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That's a possibility. Explains why he had to let himself get shot by Nemoto instead of evading the bullet while saving Eri, due to his slower travel speed.
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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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Unfortunately no chapter this week. There's a break and the next chapter comes out on 17th.
Also Volume 29 lists out Gigantomachia's quirks. He had 7 of them:
1. Endurance - his original quirk is strong physical prowess
2. Loss of feeling - he doesn't not feel pain
3. Gigantic - he can grow larger when agitated
4. Dog - his sense of smell and sight is keen like a dogs
5. Energy Efficiency - his body is able to conserve nutrients and water and does not need much sleep
6. Muscle Rigidity - his muscles can harden
7. Mole - he can dig into the earth
Anyway, I just copy pasted this off twitter and its by a Japanese fan translatimg it as the volume came out yesterday/today over there. Maybe the official English version will use different names but it shouldn't be far off from this.
Also Volume 29 lists out Gigantomachia's quirks. He had 7 of them:
1. Endurance - his original quirk is strong physical prowess
2. Loss of feeling - he doesn't not feel pain
3. Gigantic - he can grow larger when agitated
4. Dog - his sense of smell and sight is keen like a dogs
5. Energy Efficiency - his body is able to conserve nutrients and water and does not need much sleep
6. Muscle Rigidity - his muscles can harden
7. Mole - he can dig into the earth
Anyway, I just copy pasted this off twitter and its by a Japanese fan translatimg it as the volume came out yesterday/today over there. Maybe the official English version will use different names but it shouldn't be far off from this.
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I wonder if Machia did have physical enhancements via Doctor Eggman, or his current strength is purely via those quirks. Has it been stated before?
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Well thats to be expected given the fact Horikoshi is trying to plan something good
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um what about his armor? is that the muscle rigidity? cuz it kinda seems like a type of bone manipulation i could be wrong tho
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It would depend on what type of quirk Endurance is, it could be a mutant or tranformation quirk that creates armor almost like Re-destro.
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Reading through some older volume extras, and it's stated Claustro: "The stakes that clamp down into his body cause plenty of pain. This suit sacrifices mobility in exchange for explosive stress (power)" So we'll need to change his profile that his speed is lower with Claustro.
And a possible MHA movie reference? Detnerat Tech: "The West has been making remarkable strides in compact technology in recent years, and Detnerat's gone and plagiarized a bunch of it. They haven't gone through the proper channels, so this stuff isn't known to the public.
Meanwhile, Endeavor did go through the proper channels when he went to an American support company to request a costume equipped with the latest compression tech. Incidentally, a certain girl over in the States helped create that costume."
And a possible MHA movie reference? Detnerat Tech: "The West has been making remarkable strides in compact technology in recent years, and Detnerat's gone and plagiarized a bunch of it. They haven't gone through the proper channels, so this stuff isn't known to the public.
Meanwhile, Endeavor did go through the proper channels when he went to an American support company to request a costume equipped with the latest compression tech. Incidentally, a certain girl over in the States helped create that costume."
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Another translation of Machia's quirks:
From mangahelpers:
Gigantomachia's Quirks
He was given 6 quirks, and with the addition of his own, he has a total of 7 quirks.
[1] "Endurance" = Original quirk. Monstrous stamina.
[2] "Pain Blocking" = Can become unable to feel pain.
[3] "Gigantification" = When worked up, his body can grow larger.
[4] "Dog" = Senses of hearing and smell are enhanced.
[5] "Energy Efficiency" = Can remain active with limited amounts of food and water. Sleeping time is also reduced.
[6] "Tough Muscle" = Hard and sturdy muscles.
[8] "Mole" = Can switch to an underground burrowing mode.
(Fingers extend, grows spikes on the back that make burrowing easier, has a visor that protects the face.)
Because Machia can't use quirks that require training or any thinking whatsoever, he was loaded up with body enhancement types. [2] and [3] technically need a bit of practice to activate, but Machia just leaves them on all the time. The combination expands on the potential of [1] "Endurance".
[7] "Mole" was given to Machia by All for One for concealment purposes. On his master's orders, he's been in hiding deep in the mountains underground all this time. After All for One's defeat by All Might, nearly all his subordinates were eliminated, and on top of that, he lost free use of his body. Using the Doctor and Machia, he was just barely able to scrape by collecting quirks and healing.
From mangahelpers:
Gigantomachia's Quirks
He was given 6 quirks, and with the addition of his own, he has a total of 7 quirks.
[1] "Endurance" = Original quirk. Monstrous stamina.
