My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

[Earthyboy]

Yes, there are feats in the movie that are consistent, but there are also a good amount that are not consistent, and it's not even just PIS. There was no Plot induced reason to give Deku a high 6-C feat, the same goes with hypersonic 5% feats.

But you can't just ax out the consistent stuff, because it's from the same plot-line as the inconsistent stuff. Again, that's an association fallacy. Some of the stuff you mentioned in your post (arguably) isn't even outliers. Like Deku being shown to compete with Weakened AM's 100%.

The movies can be good for supporting feats if there consistent with the manga but unless the feat is supported by other consistent showings I'm against accepting them on their own.

You don't say? You know what? Just to prove a point I'll just list all the consistent stuff from the movies.

• Deku tanking a fall that would be High 8-C.
• Deku shattering a steel beam with High 8-C levels of energy.
• Deku moving at supersonic speeds casually.
• Deku and Bakugo create a High 8-C level explosion.
• Bakugo creating a High 8-C+ explosion.

All of this is consistent with the canon feats. At best, you have one or two legitimate outliers that are not contributed to PIS. I have five consistent feats and debatably more.

Do the math to figure out which list out rules the other.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

When he heated up the metal and himself by running

So the scene where he's keeping up with All Might? Which is PIS due to Horikoshi wanting him and All Might to fight together at least one time since he couldn't do it in the manga? How is THAT not a PIS scenario?

It's far easier for Deku's speed to be inaccurate in this instance than his strength due to the numerous statements of his 100% being comparable to All Might, especially from people that have literally been quoted before, like Endeavor.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

So the scene where he's keeping up with All Might? Which is PIS due to Horikoshi wanting him and All Might to fight together at least one time since he couldn't do it in the manga? How is THAT not a PIS scenario?

It's far easier for Deku's speed to be inaccurate in this instance than his strength due to the numerous statements of his 100% being comparable to All Might, especially from people that have literally been quoted before, like Endeavor.

When did I not say it wasn't PIS. I was telling Cyborg to put that on the list.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

When did I not say it wasn't PIS. I was telling Cyborg to put that on the list.

OH, that wasn't aimed at you. I was still speaking towards Cyborg's point. mb if you took it that way

 

[Duedate8898]

But you can't just ax out the consistent stuff, because it's from the same plot-line as the inconsistent stuff. Again, that's an association fallacy. Some of the stuff you mentioned in your post (arguably) isn't even outliers. Like Deku being shown to compete with Weakened AM's 100%.

You don't say? You know what? Just to prove a point I'll just list all the consistent stuff from the movies.

• Deku tanking a fall that would be High 8-C.
• Deku shattering a steel beam with High 8-C levels of energy.
• Deku moving at supersonic speeds casually.
• Deku and Bakugo create a High 8-C level explosion.
• Bakugo creating a High 8-C+ explosion.

All of this is consistent with the canon feats. At best, you have one or two legitimate outliers that are not contributed to PIS. I have five consistent feats and debatably more.

Do the math to figure out which list out rules the other.

Weren't all those feats used to upgrade Deku's lower forms which weren't on that level before?

 

[Earthyboy]

Weren't all those feats used to upgrade Deku's lower forms which weren't on that level before?

Yeah, but that's kind of irrelevant at the moment.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Weren't all those feats used to upgrade Deku's lower forms which weren't on that level before?

Yes, but now other manga feats support them further, like Bakugo's explosions

 

[Duedate8898]

I mean, but you're saying they're consistent with the manga when it sounds more like they're consistent with the movie. Especially since, I think most of Deku's profile has its ap feats come from the movies.

 

[Earthyboy]

I mean, but you're saying they're consistent with the manga when it sounds more like they're consistent with the movie. Especially since, I think most of Deku's profile has its ap feats come from the movies.

