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Battle takes places in a huge shrine.
Both Start 15 meters apart from each other.
Speed is equalized.
The National Competition Arc is used for Mori
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The first Demonslayer: 1
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Monkey King of Demons vs Sun beloved Demonslayer (Mori Jin vs Yoriichi Tsugikuni
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Battle takes places in a huge shrine.
Both Start 15 meters apart from each other.
Speed is equalized.
The National Competition Arc is used for Mori
VS
The first Demonslayer: 1
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Starting moves for both?
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Resistance to analytical prediction
mori: That’s cute
mori: That’s cute
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Stop delrailing my super important and serious thread you guys 
azontr
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Stop delrailing my super important and serious thread you guys
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question what is the joules for 8-A demon slayer?
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Bump
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Anyone who is 8-A (100 tons) is upscaling from Doma's 70 ton feat which he performed while melting and falling apart.
Yoriichi massively upscales that, since Muzan is leagues above Doma and Yoriichi, one shot a prime Muzan.
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Prime Yoriichi's durability doesn't scale to his AP.
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It's not an opening move but it's 100% IC for Mori to spam Jeahbongchim in this key. He'll start off with 2x amp then go to 8x if he feels pushed.
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So Mori's Analytical-Precog can bypass Yoriichi's resistance to it due to it having layers, he also has Info Analysis to sus out The Funny Sun-Swordsman's weaknesses. Is Yoriichi constantly in Selfless State like how Tanjiro's marked state became his new base?
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Yes.
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I would assume so.
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How does mori’s instant death technique work? Is it he has to hit the target or he can do it from range?
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Mori doesn't use instant death.
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Oh I thought it was an option since he has it in this key, I was just curious to know how he uses it.
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It is an option but he has never used it in Canon even when bloodlusted.
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Still not particularly relevant since he doesn't resist Info Analysis and his 1 layer of resistance to Ana-Precog is nothing to 3, but nice to know.
Mori, at this point, has seen and copied Mira's bare-hand sword style which is capable of clashing with actual blades, meaning if he WANTS to swordfight Yoriichi, he could.
I don't think there's anything to prevent Mori from just... learning how Yoriichi fights and countering it or - worse - copying it and doing it better. Considering he's capable of tanking attacks that almost one-shot him and then IMMEDIATELY getting back up to develop his own version of the same move (linked album) in the previous key, he should absolutely be capable of doing the same thing here.
Mori's profile doesn't say which end is accepted from the calc he scales to but I'll assume he's the slower one here, meaning he can't win by a blitz (which 8x speed diff would be). Still, he can use Jeahbongchim to 2 or 3x before you start getting into blitz territory and it also means he should get a large AP advantage.
I vote Monkey Man.
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Speed is equal.
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I know, but speed equalisation rules say that the slower character can't win by way of amping until they blitz, hence why I mentioned why there'd actually be a cap on how much he can multiply with Jeahbongchim. We just can't slap a hard number on it since blitz standards are different verse-to-verse.
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Anyways, I'll play Devil's Advocate here and argue for Yoriichi, since I'm knowledgeable.
I'll start off by saying that Yoriichi's sword techniques are probably beyond Mori's scope to copy. His sword skills are so advanced that even after hundreds of years after his death, nobody can replicate his Sun Breathing sword techniques, and it takes a robot holding several arms with several swords in hand to even come close to a fraction of Yoriichi's sword techniques, but even that isn't enough to enrapture it. Yoriichi's a much more skilled swordsman than anybody Mori has encountered, and his skills will be extremely difficult to replicate.
He doesn't have resistance to Mori's analytical prediction due to its layered nature but he doesn't particularly need it- Via See-Through World he has analytical prediction of his own of which Mori doesn't resist, and he will be able to see Mori's movements in basically slow motion, allowing him to counter the majority of Mori's attacks.
Mori's weak point info analysis isn't very useful against Yoriichi, as Yoriichi doesn't have any weak points or flaws in his stance, as noted in his final "battle" against Kokushibo, so Mori has no real openings to exploit. His info analysis that allows him to decipher abilities will be useful, though.
Mori's leg-up on Yoriichi is his busted adaptation but against an opponent as powerful as Yoriichi he will need time to perfectly adapt to his sword skills, in which Yoriichi will have several chances to bisect or decapitate Mori before he evolves.
Not voting, just pointing out Yoriichi's advantages.
I'll start off by saying that Yoriichi's sword techniques are probably beyond Mori's scope to copy. His sword skills are so advanced that even after hundreds of years after his death, nobody can replicate his Sun Breathing sword techniques, and it takes a robot holding several arms with several swords in hand to even come close to a fraction of Yoriichi's sword techniques, but even that isn't enough to enrapture it. Yoriichi's a much more skilled swordsman than anybody Mori has encountered, and his skills will be extremely difficult to replicate.
