and the water clones having fodder durability is unsupported. In fact, in Part I, Haku considered it impressive that Sasuke could take out Zabuza’s water clones and specifically mentioned how the clones were 1/10 as strong as the original Zabuza. If they had fodder tier durability, their strength being that high would be irrelevant.

Zabuza can carry and swing his sword more efficiently with 1 hand than Suigetsu can with 2 hands. He's superior to Suigetsu.

That’s blatantly lifting strength, not AP.

 

[KingTempest]

Neji broke out of a water prison as well, and the water clones having fodder durability is unsupported. In fact, in Part I, Haku considered it impressive that Sasuke could take out Zabuza’s water clones and specifically mentioned how the clones were 1/10 as strong as the original Zabuza. If they had fodder tier durability, their strength being that high would be irrelevant.

Zabuza flat out says "Well! My water clones were obviously no match for you!"

But if we want to scale like that, it's fair, but it'll be 1/4th instead of 1/3rd

That’s blatantly lifting strength, not AP.

The lifting strength of the user of Kubikiribōchō is directly proportional to the AP of it.

If someone can't pick the sword up, they won't be able to attack with it.
If you can swing the sword harder, you'd have more AP with it.
I can't have more AP than you with a kunai if I can't throw it harder than you, same if I swing a sword.

Suigetsu could barely do what Zabuza does casually. Zabuza is for sure superior.

 

[LordTracer]

Zabuza flat out says "Well! My water clones were obviously no match for you!"

Yeah, but he said that after Sasuke killed them/overcame their durability.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Zabuza flat out says "Well! My water clones were obviously no match for you!"

But if we want to scale like that, it's fair, but it'll be 1/4th instead of 1/3rd

The lifting strength of the user of Kubikiribōchō is directly proportional to the AP of it.

If someone can't pick the sword up, they won't be able to attack with it.
If you can swing the sword harder, you'd have more AP with it.
I can't have more AP than you with a kunai if I can't throw it harder than you, same if I swing a sword.

Suigetsu could barely do what Zabuza does casually. Zabuza is for sure superior.

Show me Zabuza fighting Killer B and blocking an attack from him that had intent to kill Taka Sasuke and maybe I'll even consider Zabuza being remotely comparable to Suigetsu.

 

[LordTracer]

Suigetsu could barely do what Zabuza does casually. Zabuza is for sure superior.

I don’t necessarily disagree, I just find the logic somewhat iffy.

Btw Kakashi scaling to 100% Kisame is also extremely ehhhhhhhhh, because Guy, who is >= to him, was overpowered by 30% Kisame. On top of that, 30% Itachi (who is comparable to 30% Kisame) effortlessly blocked Kakashi’s punch, and Kakashi thought he needed help from Naruto against him. And Kisame was casual in Part I iirc.

Like, Guy and Kakashi can be 7-B, but they should downscale from 30% Kisame, not scale to 100%.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Where does the Sound 4 scale? I’m fine with Kakashi, Zabuza, and Guy scaling below 30% Kisame, though.

 

[RanaProGamer]

A Naruto CRT?

 

[Rocker1189]

A Naruto CRT?

I like your optimism lol.

 

[LordTracer]

Where does the Sound 4 scale? I’m fine with Kakashi, Zabuza, and Guy scaling below 30% Kisame, though.

This isn’t about Part I, the Sound Four will be saved for later.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

This isn’t about Part I, the Sound Four will be saved for later.

Ah, sorry.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Now that I see how awful is this scaling. it can be closed.

Samui above Kakashi.
Suigetsu above Kakashi.
Karin above Kakashi.
Low end Pain above Kakashi.

 

[KingTempest]

Show me Zabuza fighting Killer B and blocking an attack from him that had intent to kill Taka Sasuke and maybe I'll even consider Zabuza comparable to Suigetsu.

Show me Zabuza struggling to lift and swing the weapon that Suigetsu needs to amp himself to carry and maybe I'll consider Suigetsu superior.

Zabuza matched Kakashi who matched Kisame who's superior to Suigetsu.
Zabuza walks around with the meat cleaver Suigetsu needs help to carry.

Zabuza's not weak.

I don’t necessarily disagree, I just find the logic somewhat iffy.

Btw Kakashi scaling to 100% Kisame is also extremely ehhhhhhhhh, because Guy, who is >= to him, was overpowered by 30% Kisame. On top of that, 30% Itachi (who is comparable to 30% Kisame) effortlessly blocked Kakashi’s punch, and Kakashi thought he needed help from Naruto against him. And Kisame was casual in Part I iirc.

Guy didn't get overpowered. He fought him for a long amount of time, even managing to rip his sword from him, then got hit with a haymaker in his ribs. Large durability gaps in Naruto can get closed by the stupidest things, which is why Kid Naruto could draw blood from Zabuza with the side of a kunai

Kisame wasn't casual either, idk where that's from. The only one I'd argue to be casual is Itachi, which is why I'm not scaling Kurenai to him for taking his kick.

Like, Guy and Kakashi can be 7-B, but they should downscale from 30% Kisame, not scale to 100%.

Maybe the 30% is an outlier, since base Kakashi can fight full Kisame via Itachi's statement. Or maybe the 30% off of the jutsu is an issue.

Asuma should also scale to Kisame for blocking his attack and drawing blood from him, fighting him for a good amount of time.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Now that I see how awful is this scaling. it can be closed.

Samui above Kakashi.
Suigetsu above Kakashi.
Karin above Kakashi.
Low end Pain above Kakashi.

I mean do we need to close it? We can just discuss how to improve the scaling and add it to the OP.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I mean do we need to close it?

Yes.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yes.

No.

 

[KingTempest]

Now that I see how awful is this scaling. it can be closed.

Samui above Kakashi.
Suigetsu above Kakashi.
Karin above Kakashi.
Low end Pain above Kakashi.

Yes.

Requested by the OP to be closed