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Nanatsu no Taizai Discussion Thread 15
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GoddessOfWinterr- said:
well ludo despite being beaten couple pages back, he literaly came down after seeing tarmiel and sariel being beaten taking them down himself. Which implies he merely let his guard down and was over confident. He literally took their attacks like it was nothing.
so it literally shows he was holding back at that point and was about to go all out and 2v1 them if he needed to until elizabeth interfered.
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"he literally took their attacks like it was nothing"
So are we gonna ignore the fact that he was bleeding from the nose? And demanded help fram Tarmiel and Sariel? With how much Ludociel hates Demons, I find it hard to imagine he'd hold back against them. If Ludociel was so confident his full power could defeat them, why would he need the help of two much weaker Graces?
I think it's more likely he was gonna use some tricks he had up his sleeve. But didn't need to resort to that.
So are we gonna ignore the fact that he was bleeding from the nose? And demanded help fram Tarmiel and Sariel? With how much Ludociel hates Demons, I find it hard to imagine he'd hold back against them. If Ludociel was so confident his full power could defeat them, why would he need the help of two much weaker Graces?
I think it's more likely he was gonna use some tricks he had up his sleeve. But didn't need to resort to that.
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The goddesses are like glass canons with great healing power. Remember that Tarmiel and Sariel easily recover from Indura Monspeet and Estarossa 2 and 3 commandments while Tarmiel was suffering lots of punches by DerieriVersusJunkie54 said:
Derieri attacks Tarmiel
Tarmiel easily recovers
. Elizabeth was knocked out by a punch of Derieri and yet, she is stronger than even her Indura.
Elizabeth is knocked out
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Being a glass cannon may be true for some goddesses, but certainly not all.
<Inb4 a new user attempts to scale Galand to Tarmiel again...
<Inb4 a new user attempts to scale Galand to Tarmiel again...
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I suggest you do not try to climb or use ancient feats for the Gods.
Ludoshel could not keep up with the Induras but held his against Sinner, which does not make sense.
Samiel and Tarmiel were not very good against the 10c but were fighting against a Estarossa who took commandments.
In addition to that many characters have bizarre upgrades besides Ludoshel. Merlin for example failed to keep up with Galan but was gabbling against The Old Masters of the Demons.
Ludoshel could not keep up with the Induras but held his against Sinner, which does not make sense.
Samiel and Tarmiel were not very good against the 10c but were fighting against a Estarossa who took commandments.
In addition to that many characters have bizarre upgrades besides Ludoshel. Merlin for example failed to keep up with Galan but was gabbling against The Old Masters of the Demons.
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I don't intend to use Galand's feat to count Tarmiel's feat since Tarmiel's can turn his body into water that no physical attack can harm him. Just in my opinion, magic user in nanatsu no taizai is like a glass canon(example: Merlin, King, Elizabeth,etc) while physic one is true power since practicing physical strength can enhance durability while magic cannot.VersusJunkie54 said:
Due to that feat, almost demons are not the glass canon since their Regenerationn is based on their physical status while the goddesses' healing magic called invigorate is magic so they are kind of glass canon.
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In the case of Ludoshel, I have 2 opinion:Muuuuh said:
1/ He can single handed defeat the induras but he doesn't want to do that because he's afraid that Meliodas will betray them and kill all the goddesses so he has to store his mana to fight him if necessary(He is said to be comparable to Meliodas and Elizabeth while Meliodas is the strongest warrior of the demon clan). In this case: Mael>=Meliodas>=Elizabeth>=Ludoshel>Sinner>Induras>Zeldris
2/ Indura>Sinner.
Sariel and Tarmiel likely looked down on the Ten Commandments, they actually didn't use the true potential of their grace in battle.
Merlin's power is like a hax, it can continually spam the magical spell. And Merlin's magic is actually pretty low until now just more than 4,000 but because of her hax, she could continue spamming her spells. In the fight with Galand, maybe she didn't find his weakness so she cannot beat him while in a fight with the high ranking demons, she had lots of time to find their weakness and spam reducing their resistence and casting spells. It like she needs time to use her hax.
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I think a lesson that writers can learn from NNT is no not use PL's for powerscaling in verse
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My interpretation for Merlin and the Masters is that she had started to use her hax on them from the start of the fight. Merlin doesn't have high stats, but she outhaxes her opponent with spells if they allow her.
Sariel and Tarmiel likely did not use their full abilities either. They appear cocky the whole battle. The true extent of their Graces came out against Estarossa.
I also don't think PL's are a bad concept, Nakaba's problem was that he continuously retconned characters to be stronger which changed earlier showings for scaling.
Sariel and Tarmiel likely did not use their full abilities either. They appear cocky the whole battle. The true extent of their Graces came out against Estarossa.
I also don't think PL's are a bad concept, Nakaba's problem was that he continuously retconned characters to be stronger which changed earlier showings for scaling.
