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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Veloxt1r0kore said:
What i really curious was about Hirokoshi has no interest giving the females chars a spotlight, where he's stated that?
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He didn't. This person is making an observation based on how Horikoshi treats female characters.
He's kinda exaggerating about "smooching Deku" part as that's only Uraraka, but it is quite known that writing female characters isn't Horikoshi's forte.
 
Horikoshi is free to give development to the characters he deems necessary, it doesn't really matter if they are female or not.

This is the story of how Deku became the greatest hero, and if this user wanted a more female-centric manga then there are plenty of them on the market.

Also what did he mean by "Almost no one was a fan of the reveal about Deku's power"? Even anons on 4chan liked the chapter.
 
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Wanting female characters to be developed and handled better is different from turning the manga as female-centric. That's a slippery slope argument.
A manga being female-centric doesn't mean the female characters would be written better either, if you read some LQ shoujo out there.

As for Deku's power, I remember people being 50/50 about it during the release of the JT arc.
 
The real reason why Hori doesn't develop female characters is because not even a single one appeared in the top 10. He even brought back Shindo after he made it into the top.

But seriously, I think the character being female or not is just irrelevant when it comes to choosing who to develop in the plot, Hori has no bias against females characters.
 
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The pacing of the JT arc during that time did contribute to Black Whip's reception, but I binged MHA instead and I was still really iffy about it.

Well, nobody (in this thread) is saying Hori has any bias for female characters whatsoever (highly doubtful he has any). Nor does this mean that the female characters are badly written,
It's just an observable fact that most of the female characters do not get the same level of focus, writing, and development as the males. The one who comes closest is just Himiko Toga.
 
Metalballrun said:
The pacing of the JT arc during that time did contribute to Black Whip's reception, but I binged MHA instead and I was still really iffy about it.

Well, nobody (in this thread) is saying Hori has any bias for female characters whatsoever (highly doubtful he has any). Nor does this mean that the female characters are badly written,
It's just an observable fact that most of the female characters do not get the same level of focus, writing, and development as the males. The one who comes closest is just Himiko Toga.
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Miruko? Hiro pretty much nailed this bunny girl
 
Mirko's done greatly, a character that doesn't necessarily need any deep backstory or character arc to be cool. Mount Lady is good as well.
It still doesn't negate the fact that the only major female character to have as much focus and development as a major male characters is Toga. Ochako is a distant second with her screen time and relevance to the story, and her problems are easy to identify.
Look at the Big 3, from their introduction until the conclusion of the Overhaul arc, only Tamaki and mostly Mirio got the most significant screen time and look at the depth of their characters and relationship. Nejire only got an introductory scenes with the other two and her fight against Katsukame was portrayed as almost an afterthought, like "Hey look the girls did something!". Even if in-universe Katsukame was dangerous.

I would say it's really not as bad as MHA haters make it out to be, but I acknowledge this as a flaw regardless.
 
Metalballrun said:
Mirko's done greatly, a character that doesn't necessarily need any deep backstory or character arc to be cool. Mount Lady is good as well.
It still doesn't negate the fact that the only major female character to have as much focus and development as a major male characters is Toga. Ochako is a distant second with her screen time and relevance to the story, and her problems are easy to identify.
Look at the Big 3, from their introduction until the conclusion of the Overhaul arc, only Tamaki and mostly Mirio got the most significant screen time and look at the depth of their characters and relationship. Nejire only got an introductory scenes with the other two and her fight against Katsukame was portrayed as almost an afterthought, like "Hey look the girls did something!". Even if in-universe Katsukame was dangerous.

I would say it's really not as bad as MHA haters make it out to be, but I acknowledge this as a flaw regardless.
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Make me want Miruko backstory, but for now she's in recovery
 
Shouldn’t this be type 3? The vestiges are not personalities or facets of his imagination or parts of his mind. They are literally separate entities merged together into a quirk, a biological anomaly to his own body. So it’s more like multiple organism inside of his dna if anything since they are in OFA which is genetic.
 
Type 1 implies that the vestiges are coming from him, not an outside source, which isn’t the case.

Type 2 is the most accurate, but we don’t want to say souls in MHA, so not using that until they do say they’re souls, regardless of how obviously they are souls.

So the only one left is Type 3 which is also accurate given the biological nature of One For All and how it, even now, is leeching All Might’s consciousness into Deku
 
Type 1 still applies since they're kinda within him and they appear in some sort of imaginary space within Deku's consciousness. Maybe Type 1 and 3?
 
Metalballrun said:
Type 1 still applies since they're kinda within him and they appear in some sort of imaginary space within Deku's consciousness. Maybe Type 1 and 3?
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My issue is the wording of Type 1 implies they are parts of his own mind, not separate. Despite saying “Multiple Minds,” the description is “personalities or personas” which aren’t separate from the central mind, just different parts.
 
