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It can if you take only 1 instance out of it.Timeline can't be 3A bro.
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It can if you take only 1 instance out of it.Timeline can't be 3A bro.
He's only affecting 1 instance of a 3-A space just that there are infinite 3-A spaces
- ここから先の未来全てで折られたものを“拒絶”で消す事はできねという事か
- "You’re saying your “rejection” can’t erase something broken in every future from this point." ~ Rukia Chapter 681
Sigh
- 私はこの眼に映る未来の全てに干渉できるだけの事だ
- "I am only able to intervene in every future reflected in these eyes." ~ Yhwach Chapter 679
Which doesn't matter? By definition the Manipulation of infinite futures and possibilities makes it 4-D.
Your confused because you're a new user who has zero experience when it comes to Dimensional tiering. Going by your flawed logic over 90% of the verses with higher D hax would be downgraded and if you wanna get bullied go ahead, be my guest and make the CRT Tatsumi.
you do not need to effect the past, present, and future to be 4d, just the universe.Because this is space-time. Space-time is past, present, and future. His argument for the range is multiverse+ (effecting 4D space-time) but he never effected past, present?
Heated much?"Wow."
10/10 argument.
Wiki rules + Bleach history stopped that.Anyway I think I understand now but regardless I think he should've had 4D fate manipulation long before this then
Do you not understand what 2-A is and what Yhwach is doing?I still disagree with the 2-A range.
Thats not how it worksIt can if you take only 1 instance out of it.
Actually pretty laxed atm.Heated much?
Oh, thats just sad. Anyway I agree with the upgradeWiki rules + Bleach history stopped that.
Ya I understand, let me grab the argument written in OP:Do you not understand what 2-A is and what Yhwach is doing?
He literally said “effecting the infinite amount of space-time", and space-time is clearly past present, and future. Yhwach only has shown to affect the future (even the only possible future he sees in his eyes)Multiverse level+ being defined as affecting an infinite amount of space-times. So, Yhwach is claiming there are an uncountable amount of, to possibly infinite future timelines that he can perceive with his Almighty. Hence, Yhwach's Almighty has 2-A Precognition.
I said 2-A, I never mentioned 4D.you do not need to effect the past, present, and future to be 4d, just the universe.
But it is only future timeline bruh? Did he effect past and present? Why yall think timeline is only future. Thats messed up.Infinite timelines is 2-A
Yeah, I understood after I thought about it that way. I was assuming he was only affecting 1 instance of a future not all others that exist after it.Thats not how it works
Secondly it's stated from this point to the future.
When you consider present would become past in the future and future would becomes present and there would be another future logically for that present. I hope this helps. I don't know how to explain further. But future timelines are still 4D structure overall and there is no 1 instance is scaled as 3A. That's not how it works.
Also Yhwach AP doens't scale to his hax don't be confused. He only changes the timelines which exists. So Multi+ range not AP.
Why do you keep saying space-time is the past, present, and future?But it is only future timeline bruh? Did he effect past and present? Why yall think timeline is only future. Thats messed up.
He never affects past or past timelines. Only future. Even, the only possible future that he sees.Also Yhwach AP doens't scale to his hax don't be confused. He only changes the timelines which exists. So Multi+ range not AP.
You can't be deadass arguing that only the future exist within those timelines...... there's no way you're doing this Dread.But it is only future timeline bruh? Did he effect past and present? Why yall think timeline is only future. Thats messed up.
This is excruciatingBut it is only future timeline bruh? Did he effect past and present? Why yall think timeline is only future. Thats messed up.
This is so simple lmao. Futures/Timelines are 4D, manipulating an infinite amount of them is 2-A.Y'all really don't read do you.
He's manipulating an infinite amount of futures at once, that's 2-A, 2-A is 4-D, ergo Yhwach's Fate Manipulation is 4-D with 2-A Range.
KLOL literally explain this to you guys in the first page of this thread.
I can't anymore.
Because it is?Why do you keep saying space-time is the past, present, and future?
Can he affect them all at the same time?Multiversal+: Attacks and abilities that are able to reach anywhere within an infinite amount of 4-dimensional space-time continuums at the same time.
