Miraculous CRT Part 6

[Lort15]

New Profiles:

Ox Miraculous

The Ox Miraculous is a pair of Nose ring, Ring that, whenever Stompp inhabits them, transform the wearer into an ox-themed superhero with the power of Resistance. To activate the Nose ring, Ring, the user must speak the transformation phrase: " Unknown, Stompp your power is now mine!". To...

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Strike Back

Strikeback (Réplique in the French version) was the final antagonist of Season 4 of Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir, serving as the final antagonist of the episode "Risk", and the titular central antagonist of the episode "Strikeback". It was a knight/golem-themed Sentimonster manifested...

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Su-Han

Grand Master Su-Han a celestial guardian of the Miraculous. He was the guardian in charge of watching over the Chinese Miracle Box before Master Fu until his Sentimonster ate him, the miracle boxes, the temple, and the Order of Guardians. After the temple was restored by Ladybug in "Feast"...

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New Abilities:
- Purification (Type 1): (Miraculouses can purify the affects of Reflekdolls, Bee miraculous power, Butterfly Miraculous' Power Nullification Ladybug tells Cat Noir to detransform so he can get rid of the affects of Chrysalis' power null and we see Cat Noir gets his powers back after detransforming and transforming again.)

- Some villains resistance to Purification, Miraculouses aren't able to purify some Villain's powers Such as Psycomedian, Oblivio They weren't able to get their memories and emotions back after detransformation.)

Power Mimicry 1 Layer:
- Hawkmoth (able to mimicry other miraculouses such as Ladybug, Cat Noir, Rena Rouge, and all other superheros powers, it is stated that Miraculous powers can not be copied)

- Mayura (Created a Ladybug sentimonster and the sentimonster have almost same powers as Ladybug)

- Limited Retrocognition for Miraculous holders (Holders are able to talk with other holders in the past)

- Resistance to Information analysis for holders and all akumatized villains, sentimonsters (Uncanny wasn't able to analyze Technolizer because the magic was interfering with her scanning.)
Note: she was able to analyze Marinette's and Adrien's identity because the quantum masking is only meant to confuse human minds

Ladybug:
- Limited resistance to Analytical Prediction (Master Su-Han who can predict movements of his opponent in mid combat couldn't predict Ladybug's attack, Furious Fu who can see the future with his vision couldn't predict Ladybug's exact plan.)

- Self-Memory Manipulation (Can erase her own memories if she makes someone offically the new guardian.)

- Supernatural willpower (Perception Manipulation & Fear: could resist and fight back against Monarch while having the affects of Night Tormentor. Timestamp 0:24)

Cat Blanc:
- Limited Causality Manipulation & Space-Time destruction; (History; Cataclysm was about to destroy all future, present and past and the entire timeline)
- Shockwave Generation (generates shockwave with his mega cataclysm)

Goat Miraculous
- correction (Add Subjective reality to Goat Miraculous; the Goat Miraculous actually brings its own drawings to life. As we can see from how it works, the holder first draws something, and then it becomes real. they are making their own drawings real.)
Feats:
1
2
3
4
Note: A concept can only exist once in the universe, creation is Tikki's concept and Passion is Ziggy's concept
- Range: Hundreds of Kilometers (Gabriel used the Goat's power in Paris to make a meteor real in space, the meteor was created at the edge of space. Ergo, the Karman Line; that's 100 Kilometers.)

Rooster Miraculous
- Probability Manipulation & Homing Attack via sublimation (Rooster bolt choosed a power that score a ball anytime he shoot.)
- Invisibility (Rooster miraculous could grant invisibility to the user)

• Flight (As shown here)
• Object Duplication (As shown here)

- Reactive evolution for Miraculous holders (Miraculous holders can develop new powers, can bypass some powers. Stated by Rena Rouge "Your only limits are the ones you put on yourself", such as Ladybug developing a new power to make Magical charms which can protect others from getting akumatized, Shadowmoth developing a new power to bypass Magical Charm's passive purification, Cat Noir developing a new power to erase others memories.)

Peacock Miraculous correction: (Change limited deconstruction to limited Existence Erasure, it's been stated that "I release you from your existence", "I release you from existence" two blatant statement that it's existence erasure.)

Danmaku for Butterfly Miraculous Holders (As shown here)

Agree: FentyBeauty (as shown here), AsterReal, FinePoint (Agrees with FentyBeauty but doesn't have strong opinion on memory manipulation), ActuallySpaceMan42 (Agrees with everything except disagrees with Ladybug limited resistance to analytical prediction but fine with ladybug having limited resistance to precognition also fine with "possibly probability manipulation" for rooster miraculous), Antvasima same as Actuallyspaceman and finepoint
Disagree:
Neutral: FentyBeauty

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

- Supernatural willpower (Fear: could resist and fight back against Monarch while having the affects of Night Tormentor. Timestamp 0:24)

It looks like it's not Fear, it's Mind & Perception Manipulation Resistance

Cat Blanc:
- Space-Time destruction; (History; Cataclysm was about to destroy all future, present and past and the entire timeline)

Limited Causality Manipulation looks good

 

[Lort15]

It looks like it's not Fear, it's Mind & Perception Manipulation Resistance

it shows their true nightmares but yes i guess this fits better with preception manipulation

Limited Causality Manipulation looks good

isn't causality needs to be stated?

 

[FentyBeauty]

New Profiles:

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Su-Han

Grand Master Su-Han a celestial guardian of the Miraculous. He was the guardian in charge of watching over the Chinese Miracle Box before Master Fu until his Sentimonster ate him, the miracle boxes, the temple, and the Order of Guardians. After the temple was restored by Ladybug in "Feast"...

