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CorrectIf I remember this correctly he only used the radio waves against Endeavor and Star and the jets
Where are these % for afo shigaraki coming from
Why? He needs a new key but At least 7-A. Prime All Might has no reason to scale to 100% Izuku who almost ripped of Shigaraki's jaw.Yep, we need to make a new High 7-A key for 97-98% AFO Shigaraki
Faux 100% requires the combined kinetic energy of several of 45% Deku's kicks plus Blackwhip.
So it's pretty obvious to me that Faux 100% is easily High 7-A based on what is required for its use.
Well yeah he is but as we’ve seen AM isn’t some super OP god. Endeavor doesn’t get one tapped by someone who’s rivalling prime AM physically.Always felt like narratively Prime AM is implied to be > Tiamat missiles. Shigaraki is able to survive high power lasers from the jets, Miruko and Hawks are stated to be much faster than futuristic planes, and Prime AM is stated to be the world’s greatest hero
Man you could’ve just said Prime All Might shouldn’t be High 7-A and I’d understandWhy? He needs a new key but At least 7-A. Prime All Might has no reason to scale to 100% Izuku who almost ripped of Shigaraki's jaw.
There is no High 7-A feat, that level only belongs to Izuku until something new happens. Such as Shigaraki new strength being on par with 100% or something, but that is speculation we cannot make. Nor can we assuming Current 100% and Prime All Might are equal to each other.
Izuku implied that Faux 100% is on par with All Might. "What I'm capable of now is on par with you at 100 percent, and no recoil to boot!"
Note: Izuku meaning Faux 100% or not isn't the point, nor is the point of him being right or wrong. If he is wrong than obvious we have no reason to assume Prime All Might is stronger. Instead At least 7-A is a fine rating, unless new information comes out to change it.
If he is right, that only means Faux 100% is on par with Prime All Might and that doesn't mean 100% is on par with All Might. Faux 100% could just be comparable but weaker, Izuku's 100% is baseline High 7-A or 1 GT. Anything weaker would automatically be 7-A.
Regardless of what you believe, Shigaraki cannot be High 7-A with are current knowledge. The only thing that is High 7-A almost ripped his jaw off, and we have no reason to believe he can withstand those attacks without much damage. Not until we actually have scaling to go off of.
The gap between 638 MT is far too big to upscale either. The difference is over 1.5X, and not allowed for upscaling. So At least 7-A for a new key of Shigaraki.
I know we're waiting regardless, but I want to make this clear. Shigaraki will not be High 7-A based on the information we have, as Prime All Might will no longer be High 7-A either. Unless someone can provide factual evidence that Prime All Might is equal or stronger than current 100% Izuku.
Jaku Shigaraki is weaker than both Prime All Might and 100%, but that doesn't mean Prime All Might and 100% are equals either. Even just a 1 percent difference would make Prime All Might 7-A and not High 7-A. Unless you can prove without a doubt that they're dead equal, Prime All Might has no reason to scale to current 100%.
That isn't something I considered, I admit you got me there. It makes sense to me as well, surprised I didn't realize something so simple.Faux 100% requires the combined kinetic energy of several of 45% Deku's kicks plus Blackwhip.
So it's pretty obvious to me that Faux 100% is easily High 7-A based on what is required for its use.
Shigaraki is not stated to be stronger during the fight with Star and Stripe and we have no reason to believe he was. Him being almost fused with AFO doesn't mean much of anything, as he did not showcase anything to suggest he was physically stronger.Why does shigaraki not have a new key for the star and stripe arc? He was stated to be stronger then before and it’s a new arc entirely, a new key is 100% warranted
Man you could’ve just said Prime All Might shouldn’t be High 7-A and I’d understand
Prime All Might was only High 7-A via scaling to 100% Izuku almost ripping off Shigaraki's Jaw and being superior to the Heroes Rising feat. But obviously Izuku's current 100% is superior to All Might's and shouldn't scale. All Might will lose his High 7-A and will become At least 7-A.
That’s not how the power works though. The energy built up is not the combined power of several of his kicks it’s just energy from motion. Nothing ever says it’s the power of several 45% attacks rolled into one shot.Faux 100% requires the combined kinetic energy of several of 45% Deku's kicks plus Blackwhip.
So it's pretty obvious to me that Faux 100% is easily High 7-A based on what is required for its use.
And that energy from motion is baseline 7-A+, what's your point?That’s not how the power works though. The energy built up is not the combined power of several of his kicks it’s just energy from motion. Nothing ever says it’s the power of several 45% attacks rolled into one shot.