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I totally agree with you. That's what I meant too but sorry, my english is abit bad so I cannot tell all of that.GalaxianAegis said:
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Okay so i guess escanor damaged meliodas and made him bleed but do we say escanor is stronger?? Youre committing this false dilemma where youre arguing another's to justify your own. That being said that specific panel proves ludo was not serious at all.VersusJunkie54 said:
Wdym by tricks? If u meant by tricks where he gets serious then yes he does but any abilities?? Nope. That being said ludo in that fight did not go all out and implications proves it.
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Debate is weird. Ludo could do no damage and he gets heavily wounded by their attacks and slower than them. Aka stomp. Also saying Elizabeth over indura sounds like trolling. She couldnt handle a punch from deri base, she's not anywhere near indura. She used some weird counter magic against them and in the end she needed assistance
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Wrong. That was Elizabeth before she fully awakened into her Goddess form....GoddessOfWinterr- said:
I don't know why people are so shocked that Goddess Elizabeth is as strong as she is. She's the daughter of the SD.
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And? She's hasn't done anything and was only compared to reuduciel who was fodder to them. And reuduciel > liz.
Random hype doesn't count
Random hype doesn't count
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Well she ain't above Indura. That's like saying she is above assault mel. Which she isn't even above reuduciel. All she has is hype of being on his level. Because he is actually combat based and has feats he is aboveGelan06 said:
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Do you not pay attention? The Elizabeth who destroyed Dereri's hand was before her full memories awakened and that was when her ark was much weaker.GoddessOfWinterr- said:
The only one "Trolling" here is you. Just a heads up. Actually look back and back up what you're saying before making yourself look like an idiot.
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Okay so i guess escanor damaged meliodas and made him bleed but do we say escanor is stronger?? Youre committing this false dilemma where youre arguing another's to justify your own. That being said that specific panel proves ludo was not serious at all.
Wdym by tricks? If u meant by tricks where he gets serious then yes he does but any abilities?? Nope. That being said ludo in that fight did not go all out and implications proves it.
No no no no no no no no no no no!
Y'all shall all know reuduciel by now. Even if his opponent is clearly stronger he is still cocky.
He know how Zeldris with nebula is superior to him and guess what he said? "And what of it?"
Wdym by tricks? If u meant by tricks where he gets serious then yes he does but any abilities?? Nope. That being said ludo in that fight did not go all out and implications proves it.
No no no no no no no no no no no!
Y'all shall all know reuduciel by now. Even if his opponent is clearly stronger he is still cocky.
- sees indura* and what of it?
- gets stomped and in every way and needs assistance*
He know how Zeldris with nebula is superior to him and guess what he said? "And what of it?"
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goddess , its what he said after he got destroyed " i ludo shall also then.... " then liz stepped in.. i know he was weaker than them thats obv but he was gonna go all out , tbh him vs sinner is him using his true power tho funny enough he didnt even use flash in his true body vs them yet
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anyways... any guesses on whats gonna happen? i feel sinners gonna defuse then chanlder/cusack will use indura (cuz why forshadow it and not use it) then it would be induras vs sins... ludo calls on sariel and tarmeil from the other side gets their graces and gives them to liz... then its SD liz vs DK meliodas
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Sounds more like resolve and pride
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Why would Ludociel even be holding back against Demons? The very first time he's introduced in the manga, it's made clear how much he hates them. Sure he may be arogant, but he doesn't seem like the type to hold back against something he hates so much
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Even if he was holding back he is still no where near the same level. Him saying what he said doesn't mean anything to me because you of how cocky and how much resolve he has. Look at what he said after Merlin said Zeldris surpasses light. He got desperate and was seemingly going all out even tho he was still clearly weaker
@versus not necessarily. He held back on Zeldris first encounter. "Heed that well, for that was but a greeting. And when late used flash on him and kinda said the same thing
@versus not necessarily. He held back on Zeldris first encounter. "Heed that well, for that was but a greeting. And when late used flash on him and kinda said the same thing
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" Look at what he said after Merlin said Zeldris surpasses light "
When Zeldris used Ominous Nebula? That was Ludoshiel and he thought that, he didn't say it out loud.
When Zeldris used Ominous Nebula? That was Ludoshiel and he thought that, he didn't say it out loud.
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Some pics from the next chapter : https://imgur.com/a/EB1e8N1
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Demon King Meliodas looks cool, I'll make a render when the chapter comes out
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Yeah, from the looks of it the original Demon King has taken over Meliodas' body via the 10 Commandments, and the key to beating him will probably be to re-combine Meldioas' emotions with his body.
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Looks like so. However it could be that they are simply saying that he is as powerful as the DK or something like that in that image.
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So we'll likely have everyone including Emotion Meliodas vs Demon King, this has to be the final battle
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Wait isn't Meliodas supposed to be too powerful to stay in the real world?
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ALL I ask for is the supreme diety ever show up and not just a flashback
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ikr i also want her to show up.
