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Most balanced/entertaining OP characters for each tier
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Hora hora, let's find "balanced" guys too
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I'll give my man Mewtwo for 5-B. I'll be splitting up my reasoning between anime and games.
Anime
There's a reason his movie is still in the top 10 best selling anime movies after 20+ years.
As everyone knows by now, Mewtwo is a clone (and is the only Pokémon character ever with a confirmed birthday: February 26th). And it isn't just any clone, but it's a clone of what was at the time considered to be god (G4 and therefore Arceus and his children Werner even a glint in Satoshi's eye). But that's not what made it interesting.
What makes him interesting and entertaining is his existential crisis. Mewtwo comes into existence as a child. He meets a little girl named Amber. Her technical name is AmberTwo, but she still wants to be called Amber. She tells him the little she knows about the situation and that they're having this meeting through their minds. The two become fast friends, and she introduces them to her other friends: SquirtleTwo, BulbasaurTwo, and CharmanderTwo. Mewtwo makes friends with them. They play for a while.
And then they die.
In the middle of one of their games, one of the Pokémon clones fade away. Then another. Mewtwo watches one by one as his friends disappear from existence. The machines that support the consciousness and life of the clones can't support them any longer, with Mewtwo being the sole exception due to his immortality and raw power. Eventually it's Amber's turn to go. Mewtwo's in tears, begging her not to go. Amber thanks him for her tears, as it means he's alive. And being alive is wonderful.
And with that, she fades from existence.
Needless to say, this causes Mewtwo to have a psychic breakdown, nearly destroying the lab, which forces them to wipe his memory and restart from there. In the radio drama, they shoot him in the head, killing him, but he regenerates himself post-mortem.
Skip several years later. Mewtwo wakes up as an adult. To him, this is the first time he's woken up. And the scientists around him are cheering, congratulating themselves. Mewtwo asks what is he, and what is his purpose. The scientists tell him that he's Mewtwo, and that he's a clone. But most notably, that there's more experiments on the way. It's here where Mewtwo learns that these scientists care not for him, and that to them he's nothing more than a project. A means to an end. And how does Mewtwo respond? He destroys as much as he can. He thinks and things are getting blown up. Nothing is spared, leading up to one of the most quotable lines in the movie that's been used to describe Mewtwo ever since.
"We dreamed of creating the world's strongest Pokémon. And we succeeded."
And then Mewtwo blows up the island, killing everyone on it.
Eventually, he's approached by a confident man. He appeals to Mewtwo, telling him that they can be partners. Mewtwo learns to trust this man as an equal. The man's name? Giovanni. The leader of the mafia, Team Rocket. He gets Mewtwo to do all sorts of things. He makes Mewtwo telekinetically hoist up Pokémon so they're free capture to poach and to sweep trainers. He also puts Mewtwo in an armor that supposedly helps control his powers.
This leads to the first time we see Mewtwo in the series proper. Anyone who's seen the series know who Gary Oak is. Cocky trainer who picks on Ash. He's only 10 but he has his own sports car and cheerleaders. If there was any Chad in Pokémon, it was Gary motherf***ing Oak. After gaining over a dozen badges (mind you, you can only get 8 in the game), he challenges the Viridian Gym, cocky as ever. Little did he know, the gym was run by Giovanni. When he challenges Giovanni, Gary confidently knocks out his first two Pokémon, no issue. And then Giovanni uses a mysterious Pokémon (that's clearly Mewtwo but for the sake of story we don't know it yet) clad in armor. The Pokémon opens its eyes and chucks one of his Pokémon against a wall. Giovanni tells him to use two Pokémon at once (double battles aren't a thing until G3). Gary does, and Mewtwo defeats them in one shot. This causes Gary, the most confident person we've seen on the show, to start quivering in fear.
Later, Mewtwo learns that Giovanni was betraying him. And Giovanni tells him the truth. One, Team Rocket was responsible for his creation, being the ones that funded his cloning. Two, the armor he's wearing is a limiter, not something that controls his power. And three, that he thinks nothing more of Mewtwo than as a tool. Mewtwo breaks out of his armor and flies away. This leads him to think that all humans are terrible, but more importantly, he still wants to know who he is.