[2] "Pain Blocking" = Can become unable to feel pain.
[3] "Gigantification" = When worked up, his body can grow larger.
[4] "Dog" = Senses of hearing and smell are enhanced.
[5] "Energy Efficiency" = Can remain active with limited amounts of food and water. Sleeping time is also reduced.
[6] "Tough Muscle" = Hard and sturdy muscles.
[8] "Mole" = Can switch to an underground burrowing mode.
(Fingers extend, grows spikes on the back that make burrowing easier, has a visor that protects the face.)
Because Machia can't use quirks that require training or any thinking whatsoever, he was loaded up with body enhancement types. [2] and [3] technically need a bit of practice to activate, but Machia just leaves them on all the time. The combination expands on the potential of [1] "Endurance".
[7] "Mole" was given to Machia by All for One for concealment purposes. On his master's orders, he's been in hiding deep in the mountains underground all this time. After All for One's defeat by All Might, nearly all his subordinates were eliminated, and on top of that, he lost free use of his body. Using the Doctor and Machia, he was just barely able to scrape by collecting quirks and healing.
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Useless list I did:
Mobility/Movement/Speed Quirks and Techniques
I'll just split this into 3 parts: Teleportation, Speed and Flight. I think this might be the last one I do because I think I've run out of topics: I did one for Top10/Best hax quirks, vitality quirks, strength quirks and defense quirks so I guess mobility is the only category left.
- A. - Teleportation - There are 2 teleportation abilities in the quirk:
1.Warpgate - this is naturally stronger as it can pretty much open a gate anywhere. It can also open multiple gates at once, enclose people within it and teleport multiple people.
2.Warp - the black too quirk. Apart from the process which seems pretty terrible coughing up black goo, its a pretty good quirk though it is more limited compared to Warpgate.
- B. - Flight Quirks - there are several flight quirks in the series or techniques that grant their users flight.
3.Flight
4.Float
5.Zero Gravity
6.Leap - Pop Step's quirk
7.Fierce Wings - basically made Hawks one of the faster characters in the verse. Also enhances his perception as he can even sense small vibrations with them.
8.Dark Shadow - Tokoyami finally entered the list of fliers in the class.
9.Poltergeist - 1B enters the chat
10.Lizard Tail Splitter - another quirk from 1B that allows the user to fly
11.Explosion - Bakugo basically uses his quirk to fly pretty well
.........Some quirks I'd forgotten:
(i).Ryukyu's Dragon quirk grants her flight
(ii).Foldabody - Edgeshot can transform at supersonic speeds and be does use it for movement.
(iii).Ice quirks - Todoroki can use his ice to glide at high speeds while Geten uses his to basically levitate and fly.
(iv).Air Walk
- C. - General Speed Quirks and Techniques
12.OFA - naturally boosts the users physical stats including speed.
13.Overclock - everyone knows it by now. Enhances movement speed + perception making the user basically perceive stuff in slow motion.
14.Rabbit - Mirko - mentioned alongside Hawks by Best Jeanist's pilot on speed type heroes.
15.Slide and Glide - Koichi's quirk which basically got a boost recently and he even got temporary flight. It is currently basically on par with Overclock in the recent arc.
16.Engine: with its techniques Burst, Turbo, Extend + Iida's new mufflers.
17.Jet : this should be on the Flight list considering Torino basically uses it to fly.
18.Flashfire Steps: this is a technique among Endeavor's arsenal that grants him supersonic speed but he can only use it on the ground.
19.Whirlwind - Inasa - Shoukdbe in the flight list too. Speedwise he basically uses the wind to push himself and glide.
20.Phantom Menace - Not a quirk but Mirio's high-speed acceleration technique.
21.Bat - Bat villain's quirk from Vigilantes though the guy was taking drugs. He was one of those Next level villains. He had superspeed both when running and even later when he could fly. He was at least faster then Tensei.
22.Majestic too (flight category) since he can also fly
Mobility/Movement/Speed Quirks and Techniques
I'll just split this into 3 parts: Teleportation, Speed and Flight. I think this might be the last one I do because I think I've run out of topics: I did one for Top10/Best hax quirks, vitality quirks, strength quirks and defense quirks so I guess mobility is the only category left.
- A. - Teleportation - There are 2 teleportation abilities in the quirk:
1.Warpgate - this is naturally stronger as it can pretty much open a gate anywhere. It can also open multiple gates at once, enclose people within it and teleport multiple people.
