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how far into class K? Because if it’s worse than his 20% feat, it doesn’t really matter even then
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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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Given this thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/lifting-strength-via-punching-kicking.112995/#post-3604013
Would Deku and All Might’s Class G LS feat still be valid since they push back the cube with a punch
Would Deku and All Might’s Class G LS feat still be valid since they push back the cube with a punch
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Wolfram was telekinetically pushing against their punch with that cube, hence why his shirt rips and he flinches back in pain when they break it.
It wasn’t a “he throws cube, they punch cube, cube breaks,” he was actively pushing that cube against them and they stopped it then punched through it after overcoming his own push force.
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Personally I’m unsure
Personally I think it should be since Wolfram literally using telekinesis was pushing that cube downwards towards them and their punch managed to withstand that and push back upwards before shattering it
It’s not not like the cube was just standing there
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The cube only broke after they overcame his telekinesis and broke his control over it. So their LS still scales cause it wasn’t a single moment, but a prolonged physical struggle they won.
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20% Feat is 150800 kg, Muscular is around 600000 kg. So it's a good deal higher than 20%.
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Well at least the LS scaling for his percentages is consistent.
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@Metalballrun @TheRustyOne @Therefir @Damage3245 @Jackof_noTrades068 @Kingofwolves999 @Gitagon @Crimson_Shadow101 @DemonGodMitchAubin @Insert_creative_name_here_12 @BlackeJan @Spinoirr So I discovered something interesting regarding the Mpa values and calculations I talked about a while ago. You know how to j/cc values are used for calculations and what not? The j/cc values are essentially the Mpa values. Literally, the site where we got our j/cc values even mentions this. Essentially, 50 Mpa would be equal to 50 j/cc.
There are different Mpa values depending on whether or not a feat is done through shear, compressive, yield, or tensile strength. I guess you can read up on this document I've been developing for the past several months if you want to know the difference between all the strengths. There are bits of information on the Mpa values for certain materials. It's not really finished but it has a lot of stuff on it.
Not sure if this will be applied to the wiki. I might make a CRT concerning these values and opt to chance the j/cc values in exchange for this. Although, obviously it'll take a while. For now, the j/cc values are fine to use until further notice I guess.
There are different Mpa values depending on whether or not a feat is done through shear, compressive, yield, or tensile strength. I guess you can read up on this document I've been developing for the past several months if you want to know the difference between all the strengths. There are bits of information on the Mpa values for certain materials. It's not really finished but it has a lot of stuff on it.
Not sure if this will be applied to the wiki. I might make a CRT concerning these values and opt to chance the j/cc values in exchange for this. Although, obviously it'll take a while. For now, the j/cc values are fine to use until further notice I guess.
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Just letting u know but only the mod/staff can do @'s, but let us know about the CRT later
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Now that was a good chapter for MHA
Although I hope Deku didn’t just One shot A weakened Muscular there
It feels like there’s a little more to this fight that can happen
Edit: Smoke manip for Deku is also sweet
Although I hope Deku didn’t just One shot A weakened Muscular there
It feels like there’s a little more to this fight that can happen
Edit: Smoke manip for Deku is also sweet
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I think it's a fine end, though wouldn't mind if there's still more to the fight.
Considering he defeated him in an opposite way compared to last time, not with raw power but with some help and his own intellect.
Considering he defeated him in an opposite way compared to last time, not with raw power but with some help and his own intellect.
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I think it's an alright end to the fight, but I would love more just cause I love the dynamic of it.
Also, in the face of his new quirk, I feel there are some things missing on Deku's profile.
Obviously he now gets Smoke Manipulation. I feel he has enough evidence to qualify for Supernatural Willpower (his insane pain tolerance, his will is what keeps One For All from being stolen and his will is amped by the wills of the past users, as shown with them stopping AFO as well as waking him up near the end of the war when he was unconsious), Pain Tolerance (still fighting with multi broken bones, breaking every limb and still moving, his entire Shigaraki/Muscular encounters. He should have had this in his first key years ago.) as well as Enhanced Resistance to Mind Manipulation (vestiges flat out are sentient now and can block mind attacks like they did against Shinso far easier now. They're essentially more powerful and functional than before).
Furthermore, the presence of the vestiges should be noted under his actual abilities tab, because they have become an actual assistance to him for fights and should be put on his profile. So maybe a section under One For All that notes the vestiges should be made.
Also, in the face of his new quirk, I feel there are some things missing on Deku's profile.
Obviously he now gets Smoke Manipulation. I feel he has enough evidence to qualify for Supernatural Willpower (his insane pain tolerance, his will is what keeps One For All from being stolen and his will is amped by the wills of the past users, as shown with them stopping AFO as well as waking him up near the end of the war when he was unconsious), Pain Tolerance (still fighting with multi broken bones, breaking every limb and still moving, his entire Shigaraki/Muscular encounters. He should have had this in his first key years ago.) as well as Enhanced Resistance to Mind Manipulation (vestiges flat out are sentient now and can block mind attacks like they did against Shinso far easier now. They're essentially more powerful and functional than before).
Furthermore, the presence of the vestiges should be noted under his actual abilities tab, because they have become an actual assistance to him for fights and should be put on his profile. So maybe a section under One For All that notes the vestiges should be made.
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Once again Pain Tolerance still isn't a power and ability we have on this wiki, but Supernatural Willpower seems fine. "Characters with this ability may be able to resist enormous amounts of pain," As written on the page itself, Izuku can definitely resist enormous amounts of pain.
Better Mind Manipulation resistance should be fine too. The vestiges themselves are also able to give advice to him, so they should be mentioned somewhere on his profile.
Better Mind Manipulation resistance should be fine too. The vestiges themselves are also able to give advice to him, so they should be mentioned somewhere on his profile.
