Minor Photino Birds proposal

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The speed should be "Nigh-Omnipresent, would eventually become totally Omnipresent"

Since they exist wherever dark matter does across space-time and would eventually make everything dark matter and thus part of itself

 

[The_Causality]

It would be better if we have the quote.

 

[Elizhaa]

The speed should be "Nigh-Omnipresent, would eventually become totally Omnipresent"

Since they exist wherever dark matter does across space-time and would eventually make everything dark matter and thus part of itself

Yeah, your points need a quote or evidences because the OP sounds like Headcanon which I would reject, Zach

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Quote #1

Dark matter: a shadow Universe which permeates, barely touching, the visible worlds we inhabit… And yet that image was misleading, for the dark matter is no shadow; it comprises fully nine-tenths of the Universe's total mass. The glowing, baryonic matter which makes up stars, planets, humans, is a mere glittering froth on the surface of that dark ocean.

Quote #2

For the first time, Lieserl understood the photino birds.

''She thought of novae, and supernovae.

As the newly shining stars had settled into their multi-billion-year Main Sequence lifetimes, the Universe must have seemed a fine place to the photino birds. The stars had appeared stable: eternal, neat little nests of compact gravity wells and fusion energy.

Then had come the first instabilities.

Red giant expansions and novae must have been bad enough. But even a nova was a limited explosion, which could leave a star still intact: survivable, by the infesting birds. A supernova explosion, however, could destroy a star in seconds, leaving behind nothing more than a shriveled, fast-spinning neutron star.

Lieserl tried to see these events from the point of view of the photino birds. The instabilities, the great explosions, must have devastated whole core-flocks. Perhaps, she speculated now, the birds had even evolved a civilization in the past; she imagined huge, spinning cities of dark matter at the heart of stars cities ripped apart by the first star-deaths.

If she were a photino bird, she wouldn't tolerate this.

The birds didn't need spectacular, blazing stars. They certainly didn't need instability, novae and supernovae, the disruption of dying stars. All they demanded from a star was a stable gravity well, and a trickle-source of proton photino interaction energy.

She thought of Sol.

When the birds were finished with the Sun—after the superwind had blown through the wrecked System—a white dwarf would remain: a small, cooling lump of degenerate matter smaller than the Earth. The Sun's story would be over. It could expect no change, except a slow decline; there would certainly be no cataclysmic events in Sol's future…

But the dwarf would retain over half the Sun's original mass. And there would be plenty of dense matter to interact with, and energy from the slow contraction of the star.

The Sun would have become an ideal habitat for photino birds.

Lieserl saw it all now, with terrifying clarity.

The photino birds were not prepared to accept a Universe full of young, hot, dangerous stars, likely to explode at any moment. So they had decided to get it over with—to manage the aging of the stars as rapidly as possible.

And when the birds' great task was done, the Universe would be filled with dull, unchanging white dwarfs. The only motion would come from the shadowy streams of photino birds sailing between their neutered star-nests.

It was a majestic vision: an engineering project on the grandest possible of scales—a project which could never be equalled.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The speed should be "Nigh-Omnipresent, would eventually become totally Omnipresent"

Since they exist wherever dark matter does across space-time and would eventually make everything dark matter and thus part of itself

Yeah, your points need a quote or evidences because the OP sounds like Headcanon which I would reject, Zach

Here's proof that 100% of Dark Matter = Photino Bird

The proto-Xeelee were, meanwhile, aware of another species of matter born out of this turbulent broth. This would one day be called dark matter by human scientists, for it would bond with other types of matter only loosely, through gravity and the weakest nuclear force. There was a whole hierarchy of particles of this stuff, even a sort of chemistry. This faint stuff passed through the quark- cluster cities and the nests of the proto-Xeelee alike as if they didn't exist. But it was there — and, like the Xeelee, this dark matter was going to be around for good.

 

[Elizhaa]

ZacharyGrossman273, I think the evidence is better and I can agree with the proposal. Also, I will be honest I will always reject points that sound like headcanons or have no evidence, I won't repeat it.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Actually, this looks like Full Omnipresence is a no, but definitely Nigh-Omnipresence

 

[The_Causality]

Well well, in theory it should be indeed Nigh-Omnipresence but some things are weird:

• You talk about Omnip^resence and post quotes, that fine but the quote involve that Photino Birds is a civilisation, not a single entity, if this is that i don't think it's Omnipresence since it isn't one entity but a large numbers which is the quantity of Dark matter
• The other problem is, yes if it's a single entity, so it should be Nigh-Omni only in the scale the scan involve (Only an Universe) so if you want that Photino bird(s) are Omni on the scale of his level, then you need to prove that Dark matter also exist in the other Higher plane

It sound rude but for an Omnipresence in a 1-B scale, it's the minimal requierment.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

It's technically a species, ye, but they're a hive mind, so it works better as a character profile.


