Mukuro vs. Hajime

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

me mememe

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

@Random Butler You're voting Hajime right?

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

yas

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Hajime - 5 (Me, Elixer, PickaPoison, Listentomyrhytm, Random Butler)

Mukuro - 4 (LsirLance,Causality,TacticalNuke, Schnee)

 

[The_Causality]

I mean, at this point I don't think Hajime's arguments are still valid since it was established that his Luck can't change Mukuro's mind instantaneously, and the fact that Mukuro's sealing attack first, All the vote based on luck are no longer valid.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Well there are things possible like suddenly a meteor will fall on Mukuro distracting her and Hajime can analyze at one glance and find an appropriate method like speaking/singing which causes madness type 3 and social influencing which only takes like 2-3 seconds.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

A meteor won't randomly appear out of nowhere, it has to come from space which means that it would have travel time.

Analysis + SI/Madness would take way longer than 2-3 seconds unless you wish to say that Hajime saying 2-3 words is enough to cause madness.

Mukuro thinks and there's nothing Hajime or his luck can do to stop it.

 

[Schnee_One]

LWhat will a Meteor even do? Mukuro can just seal them both away

Luck is easily the most wanked ability on this site.

 

[The_Causality]

Mukuro will just redirect the meteor toward Hajime instantaneously with wormholes (she already do that in canon)

The fact that when the battle start, a meteor suddenly fall on Mukuro is pretty dubious, but even with that, she has all the time to seal away Hajime.

And she resist Mind stuff so madness will not help too.

 

[Schnee_One]

Uhhh that depends on the potency of the madness stuff, Mukuro only scales to a city.

 

[The_Causality]

Correct, but Iirc, it scale to a couple of people so she could resist.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Does Mukuro first move sealing is only just the target in front of her? Because this Hajime version is an AI (he should have inorganic physiology when the version is inside the Neo world) because it's the Neo world where the territory is Hajime's Domain. Does her first move Segva affect the one in front of her rather than the whole earth? The real Hajime is outside the real world and I don't doubt that Mukuro can seal the real Hajime outside.

 

[Schnee_One]

Unless the real one resists concept sealing that gets affected as well.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Because Mukuro is not aware of the mechanics of Hajime's kit and I assume that she will only seal the person in front of her rather than the Hajime outside the Neo world.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

I forgot to mention this but.

"I don't think luck will make someone with a fully loaded gun and no martial arts skills suddenly wish to drop the gun and rush to fight hand to hand."

On the school killing, there was a dude from Class 77-A with a chainsaw and a gun, he certainly didn't know Izuru. But the dude was very conscious of his surroundings and extremely paranoid after getting manipulated and killed a lot of his classmates. So, he definitely wanted to kill a person that could be a potential threat in the most efficient way.

But instead of using the gun on Izuru, he straight up used chainsaw on him, so that the he could die from the chainsaw later on.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

What is the Simulation world within the real world of Danganronpa? How does one enter the simulation?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

They get their mind copied in there.

 

[Ionliosite]

Mukuro can also seal things related to the person, she sealed the memories of Shido from other persons (including computers) so there's that.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Basically SAO's nerve gear. But Mukuro is fighting the avatar rather than the real Hinata because this version of Hajime is typically an AI/avatar

 

[TacticalNuke002]

But it still is Hajime's mind?

In that case, I don't see why sealing doesn't work.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

But it still is Hajime's mind?
In that case, I don't see why sealing doesn't work.

It's a copy of his mind, while his real self is sitting back and watching.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Shouldn't he have Type 9 immortality then?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I think he did... it apparently got changed to type 6 because the tecnology where his AI gets put in is in the same reality as him.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Actually Type 6 doesnt suit him, it's basically another Hajime that's separate from the real one. Type 9 suits him

 

[Everything12]

Mukuro FRA

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

I have a question? What range do you need to affect the real Hajime outside the simulation world? Just like affecting the real Kirito outside the nerve gear simulation

 

[TacticalNuke002]

So let me get this straight.

A High 8-C Hajime controls a High 6-C version of himself within a simulation, and is High 6-C only because the simulation contains distant islands or whatever. Any opponent for Hajime's High 6-C key is treated as being in the simulation and has to consider High 8-C real Hajime as some kind of Transcendental god entity because he exists outside the simulation.

I don't know, something seems off here.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

MrDr

Type 9, your point, is probably a completely different topic, maybe it has nothing to do with his Type 6 AI implanting. Just like Ricsi said.

I think Type 6 is an entirely different thing, it's about him being able to implant AIs of himself or others on a virtual body, essentially replicating someone and their full capabilities.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

I mean even if the battle is treated only for the AI, the real one can still freely move and has independent actions and can basically send another 2 or more copies of the AI and if we ignore that were basically restricting their capabilities

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

@ Tactical This is what the simulation world and Hajime's AI looks like https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eoVFwqnfQag&t=541s skip to 9:00

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Hajime (and Junko) shouldn't even be High 6-C... They have nothing AP based, even if they could erase it (which Junko couldn't) it's not about amount of territory the erasure is about. At most they would have environmental damage at that level.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

agreed

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Yeah that seems weird to me too

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

It had "likely" as a term, should it be "possibly" instead?

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Fighting Hajime is like fighting 7-A pennywise but Hajime can send another one asap unlike Pennywise who doesnt give a shit about his avatar

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It had "likely" as a term, should it be "possibly" instead?

Not once in Danganronpa do the AI in the virtual reality show direct AP, except Junko fulfilling her giantess fetish.

But even at that point, it's a literal program that they can change, and she was beaten by losing her control over the program. I honestly feel they should up and be 11-A, but at best they'd be an "Unknown".

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Data is 10-C nowadays.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

I think High 8-C for this version is fine and should still have his abilities here

 

[TacticalNuke002]

I mean even if the battle is treated only for the AI, the real one can still freely move and has independent actions and can basically send another 2 or more copies of the AI and if we ignore that were basically restricting their capabilities

Darkseid can do the same but we don't treat Darkseid's lower keys like this afaik.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Was referring to the environmental damage but okay.

maek crt!11!!