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As the Massively Hypersonic+ flight speed of Kanna is merely stated as "flying from Japan to New York City in a very brief timeframe".
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I disagree. Kanna is the weakest of the dragons, who performed the feat casually. And dragons often fight with each other while flying, such as when Tohru fought with Ilullu, so I see no reason their reaction or combat speed shouldn't scale either.Ant, the feat is calculated already. I believe what the OP is saying is that the MHS+ rating should only be their flight speed, not attack speed, reaction speed, etc.
This isn't a justification for scaling flight to combat speed actually (see thr Legends Star Wars and Smallville speed downgrades). MCU Captain Marvel fights while flying but we don't scale her to MFTL+ as a more obvious example. If they didn't preform complex actions during the feat and if it was over an open area where they wouldn't require sudden movements then it's just flight speed.And dragons often fight with each other while flying,
Would it not scale to reaction speed when the dragons are flying at each other during these battles and actively being able to react to and combat one another?This isn't a justification for scaling flight to combat speed actually (see thr Legends Star Wars and Smallville speed downgrades). MCU Captain Marvel fights while flying but we don't scale her to MFTL+ as a more obvious example. If they didn't preform complex actions during the feat and if it was over an open area where they wouldn't require sudden movements then it's just flight speed.
The reason to downgrade it's wrong then, because Maid Dragon characters clearly can react to their flight speedThis isn't a justification for scaling flight to combat speed actually (see thr Legends Star Wars and Smallville speed downgrades). MCU Captain Marvel fights while flying but we don't scale her to MFTL+ as a more obvious example. If they didn't preform complex actions during the feat and if it was over an open area where they wouldn't require sudden movements then it's just flight speed.
After day 28Could you provide evidence of them battling while flying?
Nvm, just found an example, source: chapter 31After day 28
So, Basically, Illulu flies in Tohru direction, Tohru reacts and says Kobayashi gets back, then she looks to Illulu and says TCH, then procedes to kicks Illulu, Illulu starts flying then Tohru flies as well, then Tohru attacks her, but Illulu dodges and appear in Tohru direction, and they starting trading blows in scan 4, then tohru attacks defeats IlluluNvm, just found an example, source: chapter 31
scan 1:
scan 2:
scan 3:
scan 4: (this scene looks confusing, but its basically, tohru and illulu fighting)
there has others examples in the manga, but I only have this for now.
You're essentially confusing two instances there. If the MHS+ thing is being argued as travel speed to scale that to combat speed you would need something of the following:Would it not scale to reaction speed when the dragons are flying at each other during these battles and actively being able to react to and combat one another?
my scans does shows it igYou're essentially confusing two instances there. If the MHS+ thing is being argued as travel speed to scale that to combat speed you would need something of the following:
- During the feat itself she fought someone
- During the feat itself she preformed a complex action that would imply her reflex speed matches her acceleration
- Have something that backs she can rapidly hit her top speed during a fight that someone then reacts to
they don't work??The scans for the MHS+ feat are dead.
I've edited my comment to explain myself better, but for the scans you've posted that doesn't really fir in of the criteria for backscaling. You've proven they can fight in the air, but you would need to prove they can fight in the air at MHS+ speeds. Just fighting in of itself isn't evidence of scaling combat speed to travel speed.my scans does shows it ig
We saw Illulu flying in tohru direction, then she answers with a ''TCH'' and kicks Illulu, thats literally reacting to Illulu flight and countering it. thats the scan 1 and 2, how is it not reacting to a MHS flight?you would need to prove they can fight in the air at MHS+ speeds.
They're talking about the scans in the calc blog. All of them are dead.they don't work??
Because of my previous point:We saw Illulu flying in tohru direction, then she answers with a ''TCH'' and kicks Illulu, thats the scan 1 and 2, how is it not reacting to a MHS flight?
they would automatically scale to the MHS+ feat, since they could just be moving slower in that instance. You would need to prove she was moving that fast during the fight itself
why would she not move fast in a fight if they can casually reach the MHS speeds? the MHS feat from Kanna was casual, and Kanna is literally a fodder dragon in the verse, she is the worst there, and Tohru and Illulu fight was a hard fight that could have caused death, why would they suddently moves slower than a fodder weak dragon that peformed a casual MHS feat?Because of my previous point:
Because this is the rule regarding travel speedwhy would she not move fast in a fight if they can casually reach the MHS speeds?
