"Morty, look at me! I'm fighting a superhero!" | Ben 10 vs Rick Sanchez

[GeneralSol16]

After receiving a notification about a Kid having a watch so powerful that can destroy the universe, Rick would look after it so he can use it for his own goals.

Ben Tennyson vs Rick Sanchez​

• Equalized Speed.
• Battle takes place in R&M city, 5m from each other.
• Rick will have 24hrs of prep, and Ben will have basic knowledge about Rick's gadgets and most known adventures.
• Ben has Master Control.
• Alien X and anything above Tier 4 is restricted for both Ben and Rick.

Tennyson
Sánchez
Incon

 

[Arkansalter2]

X + Ggs.
X allowed = Stomp for Ben
X not allowed = Stomp for Rick
Restrict anything above 4-B and Ben's Clockwork so I can reinvestigate.

 

[GeneralSol16]

X + Ggs.
X allowed = Stomp for Ben
X not allowed = Stomp for Rick
Restrict anything above 4-B and Ben's Clockwork so I can reinvestigate.

The reason to why I didn't do any of that is the Prep for Rick, his amount of Hax should give him a minimal opportunity against X, shouldn't it?

 

[MintyBoi1]

I don’t think Rick has anything for Immeasurable TK which seems to be a starting move for Alien X

 

[noninho]

Yeah, restricting the most impressive stuff seems important if we don't want Ben beating him worse than Zeus

 

[Lort15]

killing is in Rick's character that would trigger failsafe gg

 

[Arkansalter2]

The reason to why I didn't do any of that is the Prep for Rick, his amount of Hax should give him a minimal opportunity against X, shouldn't it?

1-C to 1-B. Be so for real. X has 5-D EE and is 26-D.
Restrict anything above 4-B.

 

[jgms2008]

It's not good to call the guys who know the Rick and Morty verse

 

[GeneralSol16]

Fixed

 

[Arkansalter2]

Alr. I summon Mahoragas of both sides (Ben 10 and R&M supps).

 

[ShionAH]

For Alien X if you give Rick time he could use his Plot Manipulation which also has Concept Type 1 and Information Type 2 to win. He could use the fortune cookies and time crystals to win too

Other than that he cannot really do anything to Alien X

Edit: That Information Manipulation Type 2 on AX is bullshit, will downgrade that lmfao

 

[Arkansalter2]

For Alien X if you give Rick time he could use his Plot Manipulation which also has Concept Type 1 and Information Type 2 to win. He could use the fortune cookies and time crystals to win too

Other than that he cannot really do anything to Alien X

Edit: That Information Manipulation Type 2 on AX is bullshit, will downgrade that lmfao

Anything above Tier 4 is restricted.

 

[ShionAH]

So let me count all the ways Rick can humiliate Ben. Erasure, BFR, Portal Gun, "Anti Ben Gun", Sealing, Freeze Ray, Anti Matter, Particle Watch, Memory Erasure, Mind Manipulation, Pause Button, Love Potion, Toxic Potion, Life Manipulation on Omnitrix...

 

[MintyBoi1]

Ben could probably troll Rick with Feedback on his portal gun or use something like Gravattack to restrain him. He’s nowhere near Class P without his Space Cruiser. Ben also has time powers. Basic knowledge on Rick and Master Control gives him plenty to work with since he doesn’t have to pull out a gadget and can just think to counter say being frozen or even potentially killed with his regeneration.

 

[ShionAH]

Portal Gun runs on liquid (organic power) not on energy but it could work

Rick can also shoot the Omnitrix which would make it almost impossible for Ben to win

 

[MintyBoi1]

Portal Gun runs on liquid (organic power) not on energy but it could work

Rick can also shoot the Omnitrix which would make it almost impossible for Ben to win

That’s right, they never specify what the portal liquid is. But I would gander that Feedback can do it since he can absorb basically any kind of power including life energy.