So you are saying he is able to manipulate the past? Right?You can't be deadass arguing that only the future exist within those timelines...... there's no way you're doing this Dread.
Think for one second dude, if the future exist within these timelines then the past and present would also exist inherently because that's how time works dude.
Please.....
The future still contains uncountable infinite instances though. You don't need past present and future, having them would just be 3 x infinite which is still infinite.But it is only future timeline bruh? Did he effect past and present? Why yall think timeline is only future. Thats messed up.
So if character A, let's say, affected someone's else future, then he is 4D?The future still contains uncountable infinite instances though. You don't need past present and future, having them would just be 3 x infinite which is still infinite.
1 future = 4D. Apparently yhwach should've had 4D hax long before this but wiki held him back
Don't quote me ever again dude.So you are saying he is able to manipulate the past? Right?
But at the same time..... did you read the definition of multiverse+ range?Manipulating infinite timelines is textbook definition of 2-A, just saying
Even if I granted you this point it doesn’t defeat the argument, let me explain. From the present to the future encompasses infinite time in Bleach and is thus the same as the past to the future which also encompasses infinite time. Subtracting out a finite piece of time from an infinite timeline, still results in infinite time. A space time encompasses an infinite 3D space with an infinite 1D axis of time. So any way you slice this pie, Yhwach’s ability qualifies.But it is only future timeline bruh? Did he effect past and present? Why yall think timeline is only future. Thats messed up.
It’s stated in the manga he affects them all at once, we’ve been over this in this thread already. The scans are in the OP.Can he affect them all at the same time?
Your stonewall LMFAO, read the definition of multiverse+ range and then talk, OP even used multiverse+ tier in this thread.Don't quote me ever again dude.
You're a stonewall who can't read people's basic arguments.
Talk to Arcker or Arc.
It's just like changing the track of the train but the one who changes the track doens't scale to the train. Yhwach doesn't scale to the 2A AP but he can just change paths in that 2A structure. That's what is going on here. It's not about AP it's about range and hax.So if character A, let's say, affected someone's else future, then he is 4D?
Yes to describe the reach of the 4D hax it’s 4D with 2-A range, just as there can be 4D hax that’s 2-C etc etc etc. it’s to quantify the hax potency, as 4D hax with 2-A reach would be inherently superior to 4D hax with only 2-C reach.OP even used multiverse+ tier in this thread.
It’s stated in the manga he affects them all at once, we’ve been over this in this thread already. The scans are in the OP.
You mean this? Where?In chapter 679, Yhwach claims he is able to intervene and affect every single one of those innumerably vast, to possibly infinite number of futures that he sees with his Almighty, a sentiment that is echoed by Rukia in chapter 681. Rukia would have gotten this knowledge from Orihime, who got the knowledge from Yhwach, and as such should be a reputable source considering Yhwach would know his ability best. With what is established prior, Yhwach's Almighty would have 2-A Fate Manipulation.
I actually laughed out loud when i read thisYou mean this? Where?
Oh, so it is 4D hax to change someone's train. AlrightIt's just like changing the track of the train but the one who changes the track doens't scale to the train. Yhwach doesn't scale to the 2A AP but he can just change paths in that 2A structure. That's what is going on here. It's not about AP it's about range and hax.
There are 2 scenarios here.So if character A, let's say, affected someone's else future, then he is 4D?
It’s verbatim stated that Yhwach affected every single timeline as evident by the fact he says he can and he did it when breaking Ichigo’s Bankai.You mean this? Where?
4-D + 2-A range is 2-A 9/10 times thoBut at the same time..... did you read the definition of multiverse+ range?
explain how.Because it is?
You do not need to effect all the matter of a multiverse to have multiverse range, why are you applying this weird rule to 2-A range now?Can he affect them all at the same time?
Yhwach is not just effecting the future, he is picking the one he desires out of an infinite amount that he can pick from due to the almighty showing him these infinite futures to pick from, you leaving out context.So if character A, let's say, affected someone's else future, then he is 4D?