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Alright, this is the start of the Vigilantes revisions. I want to start with something very simple, before moving on to the Tiers or Ratings.
The first thing I want to bring up in this thread is how we'll structure the profiles, and their power and abilities. I'd like to come to an agreement on how we label profiles and their keys before anything else. After that I'll bring up the stat changes and new scaling. But first let's focus on the structures of the profiles, since I am having some problems. And I don't want to have both of those discussions going on at once. That'd be confusing and hard to follow with multiple topics.
Sandbox is here and here. In the second sandbox, I also changed Mirko's structure in her current key as well. As I believe that would be more accurate to reflect her strength and durability. Also I changed that minor Mind Manipulation Number 6 and O'Clock had with Overclock to Social Influencing, since that seems to be what it is to me.
Obviously I'm open to suggestions. Honestly I had a lot of trouble with Number 6 profile especially, since his different forms are a pain to label and I didn't want to make them all a new key. Also should we assume Destruction Style has all of his abilities from before? Since he never uses any of his previous abilities, and is just a giant punching man.
How should his profile be structured, and how to handle his multiple forms. Koichi's keys go from his first chapter appearance to the sky egg incident, basically his first year as the Crawler. His second key takes place after the two year timeskip and the Bee Pop Step stuff, and his last key is during/after the Naruhata War.
If you know of a better way to change his profile, or any of the profiles I listed above, don't hesitant to bring it up. Or am I missing any abilities they should have.
Note: I'll edit the OP and post the scaling/stat changes here, when the above is done.Unless this ends up going on longer than I expected.
Edit: Now that this is over, we can move onto to the scaling/ratings. Now we have multiple choices in front of us. Currently the Vigilantes cast is 8-C, they're scaling above the results Aizawa scales to when he was still a student. Since he is likely much stronger than he was back then, 8-C is kind of a low ball in all honesty.
But we can also keep this rating as is, though we have a problem when it comes to speed. If we agree with this, we'll need to find some kind of speed rating for them. Since without any main series scaling, they have no speed feats for themselves. This speed calc is now a bust, since I cannot prove Number 6 made all of this actions before the first bullet hit the officer. There could also be a problem with the bullet speed as well, but I'm not certain.
Also if 8-C is the accepted choice. Number 6's Destruction Style has a 8-C+ calc we can use, though it only scales to Naruhata War Arc Koichi's Quirk. Since he can blow away a punch from Destruction Style with his Knuckle Style.
TL;DR: We can scale them all to High 8-C, via Tensei and the Bat Villain. (Speed is still undetermined in this instant). Or we can scale them to Aizawa, who shouldn't be weaker than Shinso. At least 8-C, possibly High 8-C. (This gives them Hypersonic reaction and combat speed)
Leave them as they are currently, and keep them scaling above student Aizawa who is 8-C. (We'll need to look up some speed feats)
If someone has any other ideas for scaling, than please feel free to inform us.
The first thing I want to bring up in this thread is how we'll structure the profiles, and their power and abilities. I'd like to come to an agreement on how we label profiles and their keys before anything else. After that I'll bring up the stat changes and new scaling. But first let's focus on the structures of the profiles, since I am having some problems. And I don't want to have both of those discussions going on at once. That'd be confusing and hard to follow with multiple topics.
Sandbox is here and here. In the second sandbox, I also changed Mirko's structure in her current key as well. As I believe that would be more accurate to reflect her strength and durability. Also I changed that minor Mind Manipulation Number 6 and O'Clock had with Overclock to Social Influencing, since that seems to be what it is to me.
Obviously I'm open to suggestions. Honestly I had a lot of trouble with Number 6 profile especially, since his different forms are a pain to label and I didn't want to make them all a new key. Also should we assume Destruction Style has all of his abilities from before? Since he never uses any of his previous abilities, and is just a giant punching man.
How should his profile be structured, and how to handle his multiple forms. Koichi's keys go from his first chapter appearance to the sky egg incident, basically his first year as the Crawler. His second key takes place after the two year timeskip and the Bee Pop Step stuff, and his last key is during/after the Naruhata War.
If you know of a better way to change his profile, or any of the profiles I listed above, don't hesitant to bring it up. Or am I missing any abilities they should have.