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okay ate

- Purification (Type 1):

okay

Some villains resistance to Purification, Miraculouses aren't able to purify some Villain's powers Such as Psycomedian, Oblivio They weren't able to get their memories and emotions back after detransformation.)

idk bc psychomedians n oblivios power seem like unconventional bc they affect memories n emotions & the effects that using the miraculous to detransform n transform to get rid of aren’t rlly the same since marinette got paralyzed by nathalie’s venom arrow, reflektdoll changes appearances, & the effect of the anti-kumas happened bc it hit cat noir. not sure tho but i guess it looks good

- Mayura (Created a Ladybug sentimonster and the sentimonster have almost same powers as Ladybug)

she should lowkey have sentimonsters listed in her equipment

- Retrocognition for Miraculous holders (Holders are able to talk with other holders in the past)

- Resistance to Information analysis for holders and all akumatized villains, sentimonsters (Uncanny wasn't able to analyze Technolizer because the magic was interfering with her scanning.)
Note: she was able to analyze Marinette's and Adrien's identity because the quantum masking is only meant to confuse human minds

sure

Ladybug:
- Limited resistance to precognition (Master Su-Han who can predict movements of his opponent in mid combat couldn't predict Ladybug's attack, Furious Fu who can see the future with his vision couldn't predict Ladybug's exact plan.)

- Self-Memory Manipulation (Can erase her own memories if she makes someone offically the new guardian.)

okay

Goat Miraculous

• correction (Change 'creation' to 'subjective reality'
• Range: Planetary (Gabriel used the Goat's power in Paris to make a meteor real in space.)

okay

Rooster Miraculous
- Probability Manipulation & Homing Attack via sublimation (Rooster bolt choosed a power that score a ball anytime he shoot.)
- Invisibility (Rooster miraculous could grant invisibility to the user)

• Flight (As shown here)
• Object Duplication (As shown here)

good

Reactive evolution for Miraculous holders (Miraculous holders can develop new powers, can bypass some powers. Stated by Rena Rouge "Your only limits are the ones you put on yourself", such as Ladybug developing a new power to make Magical charms which can protect others from getting akumatized

i wouldn’t rlly say that’s a new power, alya noted that ladybug’s power was creation n to create, and that was what marinette did - create a magical charm, since she mostly focused on lucky charms in fights. i think what that whole scene meant was about holders being open-minded

Shadowmoth developing a new power to bypass Magical Charm's passive purification, Cat Noir developing a new power to erase others memories.)

all of these seem like AD since nathalie said if ladybug can create charms to repel his akumas, he could create stronger akumas too, which is just talking abt improving the ability he already had

cat noir’s situation also seems to be the same case as marinette’s too since he’s using the power for what it was meant to do, which is to destroy n thats what he did to the memories. ladybug’s power is abt fixing things n cat noir is just undoing everything caused by the villain

i think RE could only work if they were fighting someone n they developed abilities or stats to counter them at the moment, but i’m not very knowledgable abt that either so ig i’m neutral for this

Peacock Miraculous correction: (Change limited deconstruction to limited Existence Erasure, it's been stated that "I release you from your existence", "I release you from existence" two blatant statement that it's existence erasure.)

agreed

Danmaku for Butterfly Miraculous Holders (As shown here)

i don’t think thats danmaku, bc lila is making her shoot anti-kumas one at a time at a rlly quick rate, n that’s rlly not enough for it either

• To qualify for Danmaku, the user has to be shown to create tens or dozens of projectiles in a very short timeframe (i.e., at least 20 to 24 minimum). The projectiles don't need to be created simultaneously but they should all be shown in motion at roughly the same time.

 

[Lort15]

okay ate

thx

idk bc psychomedians n oblivios power seem like unconventional bc they affect memories n emotions & the effects that using the miraculous to detransform n transform to get rid of aren’t rlly the same since marinette got paralyzed by nathalie’s venom arrow, reflektdoll changes appearances, & the effect of the anti-kumas happened bc it hit cat noir. not sure tho but i guess it looks good

not sure if you are agreeing or not

she should lowkey have sentimonsters listed in her equipment

i actually made a crt about it, it got approved but i'm lazy to add them to profile

i wouldn’t rlly say that’s a new power, alya noted that ladybug’s power was creation n to create, and that was what marinette did - create a magical charm, since she mostly focused on lucky charms in fights. i think what that whole scene meant was about holders being open-minded

all of these seem like AD since nathalie said if ladybug can create charms to repel his akumas, he could create stronger akumas too, which is just talking abt improving the ability he already had

cat noir’s situation also seems to be the same case as marinette’s too since he’s using the power for what it was meant to do, which is to destroy n thats what he did to the memories. ladybug’s power is abt fixing things n cat noir is just undoing everything caused by the villain

i think RE could only work if they were fighting someone n they developed abilities or stats to counter them at the moment, but i’m not very knowledgable abt that either so ig i’m neutral for this

ye i kinda did explained bad but this still must fall under reactive evolution because they develop a new method, make their powers more stronger and also cat noir got NPI because of erasing memories

i don’t think thats danmaku, bc lila is making her shoot anti-kumas one at a time at a rlly quick rate, n that’s rlly not enough for it either

hmm in that case it doesn't qualify for it

 

[FentyBeauty]

not sure if you are agreeing or not

ya i agree with it

i actually made a crt about it, it got approved but i'm lazy to add them to profile

get ur ass up n work!

ye i kinda did explained bad but this still must fall under reactive evolution because they develop a new method, make their powers more stronger and also cat noir got NPI because of erasing memories

i mean.. i could see it working bc cat noir never used his powers like that before n ladybug just put him on the spot since her powers couldnt work

 

[Lort15]

ya i agree with it

oh alr

get ur ass up n work!

hihhihihihihhii no.

i mean.. i could see it working bc cat noir never used his powers like that before n ladybug just put him on the spot since her powers couldnt work

sooo you agree with it?

 

[AsterReal]

- Purification (Type 1): (Miraculouses can purify the affects of Reflekdolls, Bee miraculous power, Butterfly Miraculous' Power Nullification Ladybug tells Cat Noir to detransform so he can get rid of the affects of Chrysalis' power null and we see Cat Noir gets his powers back after detransforming and transforming again.)

I agree.

- Some villains resistance to Purification, Miraculouses aren't able to purify some Villain's powers Such as Psycomedian, Oblivio They weren't able to get their memories and emotions back after detransformation.)

I agree.