Focus on Ash, who gets a mysterious letter inviting him to an island, only for the best trainers. The events of the first movie happens. Not explaining it because most of you have seen it and it's too long to explain. But it expands on Mewtwo's philosophy. He wants to see his worth and the worth of clones. To see if they should exist. Mewtwo meets his original, who actually doesn't think highly of clones. Also one of the songs from here also played at the Olympics. And there's the ending. Ash getting turned into stone. As cheesy as it is that Pokémon tiers being him back from behind, it leads to Mewtwo's epiphany, something so profound that a presidential candidate quoted it. It's Mewtwo's quote for a reason.
"The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It's what you do with the gift of life which determines who you are."
Mewtwo takes his cloned Pokémon and leaves, but not before wiping the memories of everyone there and sending them back in time.
Mewtwo reappears in a later special, where he's a guardian to his clone Pokémon. It's a pretty good watch. Also helps that he's voiced by THE Dan Green in this special.
Games
Now take it to more than just the anime, but to the games.
Imagine you're Red, way back in 1996. You're a new trainer with one badge under your belt and you're on your way to Cerulean City. You see a cave guarded by a man, but it's across water and you can't Surf yet. You ignore it and continue your adventure.
You eventually het enough badges to use Surf and remember the cave. You go there but the man tells you that only the strongest trainers are allowed in there and you have to beat the Elite Four first. You then leave and continue on your adventure.
Eventually after collecting six badges, you head to Cinnabar Island for your seventh, and you have to enter the Pokémon Mansion. It's decrepit and burned down, being burglarized, there's there's these weird shapeshifting blobs every so ofte, and statues shaped like some Pokémon that activate doorways. You wonder what happened here to ruin this wonderful mansion. Then you find the journals. It chronicles finding the Mythical Pokémon Mew and using its eyelash to clone a Pokémon Mewtwo. And the final one you find?
Diary: Sept. 1
MEWTWO is far too powerful. We have failed to curb its vicious tendencies…
Eventually, you find the key needed to access the seventh gym and leave.
Skip to later. You took down Team Rocket. You caught the Legendary Birds. You got all your badges. You beat the Elite Four and your rival Blue. You've finally done it. You've become the Pokémon Champion. You can brag to all your friends. And you've done the tagline of the franchise. You've caught them all.
But wait, weren't there supposed to be 150 Pokémon? You only have 149. Where could the last one be?
And then you remember the cave.
You take your Pokémon and Fly to Cerulean City. You Surf to the entrance to the cave. There's a trainer there, the final trainer of the game. She's shockingly easy, as her Pokémon are only as strong as you were when you first got Surf. You're way past that now. With the sense of security, you talk to the guy blocking the cave and enter it.
The randomly encountered Pokémon there alone are on par with the Elite Four. They're all in their upper flurries at the very least in terms of level, most being in their mid to late fifties. But the ones with the highest level are Dittos, the weird pink shapeshifting blobs, capable of even reaching the late sixties in terms of level.
You continue trekking through the cave. It's hard to navigate, even harder than Victory Road, and you have to use almost all of your HMs to get to the end. Flash, Rock Smash, Strength, and most importantly, Surf. Surf most importantly because at the end of the cave, when you got to as deep as you can go, you see a lone Pokémon standing on an large rock in the middle of the water. You've seen this Pokémon before, vaguely. It looks very similar to those statues in the Pokémon Mansion. You also remember where the last place you saw Ditto was.
You walk up to the Pokémon and press A to encounter. It only says one thing.
Mew.
The battle music starts. Level 70, the highest leveled thing in the game. Barrier. Psychic. Swift. Recover.
A wild MEWTWO appeared!
Anime
There's a reason his movie is still in the top 10 best selling anime movies after 20+ years.
As everyone knows by now, Mewtwo is a clone (and is the only Pokémon character ever with a confirmed birthday: February 26th). And it isn't just any clone, but it's a clone of what was at the time considered to be god (G4 and therefore Arceus and his children Werner even a glint in Satoshi's eye). But that's not what made it interesting.
What makes him interesting and entertaining is his existential crisis. Mewtwo comes into existence as a child. He meets a little girl named Amber. Her technical name is AmberTwo, but she still wants to be called Amber. She tells him the little she knows about the situation and that they're having this meeting through their minds. The two become fast friends, and she introduces them to her other friends: SquirtleTwo, BulbasaurTwo, and CharmanderTwo. Mewtwo makes friends with them. They play for a while.
