Mundus (Beasthead Timeline) Vs The Dawn Machine - Battle for 5th Strongest 2-C

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Law Manip would only affect 3D-4D cross-section of Mundus...if it can interact with its NEP/AE1.

Rest of Mundus will remain unaffected.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Law Manip would only affect 3D-4D cross-section of Mundus...if it can interact with its NEP/AE1.

And acausality type 4, an ability listed in the Law Manipulation page as a counter to law manipulation, and coming from the fact demons don't have to follow the laws of the world.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Yeah... so NEP, AE1, HDE and resistances if the hax even manages to touch every aspect of Mundus.

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

well i will vote mundus because of his passive hax,resistance almost hax of tdm and have ae1,acausality type 4 and hde 9-D with can prevent tdm use law on him

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Just for clarification:

*the machine has a higher range than mundus, from what I remember it can definitely affect non existent guys and acausality type 4 isn't new to it either.

*Mundus "omnipresence" is like the size of a castle, that is literally useless.

*Mundus whole NEP/AE is kinda wacky and I don't really know how we deal with that since he lacks the stuff that would give him AE but that likely needs its own thread since everything that PoC dropped and the new NEP revisions have changed a lot.

*Machine passive law hax = baseline
Machine active law hax >>> baseline
Mundus resistance to law = baseline

@Efl_gae Resisting mind manip =/= resisting law manip

*Leaving that aside and the fact that Mundus doesn't have a soul and hence shouldn't have the HDE stuff so no weird range needed, the machine has no answer to Mundus passive hax that goes from soul, to mind, to info, to concept on levels higher than its resistances.

Also, Dante would have won this

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

Just for clarification:

*the machine has a higher range than mundus, from what I remember it can definitely affect non existent guys and acausality type 4 isn't new to it either.

*Mundus "omnipresence" is like the size of a castle, that is literally useless.

*Mundus whole NEP/AE is kinda wacky and I don't really know how we deal with that since he lacks the stuff that would give him AE but that likely needs its own thread since everything that PoC dropped and the new NEP revisions have changed a lot.

*Machine passive law hax = baseline
Machine active law hax >>> baseline
Mundus resistance to law = baseline

@Efl_gae Resisting mind manip =/= resisting law manip

*Leaving that aside and the fact that Mundus doesn't have a soul and hence shouldn't have the HDE stuff so no weird range needed, the machine has no answer to Mundus passive hax that goes from soul, to mind, to info, to concept on levels higher than its resistances.

Also, Dante would have won this

so in summary mundus can still take this fight huh,about dante he doesn't have many passive hax like mundus so how can he deal with the law manip of tdm? just curious though

 

[Sevil Natas]

Mundus doesn't have a soul and hence shouldn't have the HDE stuff so no weird range needed

that isnt even accepted......

 

[Random-Helper323]

Where does Mundus not having a soul come from? Anyway, if the Dawn Machine negs acausality and non-existence, which was sort of implied in its page but never directly attached to its law manipulation then we can scratch them. But the abstract existence and higher dimensional existence should still work. And even without them you just said yourself that Mundus resists until the Machine pushes harder, while Mundus' passive hax has already paralysed it, made it terrified, corroded it, transmuted it, corrupted it and given it diseases. So it does sound like Mundus wins either way. By the way, how would Dante have won this match?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

*the machine has a higher range than mundus, from what I remember it can definitely affect non existent guys and acausality type 4 isn't new to it either.

That "Longer range" is only applicable on a 3D/4D lvl. Rest of the 6 or 5axes are still unaffected.

*Mundus "omnipresence" is like the size of a castle, that is literally useless.

Mundus has 2 Omnipresences. One for castle and one for Nexus.

*Mundus whole NEP/AE is kinda wacky and I don't really know how we deal with that since he lacks the stuff that would give him AE but that likely needs its own thread since everything that PoC dropped and the new NEP revisions have changed a lot.

His existence is more incorporeal than normal souls, even Dante thinks its special that he can interact with Mundus. So it will be even harder for for Machine to touch Mundus with his haxxes.

Leaving that aside and the fact that Mundus doesn't have a soul and hence shouldn't have the HDE stuff

Uhh no, just because he may not have a soul( which isn't accepted afaik) doesn't mean he loses HDE, since his underlying existence behind soul would still be same size.
Also Mundus being 3D while normal demons are still 9D is bigger gae then @EFÍTÉ

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

The soul thing was accepted in whatever thread gave him NEP, otherwise we wouldn't have got it in the first place but if you guys are so insistent we can make another one.

how would Dante have won this match?

He resist, adapts, moves and just needs to tap the machine once :v

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

The soul thing was accepted in whatever thread gave him NEP,

And you are telling me this now?

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

so what now, do mundus win though

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

so what now, do mundus win though

yes

Someone tag the OP

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

@Deceived

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[Deceived3596]

yes

Someone tag the OP

Does DM have any-form of a win-con?

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

well his only win-con is law manip now can be resist by the hde and ae1 stuff so no

 

[Random-Helper323]

Given that it's a battle for 5th strongest 2C and the Machine currently holds that title, even if it was a stomp that'd hardly warrant closing it and keeping the Dawn Machine in that place, since it clearly doesn't deserve that position over Mundus. By that logic we could list Saitama as the haxiest character and declare every match against him a hax stomp in the other character's favour and thereby ironically keep him listed as the haxiest character.

 

[Deceived3596]

well his only win-con is law manip now can be resist by the hde and ae1 stuff so no

Alright then'll have a mod close this thread given this is a stomp in Mundus's favor.

Given that it's a battle for 5th strongest 2C and the Machine currently holds that title, even if it was a stomp that'd hardly warrant closing it and keeping the Dawn Machine in that place, since it clearly doesn't deserve that position over Mundus. By that logic we could list Saitama as the haxiest character and declare every match against him a hax stomp in the other character's favour and thereby ironically keep him listed as the haxiest character.

What're you talking about? Mundus's is taking DM's position given Mundus's passives can effect and kill Dawn Machine while Dawn Machine's passives are useless against Mundus and Dawn Machine can't kill nor incap Mundus in any-other way either.