Power Mimicry 1 Layer:
- Hawkmoth (able to mimicry other miraculouses such as Ladybug, Cat Noir, Rena Rouge, and all other superheros powers, it is stated that Miraculous powers can not be copied)

I agree.

- Mayura (Created a Ladybug sentimonster and the sentimonster have almost same powers as Ladybug)

I agree.

- Retrocognition for Miraculous holders (Holders are able to talk with other holders in the past)

Change it to limited, since they can only talk to previous Miraculous holders and need a Kawatama to do so, and they can only talk to holders of the Miraculous of the Kwami that provided the Kawatama.

- Resistance to Information analysis for holders and all akumatized villains, sentimonsters (Uncanny wasn't able to analyze Technolizer because the magic was interfering with her scanning.)
Note: she was able to analyze Marinette's and Adrien's identity because the quantum masking is only meant to confuse human minds

I agree.

Ladybug:
- Limited resistance to precognition (Master Su-Han who can predict movements of his opponent in mid combat couldn't predict Ladybug's attack, Furious Fu who can see the future with his vision couldn't predict Ladybug's exact plan.)

- Self-Memory Manipulation (Can erase her own memories if she makes someone offically the new guardian.)

- Supernatural willpower (Perception Manipulation & Fear: could resist and fight back against Monarch while having the affects of Night Tormentor. Timestamp 0:24)

I agree.

Cat Blanc:
- Space-Time destruction; (History; Cataclysm was about to destroy all future, present and past and the entire timeline)

Honestly, I'm not sure. But given that the windows of the burrow showed static, I'm inclined to agree.

- Shockwave Generation (generates shockwave with his mega cataclysm)

I agree.

Goat Miraculous
- correction (Change 'creation' to 'subjective reality'; the Goat Miraculous actually brings its own drawings to life. As we can see from how it works, the holder first draws something, and then it becomes real. So, they are not creating something out of nothing — they are making their own drawings real.)
Feats:
1
2
3
4
Note: A concept can only exist once in the universe, creation is Tikki's concept and Passion is Ziggy's concept
- Range: Planetary (Gabriel used the Goat's power in Paris to make a meteor real in space.)

I agree.

Rooster Miraculous
- Probability Manipulation & Homing Attack via sublimation (Rooster bolt choosed a power that score a ball anytime he shoot.)
- Invisibility (Rooster miraculous could grant invisibility to the user)

• Flight (As shown here)
• Object Duplication (As shown here)

I agree.

- Reactive evolution for Miraculous holders (Miraculous holders can develop new powers, can bypass some powers. Stated by Rena Rouge "Your only limits are the ones you put on yourself", such as Ladybug developing a new power to make Magical charms which can protect others from getting akumatized, Shadowmoth developing a new power to bypass Magical Charm's passive purification, Cat Noir developing a new power to erase others memories.)

I agree.

Peacock Miraculous correction: (Change limited deconstruction to limited Existence Erasure, it's been stated that "I release you from your existence", "I release you from existence" two blatant statement that it's existence erasure.)

I agree.

 

[Lort15]

Change it to limited, since they can only talk to previous Miraculous holders and need a Kawatama to do so, and they can only talk to holders of the Miraculous of the Kwami that provided the Kawatama.

Sure

Honestly, I'm not sure. But given that the windows of the burrow showed static, I'm inclined to agree.

yeah bunnix wasn't able to travel through present,past and future literally Cat blanc was about to destroy everything as he stated

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

I'll go first with the abilities in the post, then on the profiles.

- Purification (Type 1): (Miraculouses can purify the affects of Reflekdolls

No purication here. They are just transforming after being turned into a Reflekta, and since the appearance of the holder is based on their personality, they are transforming in what they'd be. They are still a Reflekta under the transformation.

Bee miraculous power

This is part of the Miraculouses' Perception Manipulation messing with Safari's powers. Since Safari's power can't detect that Ladybug and Marinette are the same person, the effect is lost.

De-Transformation (or transformation if even posible) on itself doesn't removes the effects of Venom.

Butterfly Miraculous' Power Nullification Ladybug tells Cat Noir to detransform so he can get rid of the affects of Chrysalis' power null and we see Cat Noir gets his powers back after detransforming and transforming again.

Pseudo-Resistance to Power Nullification.

Power Mimicry 1 Layer:
- Hawkmoth (able to mimicry other miraculouses such as Ladybug, Cat Noir, Rena Rouge, and all other superheros powers, it is stated that Miraculous powers can not be copied)

- Mayura (Created a Ladybug sentimonster and the sentimonster have almost same powers as Ladybug)

I believe it'd come across as disingenuous to have the Butterfly and Peacock upscaling to the Rooster becuase of an explanation that should also apply to both of them. It's an internal inconsistency, so count me as neutral at best here.

- Limited Retrocognition for Miraculous holders (Holders are able to talk with other holders in the past)

This is Summoning.

- Resistance to Information analysis for holders and all akumatized villains, sentimonsters (Uncanny wasn't able to analyze Technolizer because the magic was interfering with her scanning.)

Agree.

- Limited resistance to precognition (Master Su-Han who can predict movements of his opponent in mid combat couldn't predict Ladybug's attack, Furious Fu who can see the future with his vision couldn't predict Ladybug's exact plan.)

This is Ladybug being unpredictable, it's a skill feat, not a resistance. I'll touch more on this when I get through the profiles - Also Resistance to Non-Analytical Prediction Precognition is Acausality, which Ladybug clearly isn't.

- Self-Memory Manipulation (Can erase her own memories if she makes someone offically the new guardian.)

Agree. But it's Limited Memory Manipulation.

- Supernatural willpower (Perception Manipulation & Fear: could resist and fight back against Monarch while having the affects of Night Tormentor. Timestamp 0:24)

t looks like it's not Fear, it's Mind & Perception Manipulation Resistance

it shows their true nightmares but yes i guess this fits better with preception manipulation

It's explicitly Fear Manipulation. And it's a Resistance to that instead of (or through) Supernatural Willpower.

