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Miraculous Ladybug General Discussion 2

Monkey_Dunno said:
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I hate that the first thing I thought of was Fortnite...
 
Is there an english release date? I'm not gonna watch Gloob with their need to spoil the entire episode before it comes out
 
Yeah gonna wait for the official dub or at least fansub.

Any news about season 6?
 
Don't be amused, it's just the news!

Miraculous World: Paris, Tales of Toxinelle and Claw Noir sipnosis has been revealed!

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"Miraculous holders from another world appear in Paris. They come from a parallel universe where everything is the other way around. The holders of the Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous, Toxinelle and Black Claw, are the bad guys; and the holder of the Butterfly Miraculous, Hesperia, is a superheroine.

Ladybug and Chat Noir must help Hesperia to counter their evil doubles and stop them from getting their hands on the Butterfly Miraculous. Will our heroes be capable of help Hesperia to make Toxinelle and Black Claw better persons?"
 
Are there any season 5 feats that likely bump the cast beyond High 7-C?
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Are there any season 5 feats that likely bump the cast beyond High 7-C?
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I remember one episode might be from season 4 where cat noir destroyed a cake made by tikki that far dwarfed the planet earth why was it never calced that?
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There is also the addition to their profiles that they no more have the 1 time limit they can now use their powers multiple times without transforming back
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Are there any season 5 feats that likely bump the cast beyond High 7-C?
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Well technically speaking, I did another CRT thread in which I argued that Ladybug and Cat Noir's powers (not themselves) bumps them up to having Low-2C AP with their Miraculous Ladybug and Cataclysm, due to the fact that both are necassary in using the Miraculous Wish and how the nature of the ability works. Its not something of an outlier either as Ladybug has merge and repaired multiple timelines in episodes as early as timetagger, while Cat Noir should downscale from Cat Blanc being able to wipe out timelines at full power with his enchanced Cataclysm.
 
Cataclysm the ability isn't AP, it's hax. Plagg may very well have his own AP in his true form and that's fine. In fact I think Tiki and Plagg should scale to the High 5-A feat. However, Cataclysm the ability, should absolutely not scale to destruction feats since it is a deconstruction ability.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Cataclysm the ability isn't AP, it's hax. Plagg may very well have his own AP in his true form and that's fine. In fact I think Tiki and Plagg should scale to the High 5-A feat. However, Cataclysm the ability, should absolutely not scale to destruction feats since it is a deconstruction ability.
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Again desconstruction does not make explosions nor does it corrode, nor does it curse like it did to hawkmoth. Cataclysm shows a variety of effects, most likely because all of them are ways to destroy stuff which is what Plagg is all about.
 
And all of those stuff have nothing to do with AP?

Explosions are cool but if it's a byproduct of breaking something down then your main ability isn't explosion manip. Corroding is literally a hax ability and cursing Hawkmoth is just giving him a status effect before he fully deconstructs.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
And all of those stuff have nothing to do with AP?

Explosions are cool but if it's a byproduct of breaking something down then your main ability isn't explosion manip. Corroding is literally a hax ability and cursing Hawkmoth is just giving him a status effect before he fully deconstructs.
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You know that MCU power stone is pretty much the same thing right? And breaking things doesnt cause explosions "look i broke my toy and lost a foot because the breaking caused an explosion"
The point is Cataclysm does not only desconstruct things it destroy them its AP
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Cataclysm the ability isn't AP, it's hax. Plagg may very well have his own AP in his true form and that's fine. In fact I think Tiki and Plagg should scale to the High 5-A feat. However, Cataclysm the ability, should absolutely not scale to destruction feats since it is a deconstruction ability.
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Sir_Ovens said:
And all of those stuff have nothing to do with AP?