He doesn't have resistance to Mori's analytical prediction due to its layered nature but he doesn't particularly need it- Via See-Through World he has analytical prediction of his own of which Mori doesn't resist, and he will be able to see Mori's movements in basically slow motion, allowing him to counter the majority of Mori's attacks.
Mori's weak point info analysis isn't very useful against Yoriichi, as Yoriichi doesn't have any weak points or flaws in his stance, as noted in his final "battle" against Kokushibo, so Mori has no real openings to exploit. His info analysis that allows him to decipher abilities will be useful, though.
Mori's leg-up on Yoriichi is his busted adaptation but against an opponent as powerful as Yoriichi he will need time to perfectly adapt to his sword skills, in which Yoriichi will have several chances to bisect or decapitate Mori before he evolves.
Not voting, just pointing out Yoriichi's advantages.
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I'll concede on that point. They may be beyond his scope, but you do have to take into consideration Mori has been training in Renewal Taekwondo since he was a baby, a martial art that blows up 30% of practicioners who use it from the inside. On top of this, he can copy skills that are the peak of OTHER martial arts (see: barehand Wolgwang swordsmanship) from other people who have been training just as long as he has merely by seeing it, so... It's iffy, but I personally think he could. With great difficulty, yes, but possible.
Mori's instinctive reaction allowed him, when he had Mach 11 reactions, to react to Bongchim Nah, who scales far above at LEAST Mach 467 (due to being a member of the Six and thus massively superior to Ilpyo). I think anything that tries to kill him is just getting kicked off path or dodged, honestly. This is a speed equal match so it'll be even more potent than it was against someone >>400x faster than him.
Also, for the bisection point - If he doesn't kill Mori in one shot he's not going down. You've read the series, you know the fight against Jegal where he was impaled through joints and through his stomach multiple times by Megalodon teeth and still tanked it. IIRC he wasn't even using Painlessness at that time, so he's unironically just that much of a damage sponge.
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Yes, but the damage it causes to the body doesn't exactly play in to the difficulty had in copying it- Yoriichi's sword techniques don't damage the body, their just to advanced.
I am aware of this, but you have to take into consideration that not every block or dodge from Mori constantly hinges on his instincts, and that most of the time he's using his own conscious reactions to fight. He hasn't shown that he can utilize his instincts to dodge every attack, just certain life threatening one's while he's pushed to the limit.
And to kick Yoriichi's attacks away he would have to KICK Yoriichi's sword, which, doesn't seem like a good move if he wants to keep his foot.
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Sounds fun. When can i join?
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You can sign up for Re-Taekwondo lessons at your local online vendor.
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NOTE: Your local vendor may be throwing hands with literal gods and be unable to answer the phone at some points during opening hours, please be patient.
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Fair.
Also true, but Yoriichi fights with intent to kill, no? He wasn't even pushed to the limit when Bongchim attacked him, he was literally just standing casually and eating the Divine Pellet then managed to kick him away and prevent himself from getting heart-poked to death.
Eh. I don't mean only kicking, I just used that as the example since he did that to Bongchim. His hands are swords whenever he wants them to be, he can just bat the attacks away.
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With Selfless State Yoriichi quite literally lacks all killing intent, to the point that other users like Tanjiro can completely negate abilities that utilize killing intent sensing to function.
I would say Mori was "pushed to the limit", he didn't exactly completely avoid Bongchim's heart poke since he was still injured, and he still suffered adverse affects from the Divine Pellet.
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Makes sense. I remember that from the tiny fraction I've read of the Tanjiro + Giyu v Akaza fight, fair point.
I'd argue he was perfectly fine tbf. He'd come off of the fight with Manseok Gang with minor injuries (typical forehead bleeding, fatigue) but he'd gone to sleep since then, and the whole Bongchim thing happens in the middle of the night at like 2am by which point he would have had time to rest since he wasn't doing anything BEFORE that but talking to Mujin after being escorted out of the arena by the Judges in that timeframe.
The Divine's Pellets effects literally aren't mentioned until he gets up after being nearly poked to death, at which point he starts saying stuff like "my wound's not fully healed" and "why is my body feeling hot".
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I voted for Mori via:
being able to clash with swords via Barehand Style
SUPER good instinctive reaction
being able to amp his stats with Jeahbongchim (up to 8x, but due to speed equalisation rules he can't win by a blitz)
bypassing Yoriichi's resistance to analytical prediction cuz his is layered
more speed amp techniques that can quickly blitz people comparable to him (Bo-Bup)
better RE/AD (immediately understood a move and invented his own version [that, mind you, doesn't have any of the requirements of the original so it's just objectively superior] after it almost killed him)
better range
wind, ice, fire manip
add my vote to the OP pls