2.Warp - the black too quirk. Apart from the process which seems pretty terrible coughing up black goo, its a pretty good quirk though it is more limited compared to Warpgate.
- B. - Flight Quirks - there are several flight quirks in the series or techniques that grant their users flight.
3.Flight
4.Float
5.Zero Gravity
6.Leap - Pop Step's quirk
7.Fierce Wings - basically made Hawks one of the faster characters in the verse. Also enhances his perception as he can even sense small vibrations with them.
8.Dark Shadow - Tokoyami finally entered the list of fliers in the class.
9.Poltergeist - 1B enters the chat
10.Lizard Tail Splitter - another quirk from 1B that allows the user to fly
11.Explosion - Bakugo basically uses his quirk to fly pretty well
.........Some quirks I'd forgotten:
(i).Ryukyu's Dragon quirk grants her flight
(ii).Foldabody - Edgeshot can transform at supersonic speeds and be does use it for movement.
(iii).Ice quirks - Todoroki can use his ice to glide at high speeds while Geten uses his to basically levitate and fly.
(iv).Air Walk
- C. - General Speed Quirks and Techniques
12.OFA - naturally boosts the users physical stats including speed.
13.Overclock - everyone knows it by now. Enhances movement speed + perception making the user basically perceive stuff in slow motion.
14.Rabbit - Mirko - mentioned alongside Hawks by Best Jeanist's pilot on speed type heroes.
15.Slide and Glide - Koichi's quirk which basically got a boost recently and he even got temporary flight. It is currently basically on par with Overclock in the recent arc.
16.Engine: with its techniques Burst, Turbo, Extend + Iida's new mufflers.
17.Jet : this should be on the Flight list considering Torino basically uses it to fly.
18.Flashfire Steps: this is a technique among Endeavor's arsenal that grants him supersonic speed but he can only use it on the ground.
19.Whirlwind - Inasa - Shoukdbe in the flight list too. Speedwise he basically uses the wind to push himself and glide.
20.Phantom Menace - Not a quirk but Mirio's high-speed acceleration technique.
21.Bat - Bat villain's quirk from Vigilantes though the guy was taking drugs. He was one of those Next level villains. He had superspeed both when running and even later when he could fly. He was at least faster then Tensei.
22.Majestic too (flight category) since he can also fly
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I just thought about how that one panel of shiggy being gruesomely operated on during the AFO transfer is gonna get adapted into the anime. (
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Don’t forget about what Mr. Compress does lmao
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Ok so 2 things with the profiles.
1. I don't recall Fatgum displaying comparable power to Unbreakable Kirishima
2. Should we just ignore that Mirio couldn't destroy the walls with a punch.
3. Wasn't there a calc for Mirio's base movment speed without his quirk?
1. I don't recall Fatgum displaying comparable power to Unbreakable Kirishima
2. Should we just ignore that Mirio couldn't destroy the walls with a punch.
3. Wasn't there a calc for Mirio's base movment speed without his quirk?
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1. That's debatable. Fatgum did manage to crack a shield Kirishima couldn't break, even in his Unbreakable form. I'll look into that later.
2. Yeah, that always irked me. Mirio probably shouldn't be as strong as Midoriya thanks to one lucky punch to his solar plexus.
3. Don't remember there ever being a calculation. Would you mind describing it?
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1. I don't recall him cracking it but I'll look into that
2. I agree on that.
3. Iirc Damage calced Mirio dodging Nemoto's gun shots in that hall way
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They both did similar damage to Chisaki, so I'm certain their equal.
Izuku implied he can't destroy walls either, he needs his Iron Soles to do so.
Izuku implied he can't destroy walls either, he needs his Iron Soles to do so.
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When did he imply that? We also have 5% Deku being able to bust metal so walls wouldn't be out of his paygrade.
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I don't remember the chapter and I can't find it, but I'm certain when Izuku was explaining how his Iron Soles work there was a visual example.
It showed his kick not breaking a wall, but with the second impact with the Iron Soles the wall broke. It was a cartoony visual aid along with his explanation so it's not 100 percent certain, it's only an implication.
It showed his kick not breaking a wall, but with the second impact with the Iron Soles the wall broke. It was a cartoony visual aid along with his explanation so it's not 100 percent certain, it's only an implication.
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Just because Mirio can damage someone Deku can damage doesn't mean they're comparable in power. It could just be that Overhaul is weaker than both of them so they're both capable of injuring him. Which would make the most sense.
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You need proof that Mirio is far weaker than Izuku, we're not downscaling someone because he punched him in the stomach. He injured him and so he scales to him, this isn't like Toga who used a knife.