Explosions are cool but if it's a byproduct of breaking something down then your main ability isn't explosion manip. Corroding is literally a hax ability and cursing Hawkmoth is just giving him a status effect before he fully deconstructs.
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I agree with the sentiment. However, there's indeed a destruction aspect involved with Cataclysm (a that the very least in Dearest Family) that seem aside of it’s properties. I was thinking on proposing a variable tier for Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous holders for their Cataclysm, Lucky Charm and Miraculous Ladybug,

FireSwordHero said:
Well technically speaking, I did another CRT thread in which I argued that Ladybug and Cat Noir's powers (not themselves) bumps them up to having Low-2C AP with their Miraculous Ladybug and Cataclysm, due to the fact that both are necassary in using the Miraculous Wish and how the nature of the ability works. Its not something of an outlier either as Ladybug has merge and repaired multiple timelines in episodes as early as timetagger, while Cat Noir should downscale from Cat Blanc being able to wipe out timelines at full power with his enchanced Cataclysm.
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I’ve been holding myself to addressing this subject since I didn’t want to bring up Spoilers, but Ladybug and Chat Noir should absolutely not scale to the Ultimate Wish. That requires Plagg and Tikki to reveal their True Forms to merge in another entity altogether. Ladybug and Chat Noir can't and shouldn’t scale to Gimmi because they have the restricted power of Tikki and Plagg.

The only thing related to scaling with Tier 2 I see factible at this point is that True Tikki and True Plagg should be above Chat Blanc, as they are the source of the Ultimate Power of the verse. But this doesn’t involves Ladybug and Chat Noir in any capacity.
 
Monkey_Dunno said:
The only thing related to scaling with Tier 2 I see factible at this point is that True Tikki and True Plagg should be above Chat Blanc, as they are the source of the Ultimate Power of the verse. But this doesn’t involves Ladybug and Chat Noir in any capacity.
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Considering that each kwami is a concept cat blac most likely was copying the power of the real Plagg
 
Monkey_Dunno said:
I agree with the sentiment. However, there's indeed a destruction aspect involved with Cataclysm (a that the very least in Dearest Family) that seem aside of it’s properties. I was thinking on proposing a variable tier for Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous holders for their Cataclysm, Lucky Charm and Miraculous Ladybug,
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I dont think that should be done because there is no variable tier, they just use whatever power is needed at the moment we saw Lucky charm literally create a car and a big piano but sometimes its just glue, the same for cataclysm and miraculous ladybug that thing can put earth on its orbit and even fix timelines but sometimes it only does as much as fixing roads or buildings.
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Considering that each kwami is a concept cat blac most likely was copying the power of the real Plagg
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Kwamis are concepts both in their Restricted and True Forms. Lucky Charm, Cataclysm and so on are also embodiments of such, hence why Orikko cannot use another Kwami's powers, as a concept is only allowed to exist once in the universe.

What changes is the output.

Suigetsuhyugs said:
I dont think that should be done because there is no variable tier, they just use whatever power is needed at the moment we saw Lucky charm literally create a car and a big piano but sometimes its just glue, the same for cataclysm and miraculous ladybug that thing can put earth on its orbit and even fix timelines but sometimes it only does as much as fixing roads or buildings.
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Well, that’s kinda the reason why it is Variable, up to X tier.
 
Monkey_Dunno said:
Kwamis are concepts both in their Restricted and True Forms. Lucky Charm, Cataclysm and so on are also embodiments of such, hence why Orikko cannot use another Kwami's powers, as a concept is only allowed to exist once in the universe.

What changes is the output.
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Exacly, Cat Blanc's cataclysm is basically if cat noir had no morals and started to destroy everything.
Monkey_Dunno said:
Well, that’s kinda the reason why it is Variable, up to X tier.
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I dont think that would be allowed even more now that a CRT about the use of "varies" was made so that people do not abuse it. Their tier doesnt actually change what changes is the necessity the situation requires
 
New Sypnosis for Miraculous World: Paris, the Adventures of Shadybug and Claw Noir

As Marinette and Adrien ponder their increasingly burdensome powers, two super-villains from a parallel universe, Shadybug and Claw Noir arrive in their world to seize the Butterfly Miraculous.

Ladybug and Chat Noir must confront their evil doubles to prevent them from doing evil, and to show them that a better world is possible..."

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New poster for the 26 minutes long episode Action. This episode, by the way, is not canon.

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Season 6 is set to air at the fourth quarter of 2024. Prior that, we have the World Paris special, as well as supposedly two hour-long special TV Movies, one featuring the United Heroez and Fei, and the other featuring the Ghostforce; though given that we haven’t heard anything about the former despite the fact that it supposedly airs this year, I think it’s safe to say it got delayed (Color me shocked!)

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Why wouldn't alternative reality be canon? I mean sure shady bug wouldn't be canon for main world ladybug but if they are traveling to the main universe to fight the real ones that part would be canon right?
 
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