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Radio Waves+Air Cannon messes up technology although I might be reaching with that so maybe he did use a straight up EMP. Yup it's just surveillance I'm guessing cause he can't think to use a quirk without getting killed
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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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Okay I read it again, I still think it's best to wait for officials though but from what I get,
AFO Shiggy used radio waves to bring down the surveillance system and this includes the stuff that was monitoring AFO's real body underground. The reap AFO then let off an EMP attack since now he won't get shot after activating his quirks. And one can see the electricity cones from his door first. So basically it's 2 versions of him working together.
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Shigaraki's Radio Waves were shown to work as an EMP when he took out the Heroes' communications. Though it's possible he just has an EMP type Quirk, though I'm certain that AFO from the inside took out the power to the place after the initial EMP. We see a large electric blast come out from a prison door right after the surveillance went out, he then mentions this is possible due to the shared consciousness they posses.
Also remember that it hasn't been shown if it's possible to suppress a person's Quirk, unless it's a weakness of the Quirk itself. Erasure is a big deal since it's the only thing, sans the bullets, that could shut down a person's Quirk. A lot of people are just being held at gun point, as AFO said his brain waves are being monitored and even the slightest thought of activating a Quirk and they'll kill him.
Without the surveillance they can use their Quirk without fear of being killed.
Also remember that it hasn't been shown if it's possible to suppress a person's Quirk, unless it's a weakness of the Quirk itself. Erasure is a big deal since it's the only thing, sans the bullets, that could shut down a person's Quirk. A lot of people are just being held at gun point, as AFO said his brain waves are being monitored and even the slightest thought of activating a Quirk and they'll kill him.
Without the surveillance they can use their Quirk without fear of being killed.
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Here is my CRT, tackling several of the Pro Heroes first: https://vsbattles.com/threads/my-hero-academia-scaling-revisions-pro-hero-edition.111358/
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It's just strange that a villain like AFO with at least 7-C durability (no hate I know revisions are put on hold for this dude) would be threatened by guns unless they are really strong ******* guns lol.
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Honestly, I'll say this mentality is probably because of the power scaling mentality. I'd say Hori is pretty clear on which abilities characters have. Quirks is one of most rigid power systems there is.
If you don't have a durability quirk like hardening, you are not going to have bulletproof skin. There might be some outliers here and there like OFA but I bet 99% of the verse including top heroes are susceptible to bullets, knives, etc. They just have high blunt force durability due to anime/manga logic but any sharp or piercing weapon is a threat.
AFO doesn't have Ujiko body modifications like Nomus so he's just an ordinary human by MHA standards in base. He'd have to activate stat boosting quirks or durability quirks to actually be bulletproof.
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I posted this on another thread but I'm posting it here so it gets more coverage.
After doing some research and I found something iffy about this calculation. To start with, it wasn't because of their clash that the building collapsed, it was Six blowing his arm up which destroyed some of the walls. He quite literally stated, "All I gotta do to make my escape is blow up these walls and you along with them." So we can't really say Knuckle Duster performed half of the feat.
Not only that, the building was already extremely weakened via Knuckle Dusters bombing of the roof. It's likely that with Six's arm imploding the building would've gone down easily due to it's already weakened structure.
Additionally, it is not known whether Knuckle Duster survived the explosion/building collapsing or not, since apparently, this was his last appearance. So it can't be argued that his durability scales to the explosion or even the collapse of the building. Six even stated in my quote above that he intended for the explosion to take him out.
Everyone is free to express their thoughts on this.
After doing some research and I found something iffy about this calculation. To start with, it wasn't because of their clash that the building collapsed, it was Six blowing his arm up which destroyed some of the walls. He quite literally stated, "All I gotta do to make my escape is blow up these walls and you along with them." So we can't really say Knuckle Duster performed half of the feat.
Not only that, the building was already extremely weakened via Knuckle Dusters bombing of the roof. It's likely that with Six's arm imploding the building would've gone down easily due to it's already weakened structure.
Additionally, it is not known whether Knuckle Duster survived the explosion/building collapsing or not, since apparently, this was his last appearance. So it can't be argued that his durability scales to the explosion or even the collapse of the building. Six even stated in my quote above that he intended for the explosion to take him out.
