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Only by hitting the core. This is otherwise completely unapplicable.Overlord775 said:
Also, Saiyan Saga Vegeta is only High 6-A at best.
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Also, Saiyan Saga Vegeta is only High 6-A at best.
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Didn't 1st Form Frieza's Supernova only hit the surface of planet Vegeta? Is that really an argument people use?
Didn't 1st Form Frieza's Supernova only hit the surface of planet Vegeta? Is that really an argument people use?
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Oh the phantom theives from persona 5 also get downplayed I see them being called the weakest or second weakest persona group a lot
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Unfortunately...
Just like how they argue with statements:
City level characters claims to destroy a planet = Legit
Solar System level character says they'll destroy the planet = Outlier/Hyperbole
Unfortunately...
Just like how they argue with statements:
City level characters claims to destroy a planet = Legit
Solar System level character says they'll destroy the planet = Outlier/Hyperbole
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Even if it only hit the core, the KE would still be 5-A to High 5-A, so it isn't even valid.
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But... I mean... we can literally see it right here. It doesn't hit the core, it hits the side, goes into the planet like 1000 kilometers at best, and then it explodes.
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"Debater": Lol, you're trying to apply real-life physics to fiction, GTFOKepekley23 said:
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I know, but some like to think that shattering the core somehow sends the planet flying into space. Seeing it destroyed without the core being hit cements it as Frieza's power, not some chain-reaction.Kepekley23 said:
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No that's wrong, it was both calc and stated to be a small continent that's why Piccolo and Goku were upgrade to Low 6-B.Kepekley23 said:
The person who made it a large mountain never even existed since they were previously Large Island level because Papaya Island had multiple visible mountains.
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That's wrong, it was previously calc'ed at 30km, which is large mountain here
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For god's sake. He went from getting shitstomped to having a chance against Jiren. How can someone even REMOTELY suggest that?
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Yeah that is very weird; even weirder than the fact that I almost though you said Killer Instinct downplay. That is that too though.
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I've seen a lot of just plain "Calcs have no place in fiction downplay".
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@Kep Part of it is because people don't understand powerscaling at all so they get hyped over "Woah! It took FIVE people to beat Anilaza!". Another I'd assume is just people who want to downplay Ultra Instinct cause they can't cope with how strong Kefla became. But yeah I've seen these arguments over and over on YouTube and they're quite annoying lol
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I understand why people are skeptical towards powerscaling.
From an outside perspective, it seems ridiculous to have a character being ranked as 2-C via scaling to the guy who is comparable to the guy who took hits from the guy who married the gal who smacked the guy who is comparable to the other guy who is in turn comparable to these three other dudes, all of which could curbstomp these guys, ad infinitum.
Plus a lot of times when a character beats another character, it may seem like PIS 99% of the time. It's a huge, undying trend in fiction that the good guy has to win, especially when it comes to Nintendo franchises or children's shows that need happy endings.
From an outside perspective, it seems ridiculous to have a character being ranked as 2-C via scaling to the guy who is comparable to the guy who took hits from the guy who married the gal who smacked the guy who is comparable to the other guy who is in turn comparable to these three other dudes, all of which could curbstomp these guys, ad infinitum.
Plus a lot of times when a character beats another character, it may seem like PIS 99% of the time. It's a huge, undying trend in fiction that the good guy has to win, especially when it comes to Nintendo franchises or children's shows that need happy endings.
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Well, I understand being skepical about powerscaling character after character from one feat.
However, when they refuse even the most direct, blatant powerscaling is what ticks me off. Like, people admitting Beerus and Goku are Universe level, but Vegeta and Whis aren't.
However, when they refuse even the most direct, blatant powerscaling is what ticks me off. Like, people admitting Beerus and Goku are Universe level, but Vegeta and Whis aren't.