I've highlighted the portions that likely apply here. Just simply being able to reach MHS+ speeds in a couple seconds does not indicate they scale to the speed feat. We have plenty of example of characters breaking into the MFTL range without it scaling to their reactions for these reasons.Regarding Travel/Flight Feats and Reactions
If a character travels or flies very fast through a very empty terrain, in which it doesn't necessarily have to react to sudden obstacles, the speed in question is travel or flight speed, but not necessarily reaction speed. In order for it to also be reaction speed, and the speed in total hence applying to the character's combat speed, the character either must have demonstrated the ability to react to sudden obstacles while traveling at this speed, have a calculation made that supports the character having corresponding reaction speed/time or otherwise demonstrate having comparable reactions.
Simply being able to stop accurately at the target destination does typically not qualify, as it can be spotted from a large distance to make preparations to stop or the character could even slow down before reaching the destination, assuming we only know the average speed with which they moved.
The typical example of such cases of travel/flight speed that doesn't necessarily scale to reactions is space travel. As space is incredibly empty there are virtually no objects one has to navigate around between destinations. Just flying in a straight line from A to B would be safe. At the same time the typical destinations, such as stars and planets, are so large that they can easily be seen from millions of kilometers away. As a result a character would only need reactions equal to a miniscule fraction of their travel speed to perform a safe and precise landing on them.
We.... do not do that. We only use one second if the narrative supports one second.the average timeframe that we currently use to feats that happend in a manga page to other page it's 1 second
So, the bold part mentions:I've highlighted the portions that likely apply here. Just simply being able to reach MHS+ speeds in a couple seconds does not indicate they scale to the speed feat. We have plenty of example of characters breaking into the MFTL range without it scaling to their reactions for these reasons.
I do remember someone saying itWe.... do not do that. We only use one second if the narrative supports one second.
You're confusing what that post is referring to. Them fighting is obviously not flight speed but isn't proveably MHS+ either, since that is all scaling. This standard of evidence applies only to Kanna flying to NYC, which is where the MHS+ rating comes from.which is what happend
Let me see, so, this is a Kanna-Only thread and not envolved with Illulu and Tohru feat? then sure I guess, however, Kanna can tag tohru with her attacks and also dodge Tohru attacks, but they stated that they were just playing around, so, whatever, well, I don't mind what happens to Kanna, because it doesnt affect the others characters at allYou're confusing what thst post is referring to. Them fighting is obviously not flight speed bit isn't proveably MHS+ either, since thst is all scaling. This standard of evidence applies on to Kanna flying to NYC, which is where the MHS+ rating comes from.
You would need to prove the bolded parts apply to Kanna in order for people to scale to that speed.
IIRC their attacks can reach outer space within a very short timeframe, can they not?Let me see, so, this is a Kanna-Only thread and not envolved with Illulu and Tohru feat? then sure I guess, however, Kanna can tag tohru with her attacks and also dodge Tohru attacks, but they stated that they were just playing around, so, whatever, well, I don't mind what happens to Kanna, because it doesnt affect the others characters at all
I do remember something like that happening in Elma vs Tohru fightIIRC their attacks can reach outer space within a very short timeframe, can they not?
To layout what the OP's point isLet me see, so, this is a Kanna-Only thread and not envolved with Illulu and Tohru feat
Yeah, Tohru and Elma's beam clash easily reached outer space in the manga. IDK about anime but the feat should be visually similar.I do remember something like that happening in Elma vs Tohru fight
Meh, they can fly and fight in the floor in the same speeds, as Tohru doesnt need to fly to catch bloodlusted illulu flying, and Tohru attacks along with Elma also reached the outer space in a single page, and they can dodge their attacks, they can fight etc, ig their combat/reaction scales to their flight speed anywaysTo layout what the OP's point is
- Everyone is currently MHS+ because of Kanna's feat
- Kanna's feat is travel speed
- Ergo, everyone has MHS+ travel speed but their combat speed now needs a different justification or be lowered
You would need a statement or another feat for this point to have backing. Them fighting vaguely fast is not justification for scaling flight speed to combat speed.Meh, they can fly and fight in the floor in the same speeds, as Tohru doesnt need to fly to catch bloodlusted illulu flying,
If they scale to their beams' speed, then yes, that can be used for combat speed.Tohru attacks along with Elma also reached the outer space in a single page, and they can dodge their attacks
I mean, dragons can fly with each other there, and they also can react and fight against others flying dragons even if they aren't flying but the enemy dragon is, why would it not scale?not justification for scaling flight speed to combat speed.
Because there's no indication given so far that they're moving at MHS+ speeds.why would it not scale
And for which reason they would move slower than a fodder dragon that peformed a casual feat?Because there's no indication given so far that they're moving at MHS+ speeds.
Again, you need a hard statement or explicit supporting evidence that they fight at MHS+ speeds. Just fighting isn't enough, since they could be moving much slower.