The fact that Deku can build that motion by extending his legs and not get launched like a dozen meters is implying he isn’t kicking full force.And that energy from motion is baseline 7-A+, what's your point?
I didn't notice that, you're right. I think it makes sense too because One For All canonically grows stronger with each userI did, it seems like you didn't notice, so I decided a different approach was necessary.
wasnt he literally stated to be stronger then AFO during that fightShigaraki is not stated to be stronger during the fight with Star and Stripe and we have no reason to believe he was. Him being almost fused with AFO doesn't mean much of anything, as he did not showcase anything to suggest he was physically stronger.
That still doesn’t mean he grew any stronger.wasnt he literally stated to be stronger then AFO during that fight
We had the as strong as AM statements as far back as when Ujiko said his statement though. He’s most likely somewhat weaker than AM but these people can’t tell cause the difference isn’t big at all.Shiggy went from Ujiko claiming he’s not quite as strong as All Might to every source in history saying he is on the level of Prime All Might.
Clearly he got stronger unless the doctor was just off his rocker when he made that statement.
Go home Ujiko your drunkClearly he got stronger unless the doctor was just off his rocker when he made that statement.
I was just arguing that he doesn’t need a tier jump. A new key is definitely in order.I mean if the main argument here is whether he needs a new key or not, he does. His tier is irrelevant. He’s displaying new abilities like his growth that he trained for and did not have a month prior during the war. Trying to merge current Tomura and PLF War Tomura is just disingenuous imo
I mean even if Wounded AM (like his second key or before USJ) is only 1.1x stronger the USJ AM (which is likely, he does confirm he gets much weaker With his limit) then a 1.5x boost from that would be 1.65x x 636.9 or 1.049 GT (Of course, this is fun and games, likely never gonna actually be accepted)I was just arguing that he doesn’t need a tier jump. A new key is definitely in order.
helllllllllll yeahWe need a scene of Shiggy changing the weather with a punch
7A for GT works I guess. Maybe his durability is like Invincible logic. Sometimes he gets donut punch sometimes he just takes lots of damageIn terms of durability I think Gran Torino might downscale as well. When he was grappling with Shigaraki, and Endeavor was coming I think Shigaraki hit him in the stomach. You can see that there is another force different from Shigaraki's jump that seems to be hitting Gran Torino in the stomach.
However I have no idea what to label him, Shigaraki punches through him as well. I don't think he is as durable as Endeavor and 45% who are baseline 7-A+. Though maybe the fact Gran Torino was laying on the ground instead of being in the air helped out there? Maybe baseline 7-A (100 MT)?
I don't know how Impact Recoil works, since it seem to effect All Might's arm before he hit Gran Torino. So maybe something happened which made Gran Torino take less damage.
This makes more sense to me. Wasn't Deku basically just doing some stretching to build up Fa Jin during the Nagant fight?That’s not how the power works though. The energy built up is not the combined power of several of his kicks it’s just energy from motion. Nothing ever says it’s the power of several 45% attacks rolled into one shot.
The description of fa-Jin is literally “energy stored from repeated motions that can be released later.” It’s energy from 45%‘s movement, and no he wasn’t just doing leg stretches, he used blackwhip to throw out distractions from four separate corners at the same time (using 45%’s strength), and then went into the building we see him jump out from to run up it (told in the extras of Vol 32 I believe)This makes more sense to me. Wasn't Deku basically just doing some stretching to build up Fa Jin during the Nagant fight?
Inb4 7-A leg stretches?
He basically was doing stretches as he flexes and extends his legs but doesn’t alter his position in the air plus his first use of Fa Jin is from squats.The description of fa-Jin is literally “energy stored from repeated motions that can be released later.” It’s energy from 45%‘s movement, and no he wasn’t just doing leg stretches, he used blackwhip to throw out distractions from four separate corners at the same time (using 45%’s strength), and then went into the building we see him jump out from to run up it (told in the extras of Vol 32 I believe)
His first use was a squat yes, but that doesn’t mean the rest of them were? If he was using Fa-Jin to store energy I don’t think he would waste the opportunity to get much more energy from Fa-Jin uses.He basically was doing stretches as he flexes and extends his legs but doesn’t alter his position in the air plus his first use of Fa Jin is from squats.
We see him do squats then get ready for his distraction. Nothing suggests he did any more after that. On top of this we don’t actually know if the force of the movement even matters. It just says: energy from repeated movements, not: the stronger the action the more the force.His first use was a squat yes, but that doesn’t mean the rest of them were? If he was using Fa-Jin to store energy I don’t think he would waste the opportunity to get much more energy from Fa-Jin uses.