Also something like "Nigh-Omnipresent in colonized universes" is fine

 

[The_Causality]

It's technically a species, ye, but they're a hive mind, so it works better as a character profile.

???

Well, for the actual profile, he is not gonna work like this but it should be work (I guess..?) for a Civilisation profile.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I mean it's more like, Grey Goo

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

ZacharyGrossman273, I think the evidence is better and I can agree with the proposal. Also, I will be honest I will always reject points that sound like headcanons or have no evidence, I won't repeat it.

Good, we just need more staff input

 

[Promestein]

Seems fine so long as you specify that it's in colonized universes.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Seems fine so long as you specify that it's in colonized universes.

Okay thanks

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

How's this sound?

Speed: Immeasurable (Comparable to the Xeelee, who can arrive at destinations before they leave. Capable of moving through configuration space freely) Nigh-Omnipresent in colonized universes (The Photino Birds colonize and terraform universes so that they make up the majority of them and have already transformed a large section of the multiverse. Eventually nothing would be left sans the Photino Birds and White Dwarves)

 

[Antvasima]

Wait a minute. If the Photino Birds are nigh omnipresent, why does one of your quotes state that they would have to fly between their star nests on an individual level. It doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

They encompass all of dark matter, and thus most of the universe. It's... weird.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, but is that because there are so many of them? If they were omnipresent, they wouldn't need to move anywhere.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

YEs


That being said, the true form/hive mind of the Photino Birds is the Type 1 abstract of the Type 2 concept of Dark Matter

 

[Elizhaa]

Okay, but is that because there are so many of them? If they were omnipresent, they wouldn't need to move anywhere.

I think that why Nigh-Omnipresent is added

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

(Especially due to how Type 2 concepts work)

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

All Dark Matter is fully controlled by the being who embodies the platonic form of "dark matter" in configuration space and all dark matter we see is a "reflection" of it

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, but it still seems very inappropriate to rate the individual birds as all being nigh omnipresent.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Maybe something like "Nigh-Omnipresent as a concept"?

 

[Antvasima]

Only the main conceptual entity that the birds are all reflections of.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Ye, that's what I meant

 

[Antvasima]

Well, that should probably be fine.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Okay. Can you unlock it please?

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Wait


Should this apply to Transcendence as well?

From Alia's hints it certainly sounds as if the Transcendence will have many of the attributes we traditionally ascribe to our gods. But it is arising from humanity; it has embarked on a journey whose final end, perhaps, isn't clear even to it. And so it is an evolving god. "She talked of a nineteenth-century German philosopher called Schelling, who had been responsible for the introduction into philosophy of "evolutionary metaphysics." What if God can grow, can change? And if so, what must He change into?John said, "I thought God is eternal, and hence unchanging, as measured by our petty notions of time. How can an eternal God evolve from anything into anything else?" But old Schelling, it seemed, had had an answer to that. His God was the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega, but the Omega state was in some sense contained within the Alpha. The only difference was in the expression of that potential. Rosa spoke of the unevolved God as deus implicitus, and His final state as deus explicitus; the two states were different expressions of the same identity. "Schelling imagined that the universe evolves along with its god. In its final state the cosmos will be fully realized, every potential fulfilled — and it will be at one with its god. It is as if God realizes His own true potential through the vast self-expression of the universe. Perhaps these ideas foreshadow the entelechy of the Transcendence Alia described to Michael…"

 

[Elizhaa]

I see evidences of Reactive Evolution but not Nigh-Omniscience

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

"and it will be at one with its god."

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Reactive evolution is fine too tho

 

[Antvasima]

Reactive evolution is fine, yes.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

It's also apparently implied to be the abrahamic god

 

[Elizhaa]

It's also apparently implied to be the abrahamic god

Its god looks feat-less nevertheless. If its God scaled to Photino Birds or have its own NIgh-Omnipresence, provided with evidence, then I see evidence of Nigh-Omnipresence for The Transcendence (Xeelee Sequence).

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I know there aren't any real extra feats for "god", I think it should just be specified on the summary that it's supposed to be the represenation of the abrahamic god


Also I provided a quote about "god" (The transcendence) becoming on with "the cosmos" (Multiverse) so ye

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Also "God" is literally the same thing AS the transcendence, they aren't different and never were in the verse

 

[Elizhaa]

Also "God" is literally the same thing AS the transcendence, they aren't different and never were in the verse

Do you have quotes or evidences that support this statement, ZacharyGrossman273?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...scendence.27s_Similarities_with_Christian_God