And then they die.
In the middle of one of their games, one of the Pokémon clones fade away. Then another. Mewtwo watches one by one as his friends disappear from existence. The machines that support the consciousness and life of the clones can't support them any longer, with Mewtwo being the sole exception due to his immortality and raw power. Eventually it's Amber's turn to go. Mewtwo's in tears, begging her not to go. Amber thanks him for her tears, as it means he's alive. And being alive is wonderful.
And with that, she fades from existence.
Needless to say, this causes Mewtwo to have a psychic breakdown, nearly destroying the lab, which forces them to wipe his memory and restart from there. In the radio drama, they shoot him in the head, killing him, but he regenerates himself post-mortem.
Skip several years later. Mewtwo wakes up as an adult. To him, this is the first time he's woken up. And the scientists around him are cheering, congratulating themselves. Mewtwo asks what is he, and what is his purpose. The scientists tell him that he's Mewtwo, and that he's a clone. But most notably, that there's more experiments on the way. It's here where Mewtwo learns that these scientists care not for him, and that to them he's nothing more than a project. A means to an end. And how does Mewtwo respond? He destroys as much as he can. He thinks and things are getting blown up. Nothing is spared, leading up to one of the most quotable lines in the movie that's been used to describe Mewtwo ever since.
"We dreamed of creating the world's strongest Pokémon. And we succeeded."
And then Mewtwo blows up the island, killing everyone on it.
Eventually, he's approached by a confident man. He appeals to Mewtwo, telling him that they can be partners. Mewtwo learns to trust this man as an equal. The man's name? Giovanni. The leader of the mafia, Team Rocket. He gets Mewtwo to do all sorts of things. He makes Mewtwo telekinetically hoist up Pokémon so they're free capture to poach and to sweep trainers. He also puts Mewtwo in an armor that supposedly helps control his powers.
This leads to the first time we see Mewtwo in the series proper. Anyone who's seen the series know who Gary Oak is. Cocky trainer who picks on Ash. He's only 10 but he has his own sports car and cheerleaders. If there was any Chad in Pokémon, it was Gary motherf***ing Oak. After gaining over a dozen badges (mind you, you can only get 8 in the game), he challenges the Viridian Gym, cocky as ever. Little did he know, the gym was run by Giovanni. When he challenges Giovanni, Gary confidently knocks out his first two Pokémon, no issue. And then Giovanni uses a mysterious Pokémon (that's clearly Mewtwo but for the sake of story we don't know it yet) clad in armor. The Pokémon opens its eyes and chucks one of his Pokémon against a wall. Giovanni tells him to use two Pokémon at once (double battles aren't a thing until G3). Gary does, and Mewtwo defeats them in one shot. This causes Gary, the most confident person we've seen on the show, to start quivering in fear.
Later, Mewtwo learns that Giovanni was betraying him. And Giovanni tells him the truth. One, Team Rocket was responsible for his creation, being the ones that funded his cloning. Two, the armor he's wearing is a limiter, not something that controls his power. And three, that he thinks nothing more of Mewtwo than as a tool. Mewtwo breaks out of his armor and flies away. This leads him to think that all humans are terrible, but more importantly, he still wants to know who he is.
Focus on Ash, who gets a mysterious letter inviting him to an island, only for the best trainers. The events of the first movie happens. Not explaining it because most of you have seen it and it's too long to explain. But it expands on Mewtwo's philosophy. He wants to see his worth and the worth of clones. To see if they should exist. Mewtwo meets his original, who actually doesn't think highly of clones. Also one of the songs from here also played at the Olympics. And there's the ending. Ash getting turned into stone. As cheesy as it is that Pokémon tiers being him back from behind, it leads to Mewtwo's epiphany, something so profound that a presidential candidate quoted it. It's Mewtwo's quote for a reason.
"The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It's what you do with the gift of life which determines who you are."
Mewtwo takes his cloned Pokémon and leaves, but not before wiping the memories of everyone there and sending them back in time.
Mewtwo reappears in a later special, where he's a guardian to his clone Pokémon. It's a pretty good watch. Also helps that he's voiced by THE Dan Green in this special.
Games
Now take it to more than just the anime, but to the games.