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You can if that boat gives you immunity to mind hax, is large star level, and can get past Low-Godly regen.Paulo.junior.969 said:
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Well of course, I'm not saying their reasoning is valid. I'm just saying that it makes sense from an outside perspective. DBZ is a series that is super easy to powerscale, as everything is extremely straight forward, so if you deny Vegeta being on par with Goku, I don't know what to tell you.TeenAngel101 said:
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Nintendo is far from happy endingsArbitraryNumbers said:
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^ dont let me get started of majora's mask bad ending, the clock is just the creepy thing, and the music gets worse every 12 hours in game, just terrifying,
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^Ocarina of time karkio dungeon is reall messed up
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^ at least thats not a bad ending,
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I'm gonna have to call baloney on that.Badboybilly1000 said:
Count to me every Mario. Kirby, and Pokemon game that has a happy ending. I guarantee you the Nintendo games with bad endings where good loses to evil will look like outlying points, if they even exist at all. Heck, even the MOTHER Trilogy has happy endings, despite being one of the more sad and dark games that the company has to offer. Even if the games are dark, the good eventually prevails at some point.
You seem to have misinterpreted my point. My point is that it's a general rule of fiction for the protagonist to prevail, which is why 99% of the time it may seem like PIS for a character to beat another; even if it makes sense, it's always for the convenience of the plot, which is my guess as to why some may not glorify powerscaling as much.
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I understand your point but its fiction where good all ways win but for one minute look at what some the heros fight for( kirby rampages for a pieice of cake ) and the villians reason and see whos the good and whos evil
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"Ben 10,000 (all versions) is 10-A, likely 9-C."
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Many Fire Emblem games actually have quite dark elements; protagonists are often forced to kill their own family members due to warfare and some of those said characters having their own free will stolen from them. So Nintendo isn't exactly 100% rainbows and flowers. And even Mario can be pretty dark at times; take Super Paper Mario and Partners in Time for example.
And of course, back to Fire Emblem, several main villains are evil villains due to their deep, depressing back stories. So the whole good guys always win trope is not a good excuse to consider their victory PIS.
And of course, back to Fire Emblem, several main villains are evil villains due to their deep, depressing back stories. So the whole good guys always win trope is not a good excuse to consider their victory PIS.
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Wasn't the OG Mario a circus master who kidnapped DK's kid?DarkDragonMedeus said:
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Let's get back on topic. We've derailed the thread long enough.
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nah, that was his father, mario is as old as DK the third, as seen in yoshi's island, and he original DK is connically the grandfather of modern DK, so there's no way that was super marioLightbuster30 said:
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ArbitraryNumbers said:
i said that majora's mask (Legend of the zelda game, made by nintendo), got some bad ending too, if you dont let the moon stop from landing, termina would we destroyed, aswell as poor link, which is a victim, for this
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Like I said, the Bad Ending of Majora's Mask is an outlying point compared to all of the Mario, Kirby, and Pokemon games that have happy endings. Saying Ninendo is "far from happy endings" is clearly a false statement, even if some games are pretty dark.
Even then; it's the BAD ending. It ends because the player didn't accomplish the required tasks in time; it's meant to pressure the player into achieving the good ending; it's not what canonically happens.
Regardless I'm dropping this. It's derailed the thread long enough.
Even then; it's the BAD ending. It ends because the player didn't accomplish the required tasks in time; it's meant to pressure the player into achieving the good ending; it's not what canonically happens.
Regardless I'm dropping this. It's derailed the thread long enough.
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at least ocarina of time is canon,
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Oh yeah, I should also mention that almost every character who's Tier 5 to Tier 4 feats come from causing a solar eclipse also get downplayed quite frequently. Like for example, Tengu Shredder and Wuya are 5-A to High 5-A respectively due to those feats, but many people both on and off site; including a couple retired staff, seem to ignore then difference between AP and Destructive Capacity. I suppose we downgrade nearly every single verse except for Dragon Ball by that logic ^^
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I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. If it isn't let's not go there.TataHakai said:
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Ultimate Gohan is called the "Saikyou no Senshi", which literally translates to "Mightiest Warrior", so he is stronger than Zen'o. He was obviously suppressing his power when he fought Gotenks-absorbed Boo.
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Vegito is weaker than Kefla.
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