Yeah, but you ignore the fact that the manga also has a few High 8-C feats as well.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I mean, but you're saying they're consistent with the manga when it sounds more like they're consistent with the movie. Especially since, I think most of Deku's profile has its ap feats come from the movies.

I mean, the issue we're facing isn't that the manga has feats that contradict the movies or are less impressive, it's that the manga has barely any feats ay all.

 

[Earthyboy]

I mean, the issue we're facing isn't that the manga has feats that contradict the movies or are less impressive, it's that the manga has barely any feats ay all.

That's actually a good point. The manga rarely shows characters going all out or showing their maximum power because most of the time it's unnecessary.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Also lets not pretend the manga has no inconsistencies at all either

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Also lets not pretend the manga has no inconsistencies at all either

Not trying to argue but I actually can't think of any major ones

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Also lets not pretend the manga has no inconsistencies at all either

I know I keep harping on this but I still think Muscular is a living inconsistency.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I know I keep harping on this but I still think Muscular is a living inconsistency.

Oh yeah for sure. The idea that AFO never found him makes no sense (unless his quirk is dependant on your base muscularity). Even then the fact that characters haven't thrown him in jail for being AM tier makes no sense and furthermore his power level is nonsense

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Not trying to argue but I actually can't think of any major ones

Deku punching All Might in the face and stunning him at 5%.

The Iida blitzing Stain calc that had him at hypersonic

Muscular's existence

That 5% feat where he kicks a rock and breaks it that was high 8-c+. Unless that one was anime I think.

 

[Earthyboy]

Deku punching All Might in the face and stunning him at 5%.

The Iida blitzing Stain calc that had him at hypersonic

Muscular's existence

That 5% feat where he kicks a rock and breaks it that was high 8-c+. Unless that one was anime I think.

The last one was actually in the anime and was mostly due to his Iron Soles I believe.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Deku punching All Might in the face and stunning him at 5%.

The Iida blitzing Stain calc that had him at hypersonic

Muscular's existence

That 5% feat where he kicks a rock and breaks it that was high 8-c+. Unless that one was anime I think.

I think that last bit was anime only cause the cliff wasn't that big in the manga

 

[Duedate8898]

Yeah, but you ignore the fact that the manga also has a few High 8-C feats as well.

So why didn't Deku have High 8-C in his lower tier before the movie calcs came out?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

So why didn't Deku have High 8-C in his lower tier before the movie calcs came out?

because some of those feats he scales to got upgraded due to wiki changes

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

because some of those feats he scales to got upgraded due to wiki changes

Our destruction values changed right?

 

[Duedate8898]

because some of those feats he scales to got upgraded due to wiki changes

Really? Normally those revisions lower calcs, what was the change this time around?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Our destruction values changed right?

yeah, which upgraded Bakugo's explosions

 

[Kingofwolves999]

or whichever change it was that changed how we calced his explosions which made his 8-c ones stronger

 

[Gitagon]

Here's an inconsistency I found with the movie that I want someone to comment on.

Why is 5% Deku able to keep up speed-wise with a weakened AM.

He's not, it's All Might who's slowing down to run alongside him.

 

[Gitagon]

Oh yeah for sure. The idea that AFO never found him makes no sense (unless his quirk is dependant on your base muscularity). Even then the fact that characters haven't thrown him in jail for being AM tier makes no sense and furthermore his power level is nonsense

Muscle Augmentation is already given to Hood and even Wolfram's strength enhancer is called the same so it's probable Muscular's quirk got copied by Ujiko way earlier.

We already know he could copy and reproduce AFO itself + all Kamino AFO quirks and at least Hood's Muscle Augmentation looks and is described the same way as Muscular's quirk. So he was obviously in AFO and Ujiko's range for a while.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Bakugo has a 7-C feat in the manga? Edit: nvm misread something.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Deku punching All Might in the face and stunning him at 5%.

The Iida blitzing Stain calc that had him at hypersonic

Muscular's existence

That 5% feat where he kicks a rock and breaks it that was high 8-c+. Unless that one was anime I think.