I feel like Goop would be a good counter for that with his elasticity and high regeneration. He’s also decently commonly used so I can see Ben going for him relatively quickly.

 

[ShionAH]

No like if Rick shoots the Omnitrix, the Omnitrix will gain a counciousness. Now there is a third party in battle which was just born, it would likely just get off Ben and run away to a vacation or something.

 

[MintyBoi1]

No like if Rick shoots the Omnitrix, the Omnitrix will gain a counciousness. Now there is a third party in battle which was just born, it would likely just get off Ben and run away to a vacation or something.

Yeah, I mean Goop morphing himself to dodge since the Omnitrix is kinda a target on him. But I wonder how much that strategy will work when the Omnitrix always prioritizes Ben’s safety and only obeys his command. Even when acting on its own when his hand was displaced in space, it did everything to get back to him.

 

[ShionAH]

But I wonder how much that strategy will work when the Omnitrix always prioritizes

No like Omnitrix becomes a being. Without any memory of anything, he just kinda gets life and its shown that when this happens they just go "oh shit we are free!" and run away.

 

[MintyBoi1]

No like Omnitrix becomes a being. Without any memory of anything, he just kinda gets life and its shown that when this happens they just go "oh shit we are free!" and run away.

The only example I can find of Rick doing that on his page doing that is Churry which is a lot different since it was completely inanimate before. The Omnitrix is suggested to have some sort of mind of its own and the programming could possibly stay in tact, so even if it lost its memories, it might stick with Ben anyways. Also it’s attached to his DNA, so just leaving would be pretty hard. I think Ben could convince it to stay even if it doesn’t know him at first and transforming could mess with any attempts the Omnitrix makes to get away.

 

[ShionAH]

The only example I can find of Rick doing that on his page doing that is Churry which is a lot different since it was completely inanimate before

His laser pistol can give life, allowing Rick to make projectiles leave the battle due to gaining counciousness

Like I am sorry but it is just how it works, Omnitrix will become alive and go to a vacation or literally kill himself lol. Either way it would make it WAY harder for Ben to use.

Plus after this Rick can shoot again and kill Ben

 

[MintyBoi1]

His laser pistol can give life, allowing Rick to make projectiles leave the battle due to gaining counciousness

Like I am sorry but it is just how it works, Omnitrix will become alive and go to a vacation or literally kill himself lol. Either way it would make it WAY harder for Ben to use.

Plus after this Rick can shoot again and kill Ben

That’s still different from the Omnitrix though. They’re mindless and not attached to the user, so running away is way easier for them. I think that could make the Omnitrix harder to use, but I don’t think it’d leave Ben unable to use it to fight back. Especially since it also has his biometric data so it might know him no matter what.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Erasure

Depending on the level and ways to do it, Ben can survive it.

BFR.

Again, depending on the way that's activated, Ben can counter it.

Portal Gun.

Doesn't do shit to Ben.

Sealing

Read the first two.

Freeze Ray.

You gotta be kidding me.
Ben laughs at him.

Anti Matter.

Can be countered or tanked, depending on the alien

Particle Watch

Lmao

Memory Erasure, Mind Manipulation.

Ben resists the second one, the first one can be countered.

Pause Button, Love Potion, Toxic Potion.

Once again, some aliens resists that.

Life Manipulation on Omnitrix...

The Watch can counter that via energy manip, avoiding the energy.

 

[jgms2008]

So let me count all the ways Rick can humiliate Ben. Erasure, BFR, Portal Gun, "Anti Ben Gun", Sealing, Freeze Ray, Anti Matter, Particle Watch, Memory Erasure, Mind Manipulation, Pause Button, Love Potion, Toxic Potion, Life Manipulation on Omnitrix...

This antimatter thing Ghostfreak could have resistance because if I'm not mistaken there is a pop up that says that Ghostfreak's species adapted to the antimatter sun of the Anur System

 

[jgms2008]

 

[ShionAH]

Depending on the level and ways to do it, Ben can survive it.