Cat Blanc:
- Space-Time destruction; (History; Cataclysm was about to destroy all future, present and past and the entire timeline)
- Shockwave Generation (generates shockwave with his mega cataclysm)

Agree. Wiki broke the Link for the shockwave tho.

Goat Miraculous
- correction (Change 'creation' to 'subjective reality'; the Goat Miraculous actually brings its own drawings to life. As we can see from how it works, the holder first draws something, and then it becomes real. So, they are not creating something out of nothing — they are making their own drawings real.)
Feats:
1
2
3
4
Note: A concept can only exist once in the universe, creation is Tikki's concept and Passion is Ziggy's concept

It's Creation through Subjective Reality. Goat does the same as the Butterfly and Peacock on doing what in wants, hence why Safari was able to replicate the powers of several Miraculouses through it.

- Range: Planetary (Gabriel used the Goat's power in Paris to make a meteor real in space.)

The meteor was created at the edge of space. Ergo, the Karman Line; that's 100 Kilometers, so the Range would be Hundreds of Kilometers.

Rooster Miraculous
- Probability Manipulation & Homing Attack via sublimation (Rooster bolt choosed a power that score a ball anytime he shoot.)
- Invisibility (Rooster miraculous could grant invisibility to the user)

• Flight (As shown here)
• Object Duplication (As shown here)

No because this is the Result of Self-Power Bestowal. Sublimation gives you the power of your choice, so it's either redundant or restrictive.

- Reactive evolution for Miraculous holders (Miraculous holders can develop new powers, can bypass some powers. Stated by Rena Rouge "Your only limits are the ones you put on yourself", such as Ladybug developing a new power to make Magical charms which can protect others from getting akumatized, Shadowmoth developing a new power to bypass Magical Charm's passive purification, Cat Noir developing a new power to erase others memories.)

Limited Statistics Amplification as every holder can just break through any limit their concept allows, as only they give them their limits.

L I M I T L E S S L I M I T E D S T A T I S T I C A M P L I F I C A T I O N​

isn't lost on me.

 

[AsterReal]

Limited Statistics Amplification as every holder can just break through any limit their concept allows, as only they give them their limits.

How is unlocking new powers not Reactive Evolution? At the very least, it could be Unconventional Reactive Evolution or Limited specifically to the Miraculous in question and not to the bearer itself.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

How is unlocking new powers not Reactive Evolution? At the very least, it could be Unconventional Reactive Evolution or Limited specifically to the Miraculous in question and not to the bearer itself.

Reactive Evolution is getting a new power/getting stronger out of adapting to an specific attack and developing a new power as a response. Miraculouses don't do this. They only have limits self-imposed by their holders, so there's no actual adaptation going on there.

 

[AsterReal]

Reactive Evolution is getting a new power/getting stronger out of adapting to an specific attack and developing a new power as a response. Miraculouses don't do this. They only have limits self-imposed by their holders, so there's no actual adaptation going on there.

How would you classify the fact that Shadow Moth created an Akuma specifically to counter Ladybug's Magic Charms? Or Ladybug herself creating her Magic Charms to prevent akumatization?

Ladybug creates a power to counter Shadow Moth --><--- Shadow Moth creates a power to counter Ladybug.

 

[Lort15]

will reply when available

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

How would you classify the fact that Shadow Moth created an Akuma specifically to counter Ladybug's Magic Charms? Or Ladybug herself creating her Magic Charms to prevent akumatization?

Ladybug creates a power to counter Shadow Moth --><--- Shadow Moth creates a power to counter Ladybug.

Adaptation. Just not on the powers end.

Crafting an specific ability to counter someone in particular is common in fiction. Is neither Reactive Evolution nor Adaptation because it's not the actual function of the power, but what their users made it to be.

 

[AsterReal]

Adaptation. Just not on the powers end.

Crafting an specific ability to counter someone in particular is common in fiction. Is neither Reactive Evolution nor Adaptation because it's not the actual function of the power, but what their users made it to be.

Well, in that case. Unless the OP provides better evidence for Reactive Evolution, I think I'll agree with you.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

New Profiles:

In general: Profiles with only one version of the character don't have keys included in the profile.

Renders are preferred. Use this for Su-Han, this for Strikeback and I'll find something for the Ox Miraculous later, someday, probably, maybe.

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Stand by everything I said before. Also the Activation Phrase is "Stompp, Make Way!". No major problems otherwise.

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Large Size (Type 2, have the height of 80-90 meters

Considering Strikeback is about half as tall as the Montparnasse Tower even after reducing his size with Multitude, i'd say he's taller than that.

Invulnerability Negation (Stated by Ladybug that Strike Back can copy other holders powers which includes Minitourax, Harmed and Defeated Minitourax, normally Minitourax is suppost to be can't harmed by Akumatized Villains and Sentimonsters because they get their Physical stats from an akuma & amok, as shown here and here.)

Minotaurox never used Resistance against Strikeback. Ladybug specifically told him not to. Also those instance are Resistance negating the Super Power that comes with hit, Minotaurox own durability does the rest.

Power Mimicry (Can copy it's opponent's powers when someone interacts with him. Copied Polymouse, Vesperia, Purple Tigress and Cat Noir's powers, as stated by Rena Rouge "He can copy our powers" and Ladybug warns others to not attack him anymore because it will make him more powerful.)

This is fine but just change the phrasing. "Can copy it's opponent's powers when someone interacts with him. Copied Polymouse, Vesperia, Purple Tigress and Cat Noir's powers" Use Rena Furtive's comment to explain he can copy powers and show the examples, the rest comes across as redudant information.

All super powers of the Miraculouses except Peacock Miraculous (All super powers of the Miraculouses are only means special powers that their holders have such as Lucky Charm, Cataclysm, Mirage etc... , Was unaffacted by Venom, Cataclysm and clout. It's been stated that if Miraculers keeps attacking him it will make him more powerful which means he won't be affected by other miraculous powers.)

Strike Back doesn't has en inherent resistance to every Miraculous Power, he was after all defeated by the Horse Miraculous Teleporting him to the sun. He should only have the Resinstance for those abilities he has shown to resist.