Imagine you're Red, way back in 1996. You're a new trainer with one badge under your belt and you're on your way to Cerulean City. You see a cave guarded by a man, but it's across water and you can't Surf yet. You ignore it and continue your adventure.
You eventually het enough badges to use Surf and remember the cave. You go there but the man tells you that only the strongest trainers are allowed in there and you have to beat the Elite Four first. You then leave and continue on your adventure.
Eventually after collecting six badges, you head to Cinnabar Island for your seventh, and you have to enter the Pokémon Mansion. It's decrepit and burned down, being burglarized, there's there's these weird shapeshifting blobs every so ofte, and statues shaped like some Pokémon that activate doorways. You wonder what happened here to ruin this wonderful mansion. Then you find the journals. It chronicles finding the Mythical Pokémon Mew and using its eyelash to clone a Pokémon Mewtwo. And the final one you find?
Diary: Sept. 1
MEWTWO is far too powerful. We have failed to curb its vicious tendencies…
Eventually, you find the key needed to access the seventh gym and leave.
Skip to later. You took down Team Rocket. You caught the Legendary Birds. You got all your badges. You beat the Elite Four and your rival Blue. You've finally done it. You've become the Pokémon Champion. You can brag to all your friends. And you've done the tagline of the franchise. You've caught them all.
But wait, weren't there supposed to be 150 Pokémon? You only have 149. Where could the last one be?
And then you remember the cave.
You take your Pokémon and Fly to Cerulean City. You Surf to the entrance to the cave. There's a trainer there, the final trainer of the game. She's shockingly easy, as her Pokémon are only as strong as you were when you first got Surf. You're way past that now. With the sense of security, you talk to the guy blocking the cave and enter it.
The randomly encountered Pokémon there alone are on par with the Elite Four. They're all in their upper flurries at the very least in terms of level, most being in their mid to late fifties. But the ones with the highest level are Dittos, the weird pink shapeshifting blobs, capable of even reaching the late sixties in terms of level.
You continue trekking through the cave. It's hard to navigate, even harder than Victory Road, and you have to use almost all of your HMs to get to the end. Flash, Rock Smash, Strength, and most importantly, Surf. Surf most importantly because at the end of the cave, when you got to as deep as you can go, you see a lone Pokémon standing on an large rock in the middle of the water. You've seen this Pokémon before, vaguely. It looks very similar to those statues in the Pokémon Mansion. You also remember where the last place you saw Ditto was.
You walk up to the Pokémon and press A to encounter. It only says one thing.
Mew.
The battle music starts. Level 70, the highest leveled thing in the game. Barrier. Psychic. Swift. Recover.
A wild MEWTWO appeared!
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I like how a pokemon movie had a child dying, her parents splitting up due to the fall out, an entire lab being murdered, and the question of life itself being a motivating factor for the villain
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I'm not sure if that movie is darker than the mewtwo one
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Yeah, I never thought the Entei movie was super dark for the most part.
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It's time to bump
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Also Lucifer Morningstar for 1-A
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reinhard>> lucifer
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I understand that which was the sign points @Maxnumb, but for future reference, > means greater than, not less than. Don't worry though. I know what you meant.
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As a massive fan of both Mike Carey's Lucifer and Masada's Shinza - I disagree.
Lucifer is an interesting character and can be somewhat amusing - but entertaining? Not particularlly.
Reinhard, on the other hand, is entertaining. You can tell when he is fighting, he is having the time of his life, and he is so charismatic that you are rooting for him the entire time. I felt a personal connection to both Ren and Reinhard in their big climactic fights.
I don't get any of that with Lucifer, the most I get is a laugh at how much of an asshole he can be, or maybe a whistle in appreciation of how smart he can be. There's nothing personal - when he fights, it isn't entertainment, it's a story.
Lucifer is an interesting character and can be somewhat amusing - but entertaining? Not particularlly.
Reinhard, on the other hand, is entertaining. You can tell when he is fighting, he is having the time of his life, and he is so charismatic that you are rooting for him the entire time. I felt a personal connection to both Ren and Reinhard in their big climactic fights.
I don't get any of that with Lucifer, the most I get is a laugh at how much of an asshole he can be, or maybe a whistle in appreciation of how smart he can be. There's nothing personal - when he fights, it isn't entertainment, it's a story.
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Did I ever compare Reinhard to Lucifer?
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i did
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Didn't notice your reply, sry