Its History Level on a 6-D plane.

Again, depending on the way that's activated, Ben can counter it.

With prep its an AOE teleport into a 7D range, without its Portal Gun again with 7D

Doesn't do shit to Ben.

Uh huh... about that

Read the first two.

Poke Balls, Conceptual and Soul Sealing

You gotta be kidding me.
Ben laughs at him.

Ben himself gets frozen instantly. Some aliens could tank it though sure.

Can be countered or tanked, depending on the alien

Lmao

the first one can be countered.

This is not an argument, actually give me which aliens can do it. And then prove to me there is an alien capable of tanking and countering all the haxes at once.

The Watch can counter that via energy manip, avoiding the energy.

Omnitrix doesnt have energy manipulation lol, only projection.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Its History Level on a 6-D plane.

The Omnitrix has survived things at the 6D, possibly 25D level, such as the Annihilargh.
If the Watch can tank it, the failsafe would save Ben.

With prep its an AOE teleport into a 7D range, without its Portal Gun again with 7D

Clockwork has the same range and the ability to go to another timelines.

Uh huh... about that

Lmao.
Any Alien with Regen, Intangibility or clones tank that.

Poke Balls, Conceptual and Soul Sealing

The first one can be countered / dodged, the third one doesn't do shit to Ghostfreak or Upgrade.

Ben himself gets frozen instantly. Some aliens could tank it though sure.

If you know that Ben can survive it, why even mentioning it?

This is not an argument, actually give me which aliens can do it. And then prove to me there is an alien capable of tanking and countering all the haxes at once.

Ah? Ghostfreak can survive Anti matter, if you could read literally the comment above you, you'd know.
"Particle beam" gets countered via energy manip, or any Alien capable of tanking it.

And anyways, the Omnitrix can nullify any effects (incouduing Reality Warp) via just changing forms, as seen when he fought Gwen. So, doesn't matter if Ben gets affected nor any alien can survive it, the Omnitrix would save him via just changing the alien.

Omnitrix doesnt have energy manipulation lol, only projection.

Sure, but the watch would just counter ghe "Life Manip" Beam via his self beam, as seen against Ra'ad, so that wouldn't work at all either.

 

[ShionAH]

The Omnitrix has survived things at the 6D, possibly 25D level, such as the Annihilargh.
If the Watch can tank it, the failsafe would save Ben.

Omnitrix itself and Ben dont resist EE let alone on 6D, only AX does.

Clockwork has the same range and the ability to go to another timelines.

No, Clockworks range is Low Complex (5d), Rick is Complex (7d).

Any Alien with Regen, Intangibility or clones tank that.

Ben himself cannot, and its instant death

The first one can be countered / dodged, the third one doesn't do shit to Ghostfreak or Upgrade.

If you know that Ben can survive it, why even mentioning it?

Ah? Ghostfreak can survive Anti matter, if you could read literally the comment above you, you'd know.
"Particle beam" gets countered via energy manip, or any Alien capable of tanking it.

You dont get my point, I dont remember Ben being able to have all the powers of all his aliens all at the same time. My point is if he becomes ghostfreak Rick seals him away, if Ben becomes Upgrade Rick BFRs him away, if its Clockwork Rick uses the particle watch and etc. I dont think a single alien exists that can stop all of Ricks Tech especially when all Rick has to do is shoot at Ben with everything lol

And anyways, the Omnitrix can nullify any effects (incouduing Reality Warp) via just changing forms, as seen when he fought Gwen. So, doesn't matter if Ben gets affected nor any alien can survive it, the Omnitrix would save him via just changing the alien.

Completely baseless and hyperbolic argument, Omnitrix cannot nullify everything at all

Sure, but the watch would just counter ghe "Life Manip" Beam via his self beam, as seen against Ra'ad, so that wouldn't work at all either.

What AP level is it?