Type 1 implies that the vestiges are coming from him, not an outside source, which isn’t the case.
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I wouldn't say so. Multiple minds doesn't necessarily mean they're all your minds.
 
Damage3245 said:
I wouldn't say so. Multiple minds doesn't necessarily mean they're all your minds.
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The description uses “persona/personality” which only come from a central actual mind. So if anything if the description included “minds that aren’t from one” I’d be fine
 
So he qualifies for Type 1 and 3. Potentially Type 2 because the vestiges are so clearly souls in everything except being called it. But I guess we’ll just wait till they call them souls more consistently
 
Fan translations are out.

Muscular grabbed a random brick from the building he was standing on and molded it into a cover for his empty eyesocket. Not very hygienic, truly a horrifying villain.
6th User had good advice for Deck.
Smokescreen can spread a lot, it looked like it covered an entire street from the ground up to rooftops of large buildings.
It's confirmed that Muscular wasn't at full power when he got punched by Deku, due to Shindo. Deku doesn't seem to be using 100% either, and he probably didn't need to since Muscular's body wasn't being defended by muscle masses.
 
Metalballrun said:
I maintain my opinion that adding the green lightning stuff with Deku was a mistake. Yeah it made visuals look really cool but it could've been an entirely different quirk. The fact that it's only for the audience and apparently nobody actually sees it in-universe and the lightning is just for aesthetics makes it even worse, as its sole existence is just to make Izuku look cool using what is an otherwise a bland super-strength ability.
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Where’d you get the idea it was just for the audience? AM generates lighting at certain points too and so does AFO and neither actually need a visual tell for their powers.
 
Because nobody has ever commented on it, they only recognize him possessing super strength. The fact that All Might has never done it too until that final fight against AFO shows it, and even then AM's lightning aura has never been to the extent that Deku has. All Might looks normal using 100% while Deku turns into a ******* disco ball.
 
I find the criticism of “this visual effect should have been an entire quirk because I want him to have a quirk like that” kinda self defeating. You’re arguing that a visual effect to signify one of the most important parts of his entire tool kit as a hero shouldn’t exist, and instead should just be another quirk slapped into him, because why?

I find it to be a fantastic visual queue for his powers as well as the ramping up, percentage based theme he falls under where it gets more intense the closer he gets to his max, whether others notice it or not. All Might also has this effect, but Deku’s being far more consistent just goes to show how untamed his own power is, as well as its potential compared to All Mights, as communicated to the viewer.

I feel arguing that “it should have been a quirk” is a strange thing to say when the prospect of him having multiple quirks, and those quirks coming about due to his efforts of mastering the quirk further, not just having it, is something that hasn’t even been around since the beginning.
 
Metalballrun said:
Because nobody has ever commented on it, they only recognize him possessing super strength. The fact that All Might has never done it too until that final fight against AFO shows it, and even then AM's lightning aura has never been to the extent that Deku has. All Might looks normal using 100% while Deku turns into a ******* disco ball.
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No one comments how Iida’s engines extend outward to varying degrees but it happens. No one comments how Momo’s skin stretches and cracks to release items but it happens. Heck most wouldn’t care because energy based strength isn’t unique to Deku. Fatgum, CC, Katsukame and Re Destro all fit this bill.
 
We know the lightning is a visual effect, because during the Joint Training Arc, Uraraka was confused on how Shinso could overpowered Izuku.

He had to tell her that he wasn't using OFA, which meant she couldn't visibly tell if he has his Quirk on or off. And when Monoma copy OFA, they didn't know if he actually had it or not. When Uraraka restrained him, she stated he must've been bluffing since he had no strength, which once again points to there being no visual effect for OFA.

If it wasn't a visual effect then she shouldn't have been surprised by Izuku being overpowered, or no one would question if Monoma actually had copied OFA.
 
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Veloxt1r0kore said:
So i just found a big three shonen jump discussion, and then i saw a pretty interesting point about MHA:

My Hero Academia: It jumped the shark. Almost no one was a fan of the reveal about Deku's power and the more series started to lean on side characters the more I miss my favourites in 1-A. Also Horikoshi has made it clear to me that he has no interest in giving any of the female characters any spotlight that isn't about how much they want to smooch Deku (except for Miruko - Miruko's parts f***ing killed it). The current status-quo change might open the doors for something really interesting but after reading Worm and Invincible and ten other lame, """deconstructionist""" superhero stories I don't have much hope for grim and gritty takes on the genre.