Add 100% only outputting an 8-A feat during the war to that

Along with Shiggy’s air canon probably only being building level if we calced it

 

[Metalballrun]

Add 100% only outputting an 8-A feat during the war to that

Along with Shiggy’s air canon probably only being building level if we calced it

All Might's and AFO's clash during Kamino is 8-A as well.
They're shockwaves from the clash so you can say that the punches themselves were stronger though.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Does anyone know the AP of paranormal liberation arc bakugou?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

He’s 8B for upscaling off his previous key. He doesn’t have any known AP feats to say otherwise

 

[CyborgSakumo]

He’s 8B for upscaling off his previous key. He doesn’t have any known AP feats to say otherwise

Out of curiosity did anyone calc the giant explosion he used against Shigaraki, I don't think anyone calced it because it was assumed at the time that he would be 8-A, but if he's 8-B the explosion could give him a calc to work with.

 

[Earthyboy]

Out of curiosity did anyone calc the giant explosion he used against Shigaraki, I don't think anyone calced it because it was assumed at the time that he would be 8-A, but if he's 8-B the explosion could give him a calc to work with.

It probably isn't above Building level.

 

[Metalballrun]

Has anybody here actually read MHA Smash or MHA Team Up Mission?
I don't think there are any major feats there (especially the former which is mostly comedy IIRC) but there are good supporting feats as far as I know.
Also Deku actually uses his mask/headgear in team-up mission. It apparently doubles as a gas mask too.

 

[Earthyboy]

Has anybody here actually read MHA Smash or MHA Team Up Mission?
I don't think there are any major feats there (especially the former which is mostly comedy IIRC) but there are good supporting feats as far as I know.
Also Deku actually uses his mask/headgear in team-up mission. It apparently doubles as a gas mask too.

I've read a bit of Smash, (spoiler: it's not canon) but Team Up Mission is something I think that's canon.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Has anybody here actually read MHA Smash or MHA Team Up Mission?
I don't think there are any major feats there (especially the former which is mostly comedy IIRC) but there are good supporting feats as far as I know.
Also Deku actually uses his mask/headgear in team-up mission. It apparently doubles as a gas mask too.

I’ve read some of both. All I’ve seen for feats in Team Up Mission is Hawks blitzing someone faster than Bakugou and Deku. Although TUM is weird cause I also remember Bakugou launching a Howitzer indoors

 

[Gitagon]

Only feat I remember is Hawks blitzing someone faster than Deku and Bakugo and this would be post Endeavor training arc cause Hawks already knows them.

Most of the chapters in TUM are just slice of life or minor activities here and there so there aren't many fights or feats.

 

[Rizaadxn]

Vigilantes 93 is out in the official Japanese shonen jump app. The author just posted it on twitter.

All Might does get some new Superman-like feats: deflecting a bullet with his palm, using super breath to put out a fire in a building and I guess All Might also knows locks or jiu jutsu lol.

How do you know it was a bullet?

 

[Earthyboy]

How do you know it was a bullet?

Yeah, I was wondering that as well.

 

[Rizaadxn]

Muscle Augmentation is already given to Hood and even Wolfram's strength enhancer is called the same so it's probable Muscular's quirk got copied by Ujiko way earlier.

We already know he could copy and reproduce AFO itself + all Kamino AFO quirks and at least Hood's Muscle Augmentation looks and is described the same way as Muscular's quirk. So he was obviously in AFO and Ujiko's range for a while.

I'm pretty certain Muscular never met Doctor Garaki. Except for Tenko, It was the LoV's first time meeting AFO back in Kamino and the same for them meeting the Doctor during the MVA arc.

Also, while you may claim that Hoody's Muscle Augmentation looks similar, I don't think it's the same. There's never a scene where muscle fibres are produced out of his limbs in the same way as Muscular.