Ladybug is ordering not to attack him because she doesn't knows if the Miraculers can stop them with ther powers and if they can't he'll just copy them, which would just make things worse on the long run. She's playing safe.

Also within abilties, Inorganic Physiology should be added.

Speed: Hypersonic with FTL combat and reaction speed (Should be comparable to The Mime, Should be comparable to other Sentimonsters, Defeated Miraculers offscreen, tagged Cat Noir.)

He should have possibly Hypersonic speed since he's consistenly shown to travel way slower than the Miraculers, but I'm fine either way.

Range: Tens of Meters (via sheer size), higher with clout (performed this with clout)

Clout thing isn't a range feat, but he should have hundreds of meters if not kilometers with Clout anyways.

Su-Han

Grand Master Su-Han a celestial guardian of the Miraculous. He was the guardian in charge of watching over the Chinese Miracle Box before Master Fu until his Sentimonster ate him, the miracle boxes, the temple, and the Order of Guardians. After the temple was restored by Ladybug in "Feast"...

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Martial Arts & Precognition (Expert Hand to Hand combatant, Superior to Ladybug and Cat Noir, Master Su-Han is trained for years to learn how to neutralize miraculous holders in combat, he can guess his opponents movements in combat, easily defeated and outskilled Ladybug and Cat Noir in combat)
Adaptation (States in the combat that, his mira kung-fu is like water it adapts and find its way anywhere, Ladybug states that he guess' every move Ladybug and Cat Noir does and adapts to their fightning techniques.)

Su-Han's ability is Analytical Prediction (it's listed within the page after both abilities were merged). Precog is supernatural in nature, AP is sheer skill and intuition allowing you to read into movements in advance.

Also, it's not Adaptation on the sense that the Wiki conceives it.

Electricity Manipulation (Was unharmed by the lightning caused by Furious Fu)

That's a Dodge.

Stamina: Superhuman (Must be as the same way how he went to Tibetan from Paris. He leapt from the towering peaks of the highest Tibetan mountain all the way to Paris, arriving without showing the slightest sign of fatigue. No sooner had he landed than he faced off against Ladybug and Cat Noir, effortlessly overpowering them both without breaking a sweat or losing any strength.)

This is correct and you can also add that he finds not being able to spend a day without eating nor performing one thousand finger push-ups as puny.

I'm fine with everything else.

Edit:

About Strike Back

Duplication, Size Shrinking and Large Size (Type 2: potentially can range from Type 2 to Type 1) (With Multitude)

There's no reason for which Strikeback wouldn't be capable of reducing his size to much smaller copies with Multitude.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

it shows their true nightmares but yes i guess this fits better with preception manipulation

Then it's Limited Resistance to Fear Manipulation, Dream Manipulation, Mind Manipulation and Perception Manipulation

isn't causality needs to be stated?

No need, since it affects history itself

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

It's explicitly Fear Manipulation. And it's a Resistance to that instead of (or through) Supernatural Willpower.

Yh after remember it's nightmare manipulation, it should be Fear, Dream, Perception Manipulation, but it should count as Limited Resistance

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Then it's Limited Resistance to Fear Manipulation, Dream Manipulation, Mind Manipulation and Perception Manipulation

I don’t see what’s the Limited part.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I don’t see what’s the Limited part.

She literally get affected by it

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Self-Memory Manipulation (Can erase her own memories if she makes someone offically the new guardian.)

Nah, it's the after effects of renouncing her gaurdian authority, same was with master fu.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

She literally get affected by it

Breaking free of Mental Manipulation is plain resistance to X Manipulation regardless if they got initially affected.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Nah, it's the after effects of renouncing her gaurdian authority, same was with master fu.

Fu does has Limited Memory Manipulation because of this.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Then it should be removed .

 

[Lort15]

I'll go first with the abilities in the post, then on the profiles.


No purication here. They are just transforming after being turned into a Reflekta, and since the appearance of the holder is based on their personality, they are transforming in what they'd be. They are still a Reflekta under the transformation.

they weren't reflekta under the transformation after the find ends miraculous ladybug never fixed them as we seen in the ep it didn't went over them so the miraculouses literally purified the affects of reflekdoll

This is part of the Miraculouses' Perception Manipulation messing with Safari's powers. Since Safari's power can't detect that Ladybug and Marinette are the same person, the effect is lost.

De-Transformation (or transformation if even posible) on itself doesn't removes the effects of Venom.

forgot about this scene then it doesn't work on it

Pseudo-Resistance to Power Nullification.

not really it's purification again

I believe it'd come across as disingenuous to have the Butterfly and Peacock upscaling to the Rooster becuase of an explanation that should also apply to both of them. It's an internal inconsistency, so count me as neutral at best here.

i wouldn't call that inconsistency that's a layer thing working as usual

This is Summoning.

alr

This is Ladybug being unpredictable, it's a skill feat, not a resistance. I'll touch more on this when I get through the profiles - Also Resistance to Non-Analytical Prediction Precognition is Acausality, which Ladybug clearly isn't.

it's actually analytical prediction but eh i thought writing it as precognition wouldn't hurt anyone i see them do that with tanjiro it's actually resistance to analytical prediction which is also a common resistance that given to charactershttps://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gun_Park#:~:text=%2C%20Resistance%20to%20Analytical%20Prediction%20(Completely%20outmatched%20Warren%2C%20Eli%2C%20and%20Max%20and%20Derek

Agree. But it's Limited Memory Manipulation.

why limited? i mean it's working method is just different i think it should counts as self-memory manip

It's explicitly Fear Manipulation. And it's a Resistance to that instead of (or through) Supernatural Willpower.

yes it includes fear manip too but also perception manipulation literally similiar to lich's it was showing their true nightmares,

(the line between resistance to these abilities and supernatural willpower is too complicated to detect sigh) i'm fine with resistance or with SW

Agree. Wiki broke the Link for the shockwave tho.

i will fix

It's Creation through Subjective Reality. Goat does the same as the Butterfly and Peacock on doing what in wants, hence why Safari was able to replicate the powers of several Miraculouses through it.