 

[Lort15]

glaze fight

 

[MintyBoi1]

Both these guys can do whatever is needed at the moment, not sure how to determine the most likely outcome. Will say Ben having a massive LS advantage and Low-Godly regen gives him major legs up.

 

[ShionAH]

Rick literally has a busted nigh mid godly ressurection and Cruiser has stellar lifting strenght...

 

[Churchill]

Waiting to see how this plays but slightly leaning towards the ben arguments in general

 

[ShionAH]

I wanna add if Ben turns into anything less than 4-B or Stellar LS Space Cruiser can crush it

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Rick fra

 

[Livinmeme]

X has 5-D EE

X could EE everything in ben 10, this is stated ad verbum by kevin.

 

[Lort15]

well anything above 4-B is not allowed so this includes Ben's high tier aliens and Rick's high tier techs,forms

 

[GeneralSol16]

Omnitrix itself and Ben dont resist EE let alone on 6D, only AX does.

The Omnitrix tanked the CTB, which has EE.

No, Clockworks range is Low Complex (5d), Rick is Complex (7d).

If your BFR means that he can send him anyways I'm the Verse, Clockwork should still be able to came back via scaling to Msltruant.

Ben himself cannot, and its instant death.

Lmao, the Omnitrix has Immeasurable speed, it's literally faster than instant.

You dont get my point, I dont remember Ben being able to have all the powers of all his aliens all at the same time. My point is if he becomes ghostfreak Rick seals him away, if Ben becomes Upgrade Rick BFRs him away, if its Clockwork Rick uses the particle watch and etc. I dont think a single alien exists that can stop all of Ricks Tech especially when all Rick has to do is shoot at Ben with everything lol

Why would he lol.
Even if he has prep, that doesn't mean he would do something OOC.

Completely baseless and hyperbolic argument, Omnitrix cannot nullify everything at all.

"Completely baseless", sure, if you don't know how to read.
Ben's Ultimatrix, which ks less advanced than the Recalibrated Omnitrix, was able to nullify Gwen's spells and Warp, which effects happen on a higher scale than R&M verse.

What AP level is it?

It shouldn't be weaker than 5-B+. And it's not like that matters, since Rick's gun doesn't have a Tier at all.

 

[ShionAH]

The Omnitrix tanked the CTB, which has EE.

I dont remember that nor do I see it on the profile

If your BFR means that he can send him anyways I'm the Verse, Clockwork should still be able to came back via scaling to Msltruant.

Nope

Lmao, the Omnitrix has Immeasurable speed, it's literally faster than instant.

Its literally equal speed, you made the op how can you forget lol

Why would he lol.
Even if he has prep, that doesn't mean he would do something OOC.

Why would killing Ben be OOC for Rick. What.

"Completely baseless", sure, if you don't know how to read.
Ben's Ultimatrix, which ks less advanced than the Recalibrated Omnitrix, was able to nullify Gwen's spells and Warp, which effects happen on a higher scale than R&M verse.

Nulling Magic does not meam it can Null Technology

It shouldn't be weaker than 5-B+. And it's not like that matters, since Rick's gun doesn't have a Tier at all.

Ricks Laser Pistol is 5-B+. But where does it say thay Omnitrixs laser is 5B? Ricks scaling clmes from Citadel and Vindicators

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Its literally equal speed, you made the op how can you forget lol

Not gonna comment on anything else cause I don't wanna get into that but equalized speed scales down to the person with the lowest combat speed and all other speeds are lowered down by the same amount. Since the omnitrix is immeasureable it won't change cause no matter what multiplier its decreased by the speed is the same

 

[ShionAH]

Not gonna comment on anything else cause I don't wanna get into that but equalized speed scales down to the person with the lowest combat speed and all other speeds are lowered down by the same amount. Since the omnitrix is immeasureable it won't change cause no matter what multiplier its decreased by the speed is the same

Then Time Crystals would also be Imme? And Cruiser wouod be still Infinite right? So Rick can make Space Cruiser Imme or his Pistol

Also that seems kinda weird are you sure