Note: I'll edit the OP and post the scaling/stat changes here, when the above is done.
Edit: Now that this is over, we can move onto to the scaling/ratings. Now we have multiple choices in front of us. Currently the Vigilantes cast is 8-C, they're scaling above the results Aizawa scales to when he was still a student. Since he is likely much stronger than he was back then, 8-C is kind of a low ball in all honesty.
But we can also keep this rating as is, though we have a problem when it comes to speed. If we agree with this, we'll need to find some kind of speed rating for them. Since without any main series scaling, they have no speed feats for themselves. This speed calc is now a bust, since I cannot prove Number 6 made all of this actions before the first bullet hit the officer. There could also be a problem with the bullet speed as well, but I'm not certain.
Also if 8-C is the accepted choice. Number 6's Destruction Style has a 8-C+ calc we can use, though it only scales to Naruhata War Arc Koichi's Quirk. Since he can blow away a punch from Destruction Style with his Knuckle Style.
Now since the 8-C calc is indeed a low-ball, I think scaling higher than that shouldn't be absurd. Since they are stronger than 8-C.
I believe there is a chance they can scale to High 8-C (5.13 Tons). In this case, we have Tensei Iida. He is going to be where some of the scaling comes from. Tensei should very well be superior to his little brother Iida in the beginning of the series. As both of them undergo the same training and have almost identical Quirks.
Iida is probably even trained by Tensei in all likelihood. Biggest point for this scaling is Joint Training Arc Iida being ready for a tune up. While U.A. Beginning Saga Iida wasn't ready, all while Tensei has already had his tune up some time ago. Clearly Tensei is superior to Iida, so his rating should scale above him.
Because of this we can scale the Bat Villain to High 8-C for harming Tensei with his attack. Even if we say the crash is what mainly hurt Tensei. The Bat Villain is moving at the same speed as him, if not faster, and also crashes as well (Into KD's fist). Meaning they have comparable durability. And Knuckleduster would scale for not only hurting him, but taking that impact to his fist.
Yes this does mean that Aizawa and anyone who scales to him would also be High 8-C as well.
Also I believe O'Clock shouldn't be any weaker than when he becomes Knuckleduster, agree or disagree?
Now I'll say that Koichi in his last key and Number 6 Destruction Style upscale to Large Building level+. Number 6 knuckle bombs are something he states can kill Koichi in one hit. And a indirect hit did some good damage on Knuckleduster. Destruction Style is much stronger than that, and AFO said Koichi wouldn't leave a trace of his body behind when he believed Number 6 had landed this punch on him.
The High 8-C value is 5.13 Tons. Upscaling to 6.5 Tons is only 1.27X stronger, it sounds reasonable to me.
Here is a sandbox for if they become High 8-C.I don't have one for the other suggestions.
I believe there is a chance they can scale to High 8-C (5.13 Tons). In this case, we have Tensei Iida. He is going to be where some of the scaling comes from. Tensei should very well be superior to his little brother Iida in the beginning of the series. As both of them undergo the same training and have almost identical Quirks.
Iida is probably even trained by Tensei in all likelihood. Biggest point for this scaling is Joint Training Arc Iida being ready for a tune up. While U.A. Beginning Saga Iida wasn't ready, all while Tensei has already had his tune up some time ago. Clearly Tensei is superior to Iida, so his rating should scale above him.
Because of this we can scale the Bat Villain to High 8-C for harming Tensei with his attack. Even if we say the crash is what mainly hurt Tensei. The Bat Villain is moving at the same speed as him, if not faster, and also crashes as well (Into KD's fist). Meaning they have comparable durability. And Knuckleduster would scale for not only hurting him, but taking that impact to his fist.
Yes this does mean that Aizawa and anyone who scales to him would also be High 8-C as well.
Also I believe O'Clock shouldn't be any weaker than when he becomes Knuckleduster, agree or disagree?
Now I'll say that Koichi in his last key and Number 6 Destruction Style upscale to Large Building level+. Number 6 knuckle bombs are something he states can kill Koichi in one hit. And a indirect hit did some good damage on Knuckleduster. Destruction Style is much stronger than that, and AFO said Koichi wouldn't leave a trace of his body behind when he believed Number 6 had landed this punch on him.