So SR + Creation?

The meteor was created at the edge of space. Ergo, the Karman Line; that's 100 Kilometers, so the Range would be Hundreds of Kilometers.

okay i will change this

No because this is the Result of Self-Power Bestowal. Sublimation gives you the power of your choice, so it's either redundant or restrictive.

yes as i said via sublimation i'm adding them because they are notable feats that rooster bold has made it doesn't mean the holders are just limited to these abilities

Limited Statistics Amplification as every holder can just break through any limit their concept allows, as only they give them their limits.

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isn't lost on me.

this isn't statistic amps, statistic amps doesn't grants you new abilities it just buffs your physical stats the page literally says this
This is also not to be confused with a change in form or state, and is thus not typically associated with any new abilities in particular.
It must fall under reactive evolution i agree that they must be open minded for that to be happen but i mean this is also a part of evolution it's just their working methods are a bit different than the usual one they don't need to be heavily injured to develop new powers however limited reactive evolution could work as mentioned they can only develop new powers under their concepts

In general: Profiles with only one version of the character don't have keys included in the profile.

Renders are preferred. Use this for Su-Han, this for Strikeback and I'll find something for the Ox Miraculous later, someday, probably, maybe.

oh thanks i really needed those lol

Stand by everything I said before. Also the Activation Phrase is "Stompp, Make Way!". No major problems otherwise.

yeah i forgot to add

Considering Strikeback is about half as tall as the Montparnasse Tower even after reducing his size with Multitude, i'd say he's taller than that.

hmm i actually tried to make it with his og size so what is the exact height taller than 90 meters?

Minotaurox never used Resistance against Strikeback. Ladybug specifically told him not to. Also those instance are Resistance negating the Super Power that comes with hit, Minotaurox own durability does the rest.

We don't know if Minotaurox used his power or not but it's implied that if he uses his power it would be get copied by strikeback which also means he bypasses his invulnurability. As seen from the things multiple times holders aren't affected by physical attacks only caused by superpowers such as shadybug trying to harm monarch with her lucky charm but it doesn't work it gets reflected

This is fine but just change the phrasing. "Can copy it's opponent's powers when someone interacts with him. Copied Polymouse, Vesperia, Purple Tigress and Cat Noir's powers" Use Rena Furtive's comment to explain he can copy powers and show the examples, the rest comes across as redudant information.

oke, you can make the change too i guess it's not locked to edit

Strike Back doesn't has en inherent resistance to every Miraculous Power, he was after all defeated by the Horse Miraculous Teleporting him to the sun. He should only have the Resinstance for those abilities he has shown to resist.

oh yeah my bad he was affected by voyage but uh given the statement that the others can stay with "possible rating" maybe?

Also within abilties, Inorganic Physiology should be added.

type 2?

He should have possibly Hypersonic speed since he's consistenly shown to travel way slower than the Miraculers, but I'm fine either way.

hmm alright, i've seen in the profiles that every mlb char has it so it wouldn't be a problem to add it

Clout thing isn't a range feat, but he should have hundreds of meters if not kilometers with Clout anyways.

do we need a calc for that? i mean range

Su-Han's ability is Analytical Prediction (it's listed within the page after both abilities were merged). Precog is supernatural in nature, AP is sheer skill and intuition allowing you to read into movements in advance.

as i said above i've meant analytical prediction (it falls under precog so i didn't think it would make it worse)

Also, it's not Adaptation on the sense that the Wiki conceives it.

i remember some characters having adaptation because of adaptating to others fightning style i suppose it could work

That's a Dodge.

they got hit and fall because of that but can be removed if neccecary i guess su han doesnt have any resistance

This is correct and you can also add that he finds not being able to spend a day without eating nor performing one thousand finger push-ups as puny.

oh righttt that was the thing i've been looking for

I'm fine with everything else.

Edit:

About Strike Back



There's no reason for which Strikeback wouldn't be capable of reducing his size to much smaller copies with Multitude.

i didn't mention something like that ig?

 

[Lort15]

Nah, it's the after effects of renouncing her gaurdian authority, same was with master fu.

yeah and they have self-memory manipulation because of that rule, the ability must be noted

 

[Lort15]

No need, since it affects history itself

don't think it would work but let's add it

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

yeah and they have self-memory manipulation because of that rule, the ability must be noted

That is not their own ability but a side effect of renouncing their authority hence you can't give it to them.

 

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That is not their own ability but a side effect of renouncing their authority hence you can't give it to them.

its similiar to having a weapon that could erase memories they have access to this ability whenever they want it must count in profiles

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

they weren't reflekta under the transformation after the find ends miraculous ladybug never fixed them as we seen in the ep it didn't went over them so the miraculouses literally purified the affects of reflekdoll

The fact that we don't see the Magic Ladybugs going through them to fix them doesn't means it didn't happened. In Riposte we don't see the Miraculous Ladybug fixing Adrien's sprain even thought it did, for an instance. Have the Magical Ladybugs cover them to change nothing wouldn't give nothing to the episode on a story-perspective.

not really it's purification again

This ain't it.

i wouldn't call that inconsistency that's a layer thing working as usual

Orikko can't use another Kwami's power because a concept can only exist once in the universe, and that concept existing twice is an impossibility in-universe, as the concept would turn into replication and thus the power will fail. It is an internal inconsistency.

anyone i see them do that with tanjiro it's actually resistance to analytical prediction which is also a common resistance that given to charactershttps://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gun_Park#:~:text=%2C%20Resistance%20to%20Analytical%20Prediction%20(Completely%20outmatched%20Warren%2C%20Eli%2C%20and%20Max%20and%20Derek

Don't know him, haven't seen it before and it doesn't sounds as something that's actually common considering Naruto and the Sharingan exists in this wiki, and people clapping Sasuke don't get a Resistance. Using Naruto as an example because it's one of the most discussed verses in this wiki to this day.

why limited? i mean it's working method is just different i think it should counts as self-memory manip

Can only be done once in a life-time and can only cover a specific amount of time for which Marinette has no control over whatsoever.

yes it includes fear manip too but also perception manipulation literally similiar to lich's it was showing their true nightmares,

(the line between resistance to these abilities and supernatural willpower is too complicated to detect sigh) i'm fine with resistance or with SW

Resistance to FM works. Perception Manipulation is just bloating it, but I'm neutral about this.