Everyone is free to express their thoughts on this.
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Yeah, I noticed that too.
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I agree with all of this.
KD didn't just bomb the roof but the explosion was powerful enough to destroy three floors.
He also mentions that one more explosion from his bombs would collapse the building.
Six's max explosion should be the primary cause, there's no reason KD's punches would contribute to the destruction of that building.
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Pretty much. And because of this, we have to downgrade Aizawa, Tomura, most of the main members of the LOV, and pretty much anyone else who scales to the LOV or KD. I'm pretty sure a decent amount of people agree with the semi-downgrade anyway, so we'll just be waiting for @Therefir opinion.
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Another thing, KD did survive one explosion from Six, point blank most likely (you can argue he tried to escape), and was capable of fighting afterwards. It's the same fight, you can check it out but I'm not sure where that puts his durability.
The explosion is most certainly not on the same level of Six's max explosion that levelled the building though.
The explosion is most certainly not on the same level of Six's max explosion that levelled the building though.
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The explosion seemed like it was at least decently high into 9-B. So I guess KD's durability is 9-B maybe, which would end up scaling to Aizawa.
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So I'm curious, can someone label some of the contradiction in the Ultra Analysis 2 book? We don't use them because the stats are unreliable, but I'm curious in how true that is.
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Uraraka has higher power than Mirio for. Deku has equal power to Re Destro. Bakugo is as skilled as Re Destro. iirc Momo has equal intelligence to AFO.
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Well, it depends. Because the ratings can have different meanings at times. For example, the "power" rating can have different meanings outside of physical strength or lifting strength. It could mean an extremely haxxed quirk or something.
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Where is it stated the ratings have different meaning in the book?
And I don't think people on the same number should be treated as comparable. How about treating it like power levels in dragon ball, the number is unreliable but it tells you when someone is stronger. A 4 is stronger than a 3, but two 5 shouldn't be equal to each other.
And I don't think people on the same number should be treated as comparable. How about treating it like power levels in dragon ball, the number is unreliable but it tells you when someone is stronger. A 4 is stronger than a 3, but two 5 shouldn't be equal to each other.
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So Uraraka is stronger than Mirio?
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Why not, was she stated to be weaker? Yakuza Arc Uraraka isn't the same as the one in the second book.
The first book has her weaker than Mirio, which is shown in universe.
Though like Earthyboy said, they could be referring to her Quirk.
The first book has her weaker than Mirio, which is shown in universe.
Though like Earthyboy said, they could be referring to her Quirk.
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It's not stated, but you can infer. Someone like Bakugo isn't as strong as Todoroki, even at his max output, but his quirk is considered to be extremely strong. Moreover, Izuku, despite having One for All has extremely low strength and speed statistics. It can basically refer to different categories of strength sometimes.
Going back to Uraraka statistics. Her quirk would be extremely broken in the right situation. She can lift objects that weigh many tons easily and throw them large distances. Mirio obviously hasn't shown such Lifting Strength outside of just using his own quirk's momentum.
Although, most of this is an educated guess, so it's still up in the air on what the ratings actually represent.
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Why can we infer that, can you provide an example?
The ratings are rather confusing, but what about speed?
The ratings are rather confusing, but what about speed?
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I'm gonna quickly list some more
- Dabi is weaker than Shouto in spite of having better feats and on panel stomping Shouto
- Endeavor is faster than Hood
- Geten has lower technique than Bakugou even though his quirk finesse is some of the best we've seen
- Geten has a blatant on panel multi city block level feat but is weaker than Bakugo
- Tomura is slower than Bakugo, Izuku and Aizawa
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1. Dabi was still holding back when this book was revealed, he never fought Shoto.
2. You're right about that, damn that's bad.
3. Geten technique isn't that great, he's floating ice and making it into shapes. It's honestly rather basic to me, Bakugo is far more creative with his powers.
