Because, as I've mentioned multiple times, you need to prove they scale their combat speed to their flight speed. Just saying "well it should make sense" isn't enough evidence. Either calc a new feat or find a proper speed justification to keep the current scaling.
and as said multiples times, they fight and react to others dragons flight, which fits all criteria
You're confusing the criteria. They only would fit it if during the feat itself they reacted and fought Kanna. Different people doing something at a different event is not evidence of combat speed scaling to travel speed. We as a site acknowledge different levels of speed are a valid possibility which is one of the prime reasons things like reaction stacking is not allowed under our rules.
Yeah.
That doesn't prove its combat speed. Just flying fast in a straight line with no obstacles does not mean they can rapidly fight at that speed. You need explicit evidence for that as of now.
I was not saying that that feat itself proves reaction combat speed, I was saying that Tohru flies in the same speed as Kanna, as shown in the scan, same Tohru that can react to others dragons flying and stop it attacks mid air despite when she is not moving at all, it does scales to reaction/combat
But that's what I meant in one of my previous comments. Tohru fighting people while flying does not mean she scales to her flightspeed for the same reason you can't take a calced speed and use it for another speed calc. They're two different instances.
i don't mean it, I mean that even when Tohru is not flying, she can match the dragons that are flying, i don't know if you misunderstood what I said
do you have the scan? I might try to calculate it
It's on her AP page but I forgot the chapter name. Feat happens in Season 2 Episodes 5 to 6 most likely, IDK.
I get that, but it is irrelevant. She would need to react during the feat itself for it to scale to combat speed. The assumption that they must be moving at MHS+ during other scenes is essentially just calc stacking but without a calc at the end.
Because they fly in the same speed as Kanna, so, if their Flight speed is MHS+ and they can properly fight against others dragons even when only the enemy is flying and not you, thats a case of combat/reaction
it literally is a travel speed feat, the difference is that it also scales to their combat/reaction, as Tohru flies in the same speed as Kanna, same Tohru that can have her flight speed reacted by others dragons, even if they arent flying and only Tohru is
That doesn't work per our rules regarding calc stacking, which I'm pretty sure apply to here as well
You would need to have them do something during the feat or have a statement about reflexes for it to scale.
But why? We have characters that can react to a person flying at them but that doesn't mean they scale to their travel speed.
the reaction scales, so, what? i didnt understood what u mean here, and I meant combat/reaction, not flight, i fixed the mistake in the sentence
alr, then all characters are tier 9, because a 5-B feat cannot be used to scale the others that scale to the character that peformed the feat, becauseh hey, thats calc stacking lol
Do you have proof that their reaction speed is the same as their flight speed? Just intercepting someone in another scene isn't evidence as mentioned before, you need more to it.
That's AP scaling. As long as they can inflict damage on the person or take a hit they scale assuming no contextually circumstances make the scaling bad (like the 5-B feat was with an amp or only applies to environmental destruction).
Explain to me, how reacting and kicking someone that was flying in ur direction means that it does not scales to reaction?
Because, as I've said before
You need to prove that they were moving at their maximum speed in that instance for it to scale. As an example of what I'm talking about I'll use Smallville. Superman has FTL combat speed and MFTL+ travel speed, but Impulse scales to his travel speed because it was noted that Superman's top speed was still slower than his cruise speed. The Black Racer was also so fast in that arc that Superman was incapable of perceiving his existence until he got amped, further backing the scaling.
different than superman or black whatever, it was nowhere stated that their top speed is lower than their cruise or whatever it means, but i don't even care to it, this is site standards at all, and I don't want to change or mess with it, much less wast my time there, i will not search anything in this verse until certain day, and i legit dont care to what happens to it, as I am a normal user and not staff, it literally does not matter, so, i will not lose my time with bullshit standards until that certain day, well, unfollowing, you guys can do whatever you want to the profiles
Here you go. As KLOL said its from Chapter 44
Cruising speed is the economical speed of a vehicle that isn't their maximum. Like a 747 passenger plane can hit 650 MPH, but its cruising speed is 400-500 MPH because going faster wastes fuel and doesn't really add much benefit to the trip. The comment was just that Superman maximum top speed is what Impulse usually runs at, which is why he is scaled to Superman's travel speed.
Anime versions are fine if they are a one-on-one replica of the manga. Which seems to be that way here.
A lot of Dragon Ball feats aren't 1:1 with the manga either. For example, we are never shown Frieza's Planet Vegeta bust in the manga physically, ever. We use the DBS version for all the canon mediums, including the DBZ manga, the Chou manga and the Super anime. Or Piccolo's moon feat, where the moon-busting portion is anime-exclusive but the beam itself speeding from Earth to the moon applies in full for both manga and all anime versions of the feat that exist for it.
That's why I'm asking how manga vs anime differences are being treated for Dragon Maid.
That would be great.
Same deal here, the actual beam clash here happens more or less in the same way as in the manga (Minus the whole kissing thing in the anime, but the beam itself launches into space the same way as in the manga).
Only if the anime feat has significant visual differences from the manga feat itself, it was concluded as such in a CRT for said topic a year or so back IIRC, MHA was also the center of the discussion.
But that's not part of the actual beam clash, is it? If it isn't, then it shouldn't matter in the long run.
My bad. Prolly look to the Roshi moonbust or Piccolo moon-bust then (If those fit). But my point is, other different feats shouldn't matter if the actual feat we're dealing with is performed in a 1:1 fashion as in the manga. Other feats in other chapters (That may or may not be done in a similar way in the anime) are a non-factor here.
BTW, should I calc both the manga and anime versions of the feat? Or just the manga version?
Both just for in case
Aight.
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