So SR + Creation?

Sorta, yeah.

yes as i said via sublimation i'm adding them because they are notable feats that rooster bold has made it doesn't mean the holders are just limited to these abilities

Feats and PA are separate things.

Sublimation's gimmick is to create a Superpower, everything it does goes falls under that Umbrella. Listing every power it has ever granted It's like listing Monarch or Chrysalis' Akumatized powers via self-akumatization...

this isn't statistic amps, statistic amps doesn't grants you new abilities it just buffs your physical stats the page literally says this
This is also not to be confused with a change in form or state, and is thus not typically associated with any new abilities in particular.
It must fall under reactive evolution i agree that they must be open minded for that to be happen but i mean this is also a part of evolution it's just their working methods are a bit different than the usual one they don't need to be heavily injured to develop new powers however limited reactive evolution could work as mentioned they can only develop new powers under their concepts

"This is also not to be confused with a change in form or state, and is thus not typically associated with any new abilities in particular"

The Page doesn't says Statistics Amplifcations is unrelated to getting new powers, is the distinction between Stats Amps and Transformation; since the common thing on fiction is that transformations come with a Stat Amp and a power that X char doesn't has in base. Miraculous on itself is an example of that: All holders get their physicals upgraded but no Miraculous Holder has actually Stats Amps for it, because it's already understood that Transformation covers that. The same thing happens to powers.

Stats Amp come from they literally increasing the power their concept gives them.

hmm i actually tried to make it with his og size so what is the exact height taller than 90 meters?

Taller, which height exactly is unknown.

We don't know if Minotaurox used his power or not but it's implied that if he uses his power it would be get copied by strikeback which also means he bypasses his invulnurability.

Invulnerability is the power not to be harmed. The Ox Miraculous in that sense is sorta the inverse of conventional Invulnerability, as it is suceptible to regular harm as long as it doesn't comes from a Superpower; point is, Strikeback's ability to copy things would already apply to another conventional invulnerable character, but he wouldn't be able to harm them.

oh yeah my bad he was affected by voyage but uh given the statement that the others can stay with "possible rating" maybe?

Give him the Resistance he have shown, put a possible for the characters that are there. Nothing Ladybug says on the subject is definitive since she's just meeting Strikeback, so she doesn't has any way to know what he can or cannot take other than what she has just seen.

type 2?

Seemingly.

do we need a calc for that? i mean range

You can just eye balling by taking into account the Eiffel Tower gets dwarfed even though it's over 300 meters tall.

i didn't mention something like that ig?

Ranging from Large Size type 2 and 1 means that that's the range of size it can shift to.

 

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The fact that we don't see the Magic Ladybugs going through them to fix them doesn't means it didn't happened. In Riposte we don't see the Miraculous Ladybug fixing Adrien's sprain even thought it did, for an instance. Have the Magical Ladybugs cover them to change nothing wouldn't give nothing to the episode on a story-perspective.

they generally show the miraculous ladybug effect if cat noir or ladybug is affected in the episodes, i don't think they would skip that from the given screen time about them getting healed/restored, besides their faces and bodies were look exactly the human shape they have it still should be purification

Orikko can't use another Kwami's power because a concept can only exist once in the universe, and that concept existing twice is an impossibility in-universe, as the concept would turn into replication and thus the power will fail. It is an internal inconsistency.

i think the resistance to power mimicry needs to be changed to Power bestowal (kwami's concept powers can not be granted to others via akumatization, amokization and sublimation) with miraculous transformation is fine because it literally absorps the kwami and give their powers to holders so it's still 1 Creation

Don't know him, haven't seen it before and it doesn't sounds as something that's actually common considering Naruto and the Sharingan exists in this wiki, and people clapping Sasuke don't get a Resistance. Using Naruto as an example because it's one of the most discussed verses in this wiki to this day.

i mean i can give more profiles that with resistance to analytical prediction, they are mentionable in profiles

Can only be done once in a life-time and can only cover a specific amount of time for which Marinette has no control over whatsoever.

alr

Resistance to FM works. Perception Manipulation is just bloating it, but I'm neutral about this.

okay

Sorta, yeah.

i will add it then eh

Feats and PA are separate things.

Sublimation's gimmick is to create a Superpower, everything it does goes falls under that Umbrella. Listing every power it has ever granted It's like listing Monarch or Chrysalis' Akumatized powers via self-akumatization...

fun fact: i actually made a crt about it and it got approved, i mean mentioning the feats come from power bestowal is okayish rooster miraculous didn't get much screen time about choosing powers. It's okay to mention these a few abilities in profiles we must know what they are capable of

"This is also not to be confused with a change in form or state, and is thus not typically associated with any new abilities in particular"

The Page doesn't says Statistics Amplifcations is unrelated to getting new powers, is the distinction between Stats Amps and Transformation; since the common thing on fiction is that transformations come with a Stat Amp and a power that X char doesn't has in base. Miraculous on itself is an example of that: All holders get their physicals upgraded but no Miraculous Holder has actually Stats Amps for it, because it's already understood that Transformation covers that. The same thing happens to powers.

Stats Amp come from they literally increasing the power their concept gives them.

i'm not convinced about that ngl i still think it's reactive evolution, you might be right tho, i will make sure of that staffs check your comment.

Taller, which height exactly is unknown.