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Pain Manipulation is an ability, and several characters have "Pain Tolerance" on their profiles right now for withstanding immense pain. Like Kilua and Zoro.
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Izuku has never gone up against Pain Manipulation, and don't bring up other verse, two wrongs don't make a right. (Unless they've been shown to feel less pain than normal)
Supernatural Willpower already covers very high pain tolerance. Resistance to Pain Manipulation should mean someone feels less pain then they normally should, Izuku feels the normal amount of pain as anyone else, but his willpower is so high that he doesn't let it effect him.
Supernatural Willpower already covers very high pain tolerance. Resistance to Pain Manipulation should mean someone feels less pain then they normally should, Izuku feels the normal amount of pain as anyone else, but his willpower is so high that he doesn't let it effect him.
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I brought them up because that's something I keep seeing brought up at times for those characters. From my understanding, Immense Pain Tolerance was something that you got for withstanding immense pain, so I was trying to figure out why Deku didn't qualify for it.
Supernatural Willpower covers it though so it doesn't really matter anymore.
Any thoughts on a bullet point under his Abilities for the vestiges? And maybe noting them under his intelligence?
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The vestiges do need some mention on his profile.
They should be in his notable technique section and we can have a small mention of them in his intelligence section. They can give him advice in battle which is rather helpful considering their large amount of experience compared to himself. Not sure how it'd be worded, but they are important.
They should be in his notable technique section and we can have a small mention of them in his intelligence section. They can give him advice in battle which is rather helpful considering their large amount of experience compared to himself. Not sure how it'd be worded, but they are important.
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We could put it under notable attacks as something like:
OFA Vestiges: Vestiges of the previous users of OFA. They are able to talk with Deku mid battle and give him advice concerning his powers. Most predecessors are skilled heroes.
OFA Vestiges: Vestiges of the previous users of OFA. They are able to talk with Deku mid battle and give him advice concerning his powers. Most predecessors are skilled heroes.
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I think it'd be something like:
Intelligence: The past users of One For All are able to share their wisdom freely, giving him information and advice.
Notable Attacks/Techniques:
One For All
Intelligence: The past users of One For All are able to share their wisdom freely, giving him information and advice.
Notable Attacks/Techniques:
One For All
- Vestiges: One For All contains not only the stockpiled power and quirks, but also the consciousness of its 8 previous holders. Though they were once mere shadows in the back of a current wielders mind, the stockpiling of power has reached a point where they can interact with not only the current wielder, but each other as well. This allows Izuku Midoriya to freely talk with the past holders of his quirk, gaining their insight even in the midst of battle. The vestiges also give him resistance to mind altering affects as their combined wills work alongside his own.
- Previous Users:
- First
- Second
- Third
- Hikage Shinomori
- Daigoro Banjo
- En
- Nana Shimura
- Toshinori Yagi
- Previous Users:
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I think this is perfect
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Also, the "Deku is all of Class 1-A" thing continues, as smokescreen is like his version of Hagakure's blinding attack with light
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Was just thinking to do that
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Alright, I did it. I added descriptions for each user, added his proper abilities and updated some other stuff.
Tell me how it looks, and then tell me how to properly put in a gallery so I can add a picture for the vestiges and Smokescreen
Tell me how it looks, and then tell me how to properly put in a gallery so I can add a picture for the vestiges and Smokescreen
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Figured it out
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Now it should look good.
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So what will the scaling look like going forward? Muscular is unquantifiably weakened here, we'll have to wait for the next chapter.
If by "full Power" he means 100%, then it's possible he's wearing full gauntlet esque gear?
If by "full Power" he means 100%, then it's possible he's wearing full gauntlet esque gear?
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By "full power" he was referring to all the tools he has at his disposal, as well as how far his fighting technique and skill have come.
Essentially, instead of just punching at 100% and calling that his full power, he's calling the usage of everything he's learned up till now as his full power. So he could've punched unarmored Muscular at like 30%.
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The next chapter should answer our questions.
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Btw, this match need a more attention: https://vsbattles.com/threads/kamen-rider-rogue-vs-mirko.107667/
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So with all these villains coming back and Deku facing off with them again...
Anyone ever wonder what an absolute beast of a combination Overhaul and Muscular would make? Like, they hate Deku more than anyone else, probably even more than Shigaraki, and one of them just so happens to have the ability to combine people together and is missing his hands...
Possible evil team up that forces Deku to need help?
Anyone ever wonder what an absolute beast of a combination Overhaul and Muscular would make? Like, they hate Deku more than anyone else, probably even more than Shigaraki, and one of them just so happens to have the ability to combine people together and is missing his hands...
Possible evil team up that forces Deku to need help?
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Sinister Six type beat
That would be epic
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Are we doing revisions for the Top Tiers soon? I think the 7-C calc was deemed unusable so we're just scaling Hood, Endeavor, Machia, Shiggy and 45% to Low 7-B.
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Personally I have no issue with Low 7-B Ho Kamino All might, endeavor etc
Even 30% Deku’s lifting strength has been on my mind since he could grapple muscular with black whip.
Although there is probably a usable 7-C calc involving the United States of Smash being 8 Kilotons but it hasn’t gotten evaluated I think.
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The 7-C USoS calc was just about the destruction caused by the shockwave of the punch, I feel like it doesn't really represent the force of the punch itself. It's for that reason that I'm fine with All Might being Low 7-B in Kamino although this was his strongest attack.
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I also have no issue with Low 7-B Kamino All Might and so on. All Might shouldn't have gotten hundreds of times weaker after the wolfram fight.
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Plus(this isn’t a main argument obviously but I’m just saying), it’s really strange for All for One during Kamino to be so much weaker than Muscular and Wolfram
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