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It can if you take only 1 instance out of it.
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MULTIVERSAL BLEACH UPGRADE
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Arcker123
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"Wow."
10/10 argument.
10/10 argument.
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Anyway I think I understand now but regardless I think he should've had 4D fate manipulation long before this then
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I still disagree with the 2-A range.
Arkenis
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you do not need to effect the past, present, and future to be 4d, just the universe.
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Heated much?
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Wiki rules + Bleach history stopped that.
Arkenis
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Do you not understand what 2-A is and what Yhwach is doing?
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Y'all really don't read do you.
He's manipulating an infinite amount of futures at once, that's 2-A, 2-A is 4-D, ergo Yhwach's Fate Manipulation is 4-D with 2-A Range.
KLOL literally explain this to you guys in the first page of this thread.
I can't anymore.
He's manipulating an infinite amount of futures at once, that's 2-A, 2-A is 4-D, ergo Yhwach's Fate Manipulation is 4-D with 2-A Range.
KLOL literally explain this to you guys in the first page of this thread.
I can't anymore.
EldemadeDityjon
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Thats not how it works
Secondly it's stated from this point to the future.
When you consider present would become past in the future and future would becomes present and there would be another future logically for that present. I hope this helps. I don't know how to explain further. But future timelines are still 4D structure overall and there is no 1 instance is scaled as 3A. That's not how it works.
Also Yhwach AP doens't scale to his hax don't be confused. He only changes the timelines which exists. So Multi+ range not AP.
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Actually pretty laxed atm.
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Oh, thats just sad. Anyway I agree with the upgrade
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Ya I understand, let me grab the argument written in OP:
He literally said “effecting the infinite amount of space-time", and space-time is clearly past present, and future. Yhwach only has shown to affect the future (even the only possible future he sees in his eyes)
I said 2-A, I never mentioned 4D.
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But it is only future timeline bruh? Did he effect past and present? Why yall think timeline is only future. Thats messed up.
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Yeah, I understood after I thought about it that way. I was assuming he was only affecting 1 instance of a future not all others that exist after it.
I was never talking about his AP though?
Arkenis
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Why do you keep saying space-time is the past, present, and future?
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He never affects past or past timelines. Only future. Even, the only possible future that he sees.
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You can't be deadass arguing that only the future exist within those timelines...... there's no way you're doing this Dread.
Think for one second dude, if the future exist within these timelines then the past and present would also exist inherently because that's how time works dude.
Please.....
Arcker123
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This is excruciating
This is so simple lmao. Futures/Timelines are 4D, manipulating an infinite amount of them is 2-A.
Do you think only the future exists in these timelines? Lmao.
@Alexander come fodderize this goon
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Because it is?
This is the range definition:
Can he affect them all at the same time?
So you are saying he is able to manipulate the past? Right?
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Manipulating infinite timelines is textbook definition of 2-A, just saying
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The future still contains uncountable infinite instances though. You don't need past present and future, having them would just be 3 x infinite which is still infinite.
1 future = 4D. Apparently yhwach should've had 4D hax long before this but wiki held him back
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So if character A, let's say, affected someone's else future, then he is 4D?
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Don't quote me ever again dude.
You're a stonewall who can't read people's basic arguments.
Talk to Arcker or Arc.
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But at the same time..... did you read the definition of multiverse+ range?
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Even if I granted you this point it doesn’t defeat the argument, let me explain. From the present to the future encompasses infinite time in Bleach and is thus the same as the past to the future which also encompasses infinite time. Subtracting out a finite piece of time from an infinite timeline, still results in infinite time. A space time encompasses an infinite 3D space with an infinite 1D axis of time. So any way you slice this pie, Yhwach’s ability qualifies.
It’s stated in the manga he affects them all at once, we’ve been over this in this thread already. The scans are in the OP.
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Your stonewall LMFAO, read the definition of multiverse+ range and then talk, OP even used multiverse+ tier in this thread.
EldemadeDityjon
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It's just like changing the track of the train but the one who changes the track doens't scale to the train. Yhwach doesn't scale to the 2A AP but he can just change paths in that 2A structure. That's what is going on here. It's not about AP it's about range and hax.
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Yes to describe the reach of the 4D hax
it’s 4D with 2-A range, just as there can be 4D hax that’s 2-C etc etc etc. it’s to quantify the hax potency, as 4D hax with 2-A reach would be inherently superior to 4D hax with only 2-C reach.
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You mean this? Where?
Arcker123
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I actually laughed out loud when i read this
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Oh, so it is 4D hax to change someone's train. Alright
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There are 2 scenarios here.
1). Character A affected only 1 instance of the future e.g 1 second into the future.
2). Character A can affect all instances in the future e.g 1, 2, 3, 4......till infinite instances into the future.
Scenenario 1 is 3D, while scenario 2 is 4D. What yhwach does is scenario 2 so yes it should be 4D
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It’s verbatim stated that Yhwach affected every single timeline as evident by the fact he says he can and he did it when breaking Ichigo’s Bankai.
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4-D + 2-A range is 2-A 9/10 times tho
Arkenis
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explain how.
You do not need to effect all the matter of a multiverse to have multiverse range, why are you applying this weird rule to 2-A range now?
Yhwach is not just effecting the future, he is picking the one he desires out of an infinite amount that he can pick from due to the almighty showing him these infinite futures to pick from, you leaving out context.
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So, after I read the whole manga chapter, I never saw a sentence, that he affected them all at the same time.
Again, I want to see the scan where he explicitly said he impacted/influenced/affected them all at the same time.
Again, I want to see the scan where he explicitly said he impacted/influenced/affected them all at the same time.
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