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Monogatari CRT - Tsukimonogatari LN Revisions

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Various revisions and changed justifications to Monogatari characters from Tsukimonogatari's LN-exclusive content.

Adding/changing justifications to existing abilities

Ability/stat changes

  • Kagenui is stated to have no weight, making it easier for her to jump around. Asking around I was told to put this down as Psuedo-Flight but I'm open to other ideas. Adding this as Weight Manipulation as per Pax's suggestion.
  • Following with the prior point, her Stealth Mastery might need to be removed; she wasn't unnoticed because she was stealthy but because she has no weight.
  • Kagenui suggests she could have pulled Shinobu out of Araragi's shadow. Araragi also suggests twice that she can see Shinobu hiding in his shadow. Add this as likely Darkness Manipulation.
  • Kagenui never jumps across the treetops in the LN, and her only feats from statements give Below Average Human speeds, so change her speed to Unknow.
  • Kiss-shot was stated to, at the peak of her power, be able to circle the globe seven and a half times in a single second. This puts her speed right around SoL. Some caveats are that it's a statement from Araragi, and that Kiss-shot said she did that right after transforming in Kizu and that was revealed to be a joke, but only because if she'd actually done it she would have ended up on the other side of the world. Also, apparently the official translation isn't exactly correct, with Araragi saying it seemed like Kiss-shot could do that, rather than saying that she actually could. However I'm leaning to just making her speed SoL, but it could be added as a "possibly" instead.
  • Ononoki, as a corpse, isn't affected by differences in air pressure and oxygen level, and can't catch a cold. This is definitely Immortality (Type 7) but should Self-Sustenance and Resistance to Disease Manipulation be added as well or are they implied?
Unactionable Weirdness

  • Shinobu was stated to have the strength of an 8-year-old. Given this heavily contradicts her other feats I've chosen to disregard this.
  • Araragi stated that whoever would win out of Kagenui and Kiss-shot is anyone's guess. Given how laughably below Kiss-shot's level Kagenui's feats are, and how Kagenui failed to kill Kiss-shot in the Kabuki timeline I'm not upgrading Kagenui from this. Even though the statement does echo this chart of physical strength from an official Nisio Isin exhibition, that chart has many other issues of its own (it has Ajimu Najimi and Kiss-shot both far below a city-level character in physical strength).
 
Kagenui's weightlessness shouldn't be pseudo-flight, maybe Weight Manipulation or just Superhuman Physical Characteristics.

There's only two SoL statements for Kiss-shot, the first one in Kizumonogatari is a joke and the second one seems to be reference to it where Araragi is unsure if she was serious or not. I don't think SoL counts. If she did move at SoL she would've shattered the ground just like she almost shattered Antarctica with a single jump.

Otherwise, everything is fine.
 
Changed the weightlessness to Weight Manipulation.

idk what you mean with the shattering the ground point. I'm not saying that she actually performed that feat in either of the scenes. The Kizu one's a joke, the Tsuki one's a serious-sounding statement without an accompanying feat, but is quite possibly still a reference to the Kizu statement.
 
Possibly SOL seems to be the safer option, rest of the stuff is fine. I am now waiting for the warewolf profiles lol.
 
Imo you should add self-sustenance and disease resistence even though type 7 already covers all that since most of the profiles on this wiki elaborates on small stuff like these.
 
Well, since I think that KS is even faster than what you proposed I know you know why I dont mind SoL at all. Everything else seems fine.

"Araragi stated that whoever would win out of Kagenui and Kiss-shot is anyone's guess."

Kagenui is a specialist when it comes to killing immortals. She might have something else up her sleave than just pure strenght... But thats just guessing, so I am fine with disregarding this.
 
I was referring to Kiss-shot shattering Antarctica in the only instance where she crosses thousands of kilometers. At SoL, the series should've pointed out the missing shockwaves from her movement. But I can imagine her at SoL anyways, probably altering her physiology to waves or sumthin. Possibly SoL is ok, it just doesn't feel right with only two sentences out of this rambling series.
 
I mean yeah, if she moved at SoL she probably would shatter the ground. It's just that neither of the statements are feats; just statements. They don't include stuff like that since it's just talking about her capabilities, not describing a time when she moved at SoL.
 
If you were to calc the min speed required for the antarctica jump (if you consider air resistance) you would actually get SoL-FTL speeds, but that was discarded coz "lol authors dont take that into consideration", even though (iirc) they even talked about air resistance in regards to that feat....
 
PaxCruento said:
FTL antarctica jump would require assuming 1-10 second timeframe tho. OwU
Air resistance makes it take longer.
 
It came out to 10% SoL actually, taking almost 2 hours to reach Antarctica.

Here's a neat trajectory chart.

But from talk with calc group members it's not usable, due to being too in-depth.
 
I don't think it's a worthwhile pursuit to get it approved, but like I said before, you can pester calc group about it if you want to.
 
Agnaa said:
I don't think it's a worthwhile pursuit to get it approved, but like I said before, you can pester calc group about it if you want to.
we could just get DMUA to approve it, he approves anything
 
Wait. I thought the 'weightless' person had at least around 5 kilos of weight, otherwise how would they fall down from the tower?


Am I mistaking that character with another?
 
NothingToDebateWith said:
Wait. I thought the 'weightless' person had at least around 5 kilos of weight, otherwise how would they fall down from the tower?

Am I mistaking that character with another?
Yeah, the weightless character's Hitagi Senjougahara. This one's Yozuru Kagenui.

In fact, the quote about Kagenui having no weight actually mentions how it's different from when Hitagi had most of her weight stolen.
 
@Rather There's no profile for her canon counterpart. She's featless.
 
Bump?
 
RatherClueless said:
Also, petition to make a hitagi profile owo
Literally just a 10-B with stationery as standard equipment.
 
I don't think a Hitagi profile is necessary, this wiki would get cluttered if everyone made profiles for such "normal" characters.
 
So has everything except the speed been deemed as reliable to apply here?
 
Yes. CrimsonStarFalle and -BANLK- weren't fine with replacing speed with SoL, but were fine with adding it as "possibly". RatherClueless is fine with SoL. PaxCruento initially disagreed with replacing speed with SoL, but eventually agreed to adding it as "possibly".

No-one has yet commented against it being included as a "possibly".
 
Okay. I suppose that this seems uncontroversial to apply then.
 
irt that graph. The x-axis (i.e. horizontal) value is "Physical Strength", further to the right is stronger. The y-axis value is "Mental Strength", higher up is smarter.

Top-right with the red hair is Jun Aikawa, slightly below and to the left is Yozuru Kagenui, to the left of Kagenui is Kuu Sorakara, below and to the left of Kagenui is Shichika Yasuri, bottom right is Kiss-Shot, and above Kiss-Shot is Ajimu Najimi. I don't know any of the other characters but I can ask around if you're curious.

The image comes from an official Nisio Isin exhibition a few years back, that had many charts, graphs, and infographics covering the walls about his various works. If there's anything else you want to know about the chart or the exhibition I can try finding out.
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. I suppose that this seems uncontroversial to apply then.
I'm done applying them.

Feel free to close the thread at your leisure.
 
I find it unusual that Ajimu Najimi is not in the upper right corner in that case. He lists her as medium strong and not particularly bright.
 
Other chart information would be appreciated in any case, yes.
 
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