Namor Rework (Revision Project)

[The_Impress]

For the record I don't think people would care much for this thread, oh well.

Namor's side of the verse is honestly, really crappily represented on the wiki, so this is a Revision Project thread to garner attention to these issues, and thus result in a revision project that'll fix him up for good

Files to Revise:

• Namor (Marvel Comics): Namor is actually a variable tier for those who don't know, with his power level dependent on his hydration, and (I think) his anger. So work should be done to represent this, and who knows, this may yield an upgrade
• Tiger Shark (Marvel Comics): This I swear, is missing keys, Tiger Shark has went through, at least, a great visual change in recent years.

Files to Make:

• Namora
• Namorita
• Atlantis (Civilization Page)
• Gigantors
• Krang
• King Attuma
• Golden Age files

 

[The_Impress]

@Antvasima If possible can you garner support for this :v

 

[DaReaperMan]

The profiles are amazing as is though! I'll watch in the mean time

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure if it is a good idea to create lots of new profile pages for comparatively less prominent Marvel characters before we have the current ones in order.

Anyway, I will ask for input.

 

[Antvasima]

@Zensum @C2_of_Omegon @Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepme @Newendigo @Ehnkr2beboh @Tllmbrg @Elizio33 @LordTracer @Confluctor

What do you think about this?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This looks good to me.

 

[The_Impress]

I mean... Namor's verse wide isn't what I would call less prominent, he is the oldest comic character to have had continuous runs up until modern day. Historically he is very important, even.

Plus I think alot of muddling we have for High 6-C/4-B tier comes from Namor, who as said, has some power-variability mechanics missing from his page, so I feel nulling that inconsistency is important

 

[Confluctor]

I agreed with varied tier Namor.

As for pages, I can work on Namoria first. I can start working on it somewhen this week.

 

[Newendigo]

I'm going to be working on another CRT so I won't be handling this.

Sorry.

 

[LordTracer]

Unfortunately I’m also working on a very major CRT for another verse, so I won’t be able to help out here.

 

[Eficiente]

I have this bit to apport for Namor from old research.

 

[The_Impress]

Thanks, I'll check it by tomorrow

 

[Qawsedf234]

What do you think about this?

I guess its fine, but I'm not particularly good with Namor.

 

[The_Impress]

I have this bit to apport for Namor from old research.

Can you provide the exact scans if it's fine?

The Electricity Absorption and Projection is correct btw

 

[Antvasima]

Shouldn't we finish with the revision project for the already existing 4-B character profile pages before we start to create new ones for comparatively obscure characters with a limited number of appearances?

 

[Confluctor]

What more needs to be done about the 4bs?


An Adam Warlock, Magus and Thanos revision is something I have planned, they need serious help. But that's for later

 

[Antvasima]

I thought that we were supposed to write an explanation footnote text regarding their High 6-C statistics, and then add it to all of them.

 

[Confluctor]

I think Hellbeast is working on that

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

Have you written a footnote that we can add to the 4-B Marvel pages yet @Hellbeast ?

 

[Hellbeast]

This mostly seems good, I'm vaguely suspecting Aquaman might work the same but that's for a different thread

Have you written a footnote that we can add to the 4-B Marvel pages yet @Hellbeast ?

Note: Do not attempt to use the High 6-C statistics for (X Character), these are for indexing purposes and subject for revisions in the near future

Sorry, just been going through something rn (hope it's good)

 

[Antvasima]

I was thinking more of an actual explanation note regarding why we placed their statistics at High 6-C, combined with instructions when to scale from 4-B and when from High 6-C, or something like that.

 

[Antvasima]

We should continue that discussion here though:

https://vsbattles.com/threads/marvel-upgrades.122001/page-2

 

[Hellbeast]

I was thinking more of an actual explanation note regarding why we placed their statistics at High 6-C, combined with instructions when to scale from 4-B and when from High 6-C, or something like that.

Wasn’t that subject to change because of the debate about how we scale Hign 6-C?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not remember so well. Please elaborate.

 

[Hellbeast]

I recall AKM suggesting changes to the High 6-C scaling so idk if that’s be affected

 

[The_Impress]

What changes :v

 

[Hellbeast]

Wasn’t there a whole convo about the High 6-C being removed and we just scale people on a case by case basis based on certain feats during the fight?

 

[Antvasima]

We should continue that discussion in the thread linked below, and continue to talk about Namor here.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/marvel-upgrades.122001/post-4055575

 

[Hellbeast]

Good idea

Either way this looks good, though I have to question what we’d use for Namor out of water and in water

 

[The_Impress]

...that's the entire point, help find stuff.

It can just end up an irrelevant difference lol, though once instance I remember was like, Namor matching Ares in the ocean while he couldn't on land.

 

[Firestorm808]

How many comic appearances are we working with?

 

[The_Impress]

The profiles? Between 60 to 200 issues per character.

Namor himself? 1.5k, but I expect us working on his supporting cast while keeping an eye on Namor himself, should be enough.

 

[Hellbeast]

...that's the entire point, help find stuff.

I'm aware, I was curious if you had anything Zark

It can just end up an irrelevant difference lol, though once instance I remember was like, Namor matching Ares in the ocean while he couldn't on land.

Hmm that does seem to imply Large Island, likely higher when he's hydrated (Likely higher accounting for the possibility Ares might have better stuff)

 

[The_Impress]

It's I think, in Venus' debut issues (modern age)

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to everybody who are helping out here.

 

[The_Impress]

Namor is notably far stronger in water to the point of overpowering Hercules, when he blatantly couldn't before. Note the half likely isn't literal (and Cosmic Cube likely isn't a factor here).

Feat comes from Avengers Vol 1 40.

 

[Eficiente]

"Yet I can sense that his strength is but half of what it was on land!" Shouldn't be more? Why is it less?

Namor amped by water/with his true power being 4-B doesn't seem to be a contradiction from what I saw from early FF issues.

 

[The_Impress]

As said I don't think the half is necessarily literal :v

 

[Everywhereman]

"Yet I can sense that his strength is but half of what it was on land!" Shouldn't be more? Why is it less?

Namor amped by water/with his true power being 4-B doesn't seem to be a contradiction from what I saw from early FF issues.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that line is Namor talking about Hercules no?

 

[The_Impress]

Nah, it's Hercules' thought bubble about Namor