The High 8-C value is 5.13 Tons. Upscaling to 6.5 Tons is only 1.27X stronger, it sounds reasonable to me.
Here is a sandbox for if they become High 8-C.
Now once again this goes back to Aizawa scaling. Who is currently this rating, and we could just decided that since nothing suggest he is weaker or inferior to his current self we shouldn't treat him as such. Since in terms of showing he is basically the same as he was in the main series. Despite my clear reluctance.
Also he is currently scaling above Shinso, who is At least 8-C, possibly High 8-C. And a Pro Hero Aizawa has no reason to be inferior to his student who he hasn't even been training for an entire year yet. So he should still be superior or at least comparable to Shinso who is still a student and undergoes the same training.
Also he is currently scaling above Shinso, who is At least 8-C, possibly High 8-C. And a Pro Hero Aizawa has no reason to be inferior to his student who he hasn't even been training for an entire year yet. So he should still be superior or at least comparable to Shinso who is still a student and undergoes the same training.
Now speed is the biggest issue here I believe. Since Koichi and Knuckleduster don't actually scale to the Bat Villain. Koichi tripped him up with a surprise leg sweep from an alleyway, and Knuckleduster hit him while he was off balance and coming towards him. So they don't scale to his speed.
Also I wonder if Koichi can be High Hypersonic+ for scaling to Endeavor during their little fight? Is that alright or should I just ignore that? I don't believe Endeavor was holding back the speed of his attacks, considering his actions of limited Koichi's mobility. I think that means he is somewhat comparable.
This doesn't scale to anyone besides Number 6's Overclock, but he can already become High Hypersonic+ and even Massively Hypersonic via multipliers. We could use that as scaling if my below suggestion doesn't work. But I won't bring it up as of now.
However what speed we use depends on what scaling we accept. If we accept Aizawa should be comparable to his current self or comparable/superior to Shinso. Then we can scale them to Shinso's Hypersonic reaction and combat speed. He is slower than 8%, but he can still react and attack before he reaches him.
8% is faster than 5%, so Shinso who is slower but somewhat compare is using 5% value for scaling. And we can use that for the multiplier.
Base Number 6 = 2400 m/s (Hypersonic)
Overclock 3X = 7200 m/s (Hypersonic+)
Overclock 10X = 24000 m/s (High Hypersonic+)
Overclock 24X = 57600 m/s (Massively Hypersonic)
Speed heavily depends on what scaling we accept in general. And if we don't accept any of the upgrades and leave them at 8-C, we need to figure out what speed rating they'll get in that scenario
Also I wonder if Koichi can be High Hypersonic+ for scaling to Endeavor during their little fight? Is that alright or should I just ignore that? I don't believe Endeavor was holding back the speed of his attacks, considering his actions of limited Koichi's mobility. I think that means he is somewhat comparable.
This doesn't scale to anyone besides Number 6's Overclock, but he can already become High Hypersonic+ and even Massively Hypersonic via multipliers. We could use that as scaling if my below suggestion doesn't work. But I won't bring it up as of now.
However what speed we use depends on what scaling we accept. If we accept Aizawa should be comparable to his current self or comparable/superior to Shinso. Then we can scale them to Shinso's Hypersonic reaction and combat speed. He is slower than 8%, but he can still react and attack before he reaches him.
8% is faster than 5%, so Shinso who is slower but somewhat compare is using 5% value for scaling. And we can use that for the multiplier.
Base Number 6 = 2400 m/s (Hypersonic)
Overclock 3X = 7200 m/s (Hypersonic+)
Overclock 10X = 24000 m/s (High Hypersonic+)
Overclock 24X = 57600 m/s (Massively Hypersonic)
Speed heavily depends on what scaling we accept in general. And if we don't accept any of the upgrades and leave them at 8-C, we need to figure out what speed rating they'll get in that scenario
TL;DR: We can scale them all to High 8-C, via Tensei and the Bat Villain. (Speed is still undetermined in this instant). Or we can scale them to Aizawa, who shouldn't be weaker than Shinso. At least 8-C, possibly High 8-C. (This gives them Hypersonic reaction and combat speed)
Leave them as they are currently, and keep them scaling above student Aizawa who is 8-C. (We'll need to look up some speed feats)
If someone has any other ideas for scaling, than please feel free to inform us.
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