Then i will change it to taller than 90 Meters

Invulnerability is the power not to be harmed. The Ox Miraculous in that sense is sorta the inverse of conventional Invulnerability, as it is suceptible to regular harm as long as it doesn't comes from a Superpower; point is, Strikeback's ability to copy things would already apply to another conventional invulnerable character, but he wouldn't be able to harm them.

the point is Strike Back did harm Minitourax it's unknown that if he activated his power mid fight or not but the statement given by ladybug makes it so much suspectible that Ox power can be copied too, Power mimicry isn't harming ofc but also things like BFR also doesn't harm anyone however Minitourax blocked Panelteams BFR he is literally invulnurable to abilities that harms or not if neccecary i can change it to likely rating if it is okay with you too because we didn't see what exactly happend during fight

Give him the Resistance he have shown, put a possible for the characters that are there. Nothing Ladybug says on the subject is definitive since she's just meeting Strikeback, so she doesn't has any way to know what he can or cannot take other than what she has just seen.

Okay so resistance to clout, cataclysm, venom (shortoned ofc i will add abilities) and possibly resistance to all other powers except horse miraculous and peacock

Seemingly.

You can just eye balling by taking into account the Eiffel Tower gets dwarfed even though it's over 300 meters tall.


Ranging from Large Size type 2 and 1 means that that's the range of size it can shift to.

i mean i don't think i wrote a limitation like "he can only shrink his size to type 1" i only took it from marinette's profile and edited a bit

 

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[FinePoint]

@FentyBeauty seems to make sense to me here.

I don't have strong opinions on the Memory Manipulation.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

they generally show the miraculous ladybug effect if cat noir or ladybug is affected in the episodes

They do sometimes, they don't others. It's not evidence of nothing in this discussion.

besides their faces and bodies were look exactly the human shape

Reflekta is a human...

Miraculouses change your body type, they don't just give you a costume. Adrien as Misterbug has tonned abdominals, Alya becomes slimmer as Rena Rouge, Gabriel becomes taller and then there's Miraclonizer losing four mechanical arms to grow functional wings.

mean i can give more profiles that with resistance to analytical prediction, they are mentionable in profiles

It's nonsense.

fun fact: i actually made a crt about it and it got approved, i mean mentioning the feats come from power bestowal is okayish rooster miraculous didn't get much screen time about choosing powers. It's okay to mention these a few abilities in profiles we must know what they are capable of

That's nonsense too.

the point is Strike Back did harm Minitourax it's unknown that if he activated his power mid fight or not but the statement given by ladybug makes it so much suspectible that Ox power can be copied too, Power mimicry isn't harming ofc but also things like BFR also doesn't harm anyone however Minitourax blocked Panelteams BFR he is literally invulnurable to abilities that harms or not if neccecary i can change it to likely rating if it is okay with you too because we didn't see what exactly happend during fight

Strikeback cannot be byapassing Invulnerability by harming Minotaurox because Minotaurox is vulnerable to a punch as much as any other Miraculer. The concept on itself of Strikeback copying powers doesn't affects Minotaurox, either.

In regards of Ladybug's statement, I have already given my stance.

i mean i don't think i wrote a limitation like "he can only shrink his size to type 1"

That's what the range means.

 

[Lort15]

@FentyBeauty seems to make sense to me here.

I don't have strong opinions on the Memory Manipulation.

I'll go first with the abilities in the post, then on the profiles.


No purication here. They are just transforming after being turned into a Reflekta, and since the appearance of the holder is based on their personality, they are transforming in what they'd be. They are still a Reflekta under the transformation.

This is part of the Miraculouses' Perception Manipulation messing with Safari's powers. Since Safari's power can't detect that Ladybug and Marinette are the same person, the effect is lost.

De-Transformation (or transformation if even posible) on itself doesn't removes the effects of Venom.

Pseudo-Resistance to Power Nullification.


I believe it'd come across as disingenuous to have the Butterfly and Peacock upscaling to the Rooster becuase of an explanation that should also apply to both of them. It's an internal inconsistency, so count me as neutral at best here.

This is Summoning.

Agree.

This is Ladybug being unpredictable, it's a skill feat, not a resistance. I'll touch more on this when I get through the profiles - Also Resistance to Non-Analytical Prediction Precognition is Acausality, which Ladybug clearly isn't.

Agree. But it's Limited Memory Manipulation.



It's explicitly Fear Manipulation. And it's a Resistance to that instead of (or through) Supernatural Willpower.

Agree. Wiki broke the Link for the shockwave tho.

It's Creation through Subjective Reality. Goat does the same as the Butterfly and Peacock on doing what in wants, hence why Safari was able to replicate the powers of several Miraculouses through it.

The meteor was created at the edge of space. Ergo, the Karman Line; that's 100 Kilometers, so the Range would be Hundreds of Kilometers.

No because this is the Result of Self-Power Bestowal. Sublimation gives you the power of your choice, so it's either redundant or restrictive.

Limited Statistics Amplification as every holder can just break through any limit their concept allows, as only they give them their limits.

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isn't lost on me.

Could you check Monkey_Dunno's replies and mines if you are available, i think they are worthy to check he knows a lot about Miraculous
edit: i've also made a few changes on the crt before you arrive, could you check them too?

 

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They do sometimes, they don't others. It's not evidence of nothing in this discussion.

I don't remember them not showing the mlb effect when lb and cn are affected from akumatized villains, besides they showed them pounding and yet mlb wasn't went through them my stance is the same about that otherwise it would be really a long discussion over repeating things, i respect your opinions don't get me wrong

Reflekta is a human...

I've meant their faces bodies, their faces and bodies are again Marinette and Adrien

It's nonsense.

That's nonsense too.

Ok

Strikeback cannot be byapassing Invulnerability by harming Minotaurox because Minotaurox is vulnerable to a punch as much as any other Miraculer. The concept on itself of Strikeback copying powers doesn't affects Minotaurox, either.

In regards of Ladybug's statement, I have already given my stance.

As i have said in my previous reply Minotaurox is invulnurable conventional harm but only when the opponent is taking their physical stats from an akuma or amok as i have shown with the scans and he should be invulnurable to Strike Back's power mimicry but yet he isn't it's the part that we don't know if he used his power but he was defeated that's what we see with the feats happend it should get a likely rating for it

That's what the range means.

You can edit it gng fix the wording for me ‍

Besides that let's staff decide the rest i think we both gave enough arguments i will also tell other staffs to check your comments have a good day