What i really curious was about Hirokoshi has no interest giving the females chars a spotlight, where he's stated that?
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Just people talking out of their ass. It's true that Ochako has received less spotlight than female leads in other manga but if you look at the other female characters even in the last arc alone, everyone from Mt. Lady, Mirko, Momo were all instrumental to how the arc went.

In fact, I'd say Horikoshi's main fault is sidelining Ochako because no matter how well he does with other female characters, people will always look at Ochako first and use her to invalidate all female characters in the verse.

To a lot of people, it doesn't matter that Momo's plan basically took out Machia.

They'll look and see Ochako basically did nothing the entire war arc apart from like fighting Toga for 1 chapter and saving some people after the fight, and use that to invalidate everyone else. After all Ochako is the female lead.

If you look at other recent shonen: Chainsaw man, JJK & Black Clover - the female side characters are just around the same level of relevance as the ones in MHA but their female leads are far more important to their respective plots than Ochako.

For 1, these other female leads are part of their series 'Origin Trio' while in MHA the trio is Deku, Bakugo, Todoroki so she'll never be part of their main adventures unlike say Nobara. This becomes exceedingly clear season 3 going foward, even the movies are the same.

Also with BC, Noelle has her backstory and even future opponents perfectly matched with Yuno and Asta (each with a triad sibling/devil as an enemy & with history) which means she will never be completely sidelined.

Her power-ups also keep up with the boys while with Ochako, we don't even know if her quirk has improved since chapter 1.

She's barely shown anything new with her power apart from with gear or GHMA.

No awakenings, no evolutions, no new facets to her quirk, same old same old.

Even guys like Kirishima (Unbreakable), Tokoyami (flight and armor), Mina (Acid man), Hagakure (Light refraction and bending), Iida (Turbo), Tsuyu (camouflage), have all gotten tangible quirk power-ups and techniques while all Ochako has is zero satellites which is just an application of her quirk, nothing new.

So unless Hori does something with her, we will always get the 'female characters' complaints since Ochako is who people look at first as the female lead of this series.
 
So Muscular was defeated due to Yo's Quirk weakening him. In case anyone is wondering, a quick calc puts the lifting strength of Muscular in this moment around Class K and obviously the AP isn't anything special (9-A).

Izuku might scale to the lifting strength, since Muscular had to use using more Muscle Fibers to try an escape Blackwhip, but that's it I think.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Type 1 implies that the vestiges are coming from him, not an outside source, which isn’t the case.

Type 2 is the most accurate, but we don’t want to say souls in MHA, so not using that until they do say they’re souls, regardless of how obviously they are souls.

So the only one left is Type 3 which is also accurate given the biological nature of One For All and how it, even now, is leeching All Might’s consciousness into Deku
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I personally see it as Type 1, and 3. But unless outright stated, we cannot say it is type 2. The vestiges were tied to their Quirk factors, which were carried into OFA. Quirk factors have been established as a biological function in universe. So I feel like Type 1, and 3 can apply.
 
Yeah, this fight can't be used to scale Deku at all. It's nothing too different from his war arc self. In fact this is more of a feat for Shindo's AP only that it has a delayed effect.

If he could spam his max vibrations with minimal consequences, he'd be solidly => Muscular.

The only new thing Deku showed here is Smokescreen. I sure hope Muscular isn't down for good so we can get a solid Deku vs Muscular 2.
 
I said the lightning aura could've been a quirk. I never said it should've. In fact I think it should've been scrapped entirely, although that's my personal preference.

I won't argue against people who likes Deku turning more and more into a human lightbulb as he increases his percentage use, because that's your personal preference. In fact I did say that it looks visually amazing.

But I, personally, also feel that Horikoshi could've used other ways to portray his percentage increase. That and All Might already looks amazing and menacing even without any lightning aura.
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
So i just found a big three shonen jump discussion, and then i saw a pretty interesting point about MHA:

My Hero Academia: It jumped the shark. Almost no one was a fan of the reveal about Deku's power and the more series started to lean on side characters the more I miss my favourites in 1-A. Also Horikoshi has made it clear to me that he has no interest in giving any of the female characters any spotlight that isn't about how much they want to smooch Deku (except for Miruko - Miruko's parts f***ing killed it). The current status-quo change might open the doors for something really interesting but after reading Worm and Invincible and ten other lame, """deconstructionist""" superhero stories I don't have much hope for grim and gritty takes on the genre.

What i really curious was about Hirokoshi has no interest giving the females chars a spotlight, where he's stated that?
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I feel like u found that off of twitter lol
 
Shindo actually destroyed Muscular's connective tissue which allowed Deku to one-shot him. He was still wary of Muscular's power, noting that he could overpower 100% OFA
 
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Thanks volume 27 for haveing 184 pages instead of the 200 of vol 26
 
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