It was never stated he was weaker and that he can't hurt Izuku.
No the damage on Chisaki was the same, his arm was bruised heavily and shaking. Nothing implied Izuku's punch was far superior to Mirio.
It was never stated he was weaker and that he can't hurt Izuku.
No the damage on Chisaki was the same, his arm was bruised heavily and shaking. Nothing implied Izuku's punch was far superior to Mirio.
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Vigilantes 93 is out in the official Japanese shonen jump app. The author just posted it on twitter.
All Might does get some new Superman-like feats: deflecting a bullet with his palm, using super breath to put out a fire in a building and I guess All Might also knows locks or jiu jutsu lol.
All Might does get some new Superman-like feats: deflecting a bullet with his palm, using super breath to put out a fire in a building and I guess All Might also knows locks or jiu jutsu lol.
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martial arts now goes on All Might’s profile ezgg
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That's a pretty weird implication since he scales to Iida who oneshots 1 point bots and his 5%'s potential inability to break a wall in one bit doesn't scale to 8%
Also it wasn't the iron soles since we see Deku stomp through walls like twice and his iron soles can't help him there.
Deku can break walls, Mirio can't, Mirio harms Overhaul, Deku harms him and sends him flying.
I'm not advocating for wall level Mirio or something but I feel he should downscale perhaps to a lower degree of High 8C+ or just High 8C.
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I heavily disagree, and sending him flying doesn't mean anything. Endeavor and Shigaraki people, same thing.
Also when was Iida shown to destroy a 1 Pointer in one shot, last I check the manga didn't show the robot and we don't know if he fought it off screen a bit.
Actually where did Mirio say he can't destroy a wall. When did Izuku destroy any walls without his Iron Soles on. Movies do not count.
I disagree with downscaling Mirio in any way shape or form, how is it that we can live in a world where someone hurts another with his punches say they don't scale. You can't use that wall thing as an excuse unless you want to downgrade him to 9-C or something, you can't have it any other way.
Since that's saying he isn't wall level, though I'm pretty sure in universe 5 to 8% Izuku is barely scraping Wall level.
Also when was Iida shown to destroy a 1 Pointer in one shot, last I check the manga didn't show the robot and we don't know if he fought it off screen a bit.
Actually where did Mirio say he can't destroy a wall. When did Izuku destroy any walls without his Iron Soles on. Movies do not count.
I disagree with downscaling Mirio in any way shape or form, how is it that we can live in a world where someone hurts another with his punches say they don't scale. You can't use that wall thing as an excuse unless you want to downgrade him to 9-C or something, you can't have it any other way.
Since that's saying he isn't wall level, though I'm pretty sure in universe 5 to 8% Izuku is barely scraping Wall level.
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That sounds hilarious wth
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Ah wait, I sound horrible there.
Sorry about that I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm not doing so great lately. I'm log off and might about this tomorrow or something, discuss without me I don't want to hold anything up.
Sorry about that I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm not doing so great lately. I'm log off and might about this tomorrow or something, discuss without me I don't want to hold anything up.
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Hmmmm. It seems because of copyright law changes in Japan, leaks might show up far less now. I guess we're just gonna have to wait for the officials to drop from now on.
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Endeavor and Shigaraki are quite different though. Endeavor pushed Shigaraki mid air and surprise attacked him. Overhaul saw Deku and was crouched with 3 limbs on the floor and still got launched.
Assuming they didn't show the bot in the entrance exam then that's an even better feet for him since it could've been a 2 point or 3 pointer which are stronger.
If Mirio could destroy the walls he'd have escaped with Eri. Deku literally breaks walls without using the toes of his soles (the only part that does the double hit). What do you mean movies don't count? Aren't you the same person who made a whole post about why the movies are canon and we should accept the feats?
I'm just saying Mirio should downscale a bit since he's portrayed as weaker for not breaking the walls and his punch having less of an effect than Deku's.
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It's ok catch you later
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Obligatory comment about how things would be more consistent if we don't include the movies.
Anyways, when was it exactly shown or stated that Mirio can't break walls down again?
It could also be just a transfer of energy thing, since Mirio's arm may not be as hard as say Kirishima's with Hardening or Deku amped with OFA. I remember stuff like that it my physics class. Like you can dent a wall with iron knuckles but not without it.
Since it's flesh vs flesh and bone vs bone Mirio's punches have comparable effect to Chisaki's as Deku's punches did.
I doubt Bakugo can punch through walls with his fists but he can hurt 5% Deku.
