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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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@Earthyboy You really shouldn't use the guide books as they're too vague and rather inconsistent. For example are the ratings an over all within the verse or is it in specific groups (Is Deku as strong as Re Destro cause they're both A+ or is Re Destro A+ relative to villains and heroes and Deku is A+ relative to other students)? Are ratings for power their maximum or just their normal levels (like Deku has A+ is that his 100% or 20%)? Shouto has equal power to AFO as an example of an inconsistency.
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This is off-topic, but I have a few questions about some of the AP ratings.
Why is Bakugou 8-A when knocking down Shigaraki, someone with Low 7-B+ durability, is in his AP justification? Todoroki is also 8-A despite his justification being him pushing Shigaraki. And why is Kirishima only 8-B for damaging a “casual Gigantomachia” when Machia is tiered at 8-A at his lowest?
Why is Bakugou 8-A when knocking down Shigaraki, someone with Low 7-B+ durability, is in his AP justification? Todoroki is also 8-A despite his justification being him pushing Shigaraki. And why is Kirishima only 8-B for damaging a “casual Gigantomachia” when Machia is tiered at 8-A at his lowest?
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Honestly, it could either be talking about power in terms of quirk strength, or physical power. It depends. And this is supported thanks to the previous guide which listed all of Izuku's physical stats at an E (which is obviously his base without One For All) so honestly, it could be talking about quirk strength sometimes, or physical strength.
And honestly, some of these ratings should make sense if I choose to disclose some calculations I did off-site, but that's like spoilers and for another time.
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Nether Bakugo nor Todoroki should have that on their profile, that makes no sense. Kirishima is 8-B since his surface area is far lower than Machia's, he doesn't need to equal Machia's Dura to pierce his skin, (Mosquito and a Human for example) Kirishima should be baseline 8-B for being superior to his previous High 8-C+ self.
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@TheRustyOne Even discounting the ratings there's still a plethora of reasons on why Mirio isn't above 8% Full Cowl.
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I'm not bringing that up, why are you even saying this. Do I literally need to say I'm not talking about Mirio scaling or something, my god.
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Since we're not getting anywhere right now and Earthy is still working on the CRT lets end this talk of Mirio and Deku for now.
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That seems rational.
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I don’t see why Kirishima’s surface area would have anything to do with his AP, and sure he doesn’t need to equal Machia’s durability, but being baseline 8-B (11 tons) in comparison to Machia’s 8-A (over 163.9 tons) dura? That’s almost a 15x difference, he shouldn’t be able to harm Machia at all if he’s that much weaker than him.
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A Mosquito is far more than 15x weaker than you and can pierce your skin with it's needle, that's surface area. Kirishima's fingers are already sharpened in his Unbreakable form, and the size difference between them is massive. So no Kirishima doesn't scale to Machia, who is actually over 200 Tons at his weakest.
Actually a Mosquito has an AP of 0.00000025 Joules if it charges with it's entire body weight.
Actually a Mosquito has an AP of 0.00000025 Joules if it charges with it's entire body weight.
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Then Machia shouldn’t even be mentioned in his AP justification if that’s the case.
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I'm impressed you could get the energy value of a mosquito.
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Yes he shouldn't, I need to bring that up to Therefir when he's online. He should be 8-B via being stronger than his High 8-C+ self.
I mean all you need is the weight of a Mosquito which people have calculated already, and then you find it speed, which people have already calculated as well. Note that the energy from it's sting should be even less than that, since this is the KE of it's entire body weight.
I mean all you need is the weight of a Mosquito which people have calculated already, and then you find it speed, which people have already calculated as well. Note that the energy from it's sting should be even less than that, since this is the KE of it's entire body weight.
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Huh interesting I didn't consider that method at all. Btw Kirishima and Deku probably shouldn't have Building level+ AP since it's just upscaling 9A+ to baseline 8C then higher.
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Wait what?
I didn't notice that, why is that even a thing? I feel stupid right now.
I didn't notice that, why is that even a thing? I feel stupid right now.
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Well, upscaling is allowed as long as it’s a 1.5 difference or lower. Also Midoriya’s 8-C+ comes from an actual calc he has on that level, and Kirishima’s is from scaling to Midoriya.
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No he's talking about Base Izuku and Kirishima, basically it's them without using their powers.
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Lmao guess we're both dumb cause it literally just clicked in my head that it makes no sense
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Base Midoriya isn’t 8-C+ though. Neither is Kirishima. They’re both 8-C, no plus.
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I just changed it that's why, I corrected that mistake.
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their war arc bases were. you weren't reading the right key.
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I was, I read through all of their keys. @TheRustyOne just fixed it before I read through.
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Why is Kirishima's 8C+ rating (in his UA beginnings) justified by him fighting with Bakugou? He only ever harmed him by a scratch. Also JT arc Kirisgima should be 8C+ since the Ojiro feat he scales to is 1.7 tons.
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I'm pretty sure Kirishima would've injured Bakugo had the punch landed, he wouldn't be dodging otherwise. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to tell Bakugo didn't want Kirishima to land a direct hit on him.
Ojiro and Kirishima are High 8-C since that 1.7 Tons feat was done by a injured/weakened Ojiro. So even being slightly stronger than that is baseline High 8-C.
Ojiro and Kirishima are High 8-C since that 1.7 Tons feat was done by a injured/weakened Ojiro. So even being slightly stronger than that is baseline High 8-C.
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Fair enough.
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claps to the madman himself for confirming that he no longer actually needs his limbs thanks to black whip and float
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If it's fine, we should probably add some RT's to the profiles, since Gran Torino has one.
Here's Izuku's. There's more but you can Google search them.
Here's Izuku's. There's more but you can Google search them.
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that respect thread is out of date and inaccurate in some areas, especially in durability
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Unfortunately a lot of respect threads are out of date for MHA especially Endeavor’s
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Did you mean their Striking Strength or do you really mean their Attack Potency?
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Striking Strength*
I still wonder why Endeavor has unknown striking strength since he can propel his punches with Hellflame
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So "X Class SS" in general or does it have to mention "when propelled with Hellflame" or something?
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It would probably have to be when propelled with Hellflame since Endeavor usually doesn’t throw punches unless they’re propelled but you can make the case for it being in general
Since he could punch and damage one Hospital High End he punched in the head(Probably an 8-A feat)
On a side note people keep sleeping in the fact that Dabi slightly hurt Hawks when he stomped on his head that could also be worth a striking strength rating
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AP as well. Some characters quirk is just nothing pure hax like Uraraka for example
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I don’t recall Endeavor harming anyone without his flames unless you mean the head tentacle guy.
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Yeah the head tentacle Nomu although Endeavor Coated has hand in flames to finish it off after the blow landed the raw hit still damaged it before hand unless I’m recalling the scene poorly.
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