4. In universe Bakugo would be able to fight Geten, if the author himself puts rates him there then I'm incline to believe it. (Note: I'm not saying Bakugo should scale to Geten, don't take that as me being serious)
5. Once again you're right, also Shigaraki got slower for some reason too right?
2. You're right about that, damn that's bad.
3. Geten technique isn't that great, he's floating ice and making it into shapes. It's honestly rather basic to me, Bakugo is far more creative with his powers.
4. In universe Bakugo would be able to fight Geten, if the author himself puts rates him there then I'm incline to believe it. (Note: I'm not saying Bakugo should scale to Geten, don't take that as me being serious)
5. Once again you're right, also Shigaraki got slower for some reason too right?
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I kind of listed a few examples like with Bakugo and Todoroki, but I guess you could just see it as, physically, Uraraka is weaker than Mirio, but her quirk has a lot of potential in terms of lifting strength over Mirio.
Speed also can vary, because as it's shown in the first databook Izuku's stats are hilariously low compared to what they would be with One for All. It can be referring to base speed, quirk speed, or reaction speed.
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- Dabi fought an 8A character and came away untouched
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- I'll concede that
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- Yeah I honestly don't get how that happened
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Actually, in the first book Shigaraki was more or less equal to 8% Izuku or Bakugo in terms of speed, if not slightly above. Which for some reason is consistent with our ratings.
There's also something that I'd like to mention that supports my statement about different categories/meanings of power. You notice how Tomura has an S+ in terms of power, despite being nowhere near as physically as powerful as All Might or 100% Izuku. It's probably talking about his quirk here, which also doesn't rely on physical strength. This basically supports my theory that power can mean other definitions other than physical and lifting strength.
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I'd also like to clarify that the databooks, despite having inconsistencies obviously have some sort of consistent scaling. For example, Muscular is rated as an S in terms of power in the second databook, which would make sense given how he somehow struggled with a 100% Izuku.
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So there's consistency but a weird one
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Yeah, basically. The data books can be considered accurate with some inconsistencies but it depends on how you look at them.
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Huh nice.
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I doubt that even Izuku having an A+ in power would be a ridiculous thing to have. The calculation which put 20% Izuku at 8-B has flaws in it anyway and needs to be recalculated.
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What flaws?
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Really? What's wrong with it?
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The "tornado" that Izuku generated with a kick isn't actually spinning and it's more so the camera just blowing wind into our faces. Even the dust cloud which was measured isn't spinning.
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But the wind is spinning, there's a shockwave, then the air begins to rotate as it gets closer to the camera.
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The wind isn't actually spinning, and the shockwave is probably just Izuku's kick breaking the sound barrier. The air may seem like it's rotating but it's just actually coming towards the camera for the most part.
Even assuming that it was actually rotating, we would have to calculate the air spinning instead of the giant dust cloud, because the dust cloud isn't even spinning, to begin with.
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The dust cloud has to be spinning, or Izuku is telekinetic and can move the air with his mind?
The energy came from his kick, it's impossible to cause the wind in the camera to spin without making air next to him spin. It's just an animation error in that case, it doesn't have to spin. Maybe that deserves it's own thread but the feat is uncalcable and 20% would be baseline 8-B.
Though at the rate we're going 8% might go back to baseline 8-C again.
The energy came from his kick, it's impossible to cause the wind in the camera to spin without making air next to him spin. It's just an animation error in that case, it doesn't have to spin. Maybe that deserves it's own thread but the feat is uncalcable and 20% would be baseline 8-B.
Though at the rate we're going 8% might go back to baseline 8-C again.
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No, if you look at the dust cloud itself, it is not spinning. It's mostly stationary for the most part. You can look at the video for yourself.
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Animation error, your not suppose to focus on that in the movie. Why would they animate that, don't animate it and save time.
How would Izuku's kick cause that wind to spin in the first place, is he magic? Logically he has to make everything spin, his kick can't warp space.
I have the movie on my computer, you don't need to link anything.
How would Izuku's kick cause that wind to spin in the first place, is he magic? Logically he has to make everything spin, his kick can't warp space.
I have the movie on my computer, you don't need to link anything.
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So now it's an animation error? Weren't you previously saying the dust cloud was moving? The wind wasn't spinning to begin with. For a second it looks like it's spinning, until it starts to come from multiple angles.
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