I dunno correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyways, when was it exactly shown or stated that Mirio can't break walls down again?
It could also be just a transfer of energy thing, since Mirio's arm may not be as hard as say Kirishima's with Hardening or Deku amped with OFA. I remember stuff like that it my physics class. Like you can dent a wall with iron knuckles but not without it.
Since it's flesh vs flesh and bone vs bone Mirio's punches have comparable effect to Chisaki's as Deku's punches did.
I doubt Bakugo can punch through walls with his fists but he can hurt 5% Deku.
I dunno correct me if I'm wrong.
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I mean Mirio doesn't have super strength, as a super power. At most he has enhanced strength like most MHA characters who don't have super strength as part of their quirk description but have feats of high physical strength. Like Aizawa can launch people over 20 meters away with raw strength and swing multiple adults mid-air but I doubt he's counted as having super-strength in-universe, he's more like an action movie hero and I think it's the same for Mirio.
I don't expect him to get the same strength feats as Deku. However I'd say 5% and 8% didn't have a huge strength boost at least in the anime as Todoroki, Bakugo & even Stain tanked 5% hits. However the speed boost does seem considerable especially for 8%.
I don't expect him to get the same strength feats as Deku. However I'd say 5% and 8% didn't have a huge strength boost at least in the anime as Todoroki, Bakugo & even Stain tanked 5% hits. However the speed boost does seem considerable especially for 8%.
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You know you say that but as we go on I'm really starting to consider advocating for movie profiles even though they're canon.
The fact that Mirio chose to stand and fight rather than kick down a wall and escape seems pretty telling to me. Plus Nighteye and Aizawa consistently relied on Deku to break down the walls rather than doing it themselves.
So Mirio is around as strong as 8% but can't handle the same amount of force he can?
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Iida seemingly oneshot a 3 pointer
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Could Mirio really have escaped even if he kicked down a wall? With Chisaki casually creating and enclosed space with his quirk, I highly doubt Mirio could've escaped even if he could break the walls down.
Mirio doesn't have particularly fast movement speed if he's not using Permeation. Chisaki can probably catch up with Overhaul real quick regardless.
I don't think I can explain this correctly, but basically, Mirio can harm characters with High 8-C durability because the force of his punches would transfer better on targets made of flesh than hard targets like walls. I believe that if Kirishima hardened his abs he would've been able to withstand that punch from Mirio.
I suck at physics so I can't explain it properly, should ask other people's takes on this lol
Movie stuff is too controversial a topic, which is understandbale as they are explicitly described to be canon, although barely referenced in the manga (Nine's life is truly pain). Even though I believe we've all thought about and even discussed what a separate profiles would look like.
Mirio doesn't have particularly fast movement speed if he's not using Permeation. Chisaki can probably catch up with Overhaul real quick regardless.
I don't think I can explain this correctly, but basically, Mirio can harm characters with High 8-C durability because the force of his punches would transfer better on targets made of flesh than hard targets like walls. I believe that if Kirishima hardened his abs he would've been able to withstand that punch from Mirio.
I suck at physics so I can't explain it properly, should ask other people's takes on this lol
Movie stuff is too controversial a topic, which is understandbale as they are explicitly described to be canon, although barely referenced in the manga (Nine's life is truly pain). Even though I believe we've all thought about and even discussed what a separate profiles would look like.
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Keep in mind that the only reason Mirio injured him in the first place was that he hit him in his weak spot. His solar plexus, which can't be scaled to his full durability.
Chisaki's arm being heavily bruised by both fighters just means that he's immensely weaker than both of them. And did I ever say Deku's punch was stronger? No, I did not. I said that both fighters being able to heavily bruise him would just mean that Chisaki is far weaker than them physically.
You're gonna have to say he's equal to 8% (which there's no evidence of) or downscale him. Either way, he definitely shouldn't be stronger.
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Well, I just read Vigilantes. I don't think there's any new quantifiable feats for All Might unfortunately, even though it's Prime Might.
He just did a lot of things while his pillow was in mid-air in an unknown altitude, reminiscent of the Sky Egg arc.
He just did a lot of things while his pillow was in mid-air in an unknown altitude, reminiscent of the Sky Egg arc.
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It wasn't even a implication, Deku was just explaining how the Iron Soles worked. We have seen Deku easily destroy walls with the lower part of his Iron Soles, which doesn't increase the power of his kicks.
The Iron Soles' mechanism simply perform a second hit with Deku's own power, so saying 5% is barely Wall level in the manga is a massive understatement.
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