Minor Intelligence Adjustment

[Mr. Bambu]

Summary

Minor thing, Ant talked to me awhile ago and feels that, in the name of taking a conservative approach, we should downgrade creatures with Intelligence 21-39 (i.e., sub-Gond creatures) should have their "possibly Supergenius" ratings removed, as they have only a single feat on this level (that we know of, the Mind Flayer's Overmind technology that was merging multiverses). I really have no strong feelings either way in this, since it's not exactly wrong to say they are lacking, at this level, in Supergenius feats.

Anyone naysayers may make an argument below, any yaysayers may quietly post "I agree" or some variation on the term. Cheers.

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Yay:

Nay:

Michael Bay:

 

[Xulrev]

I'm against such a downgrade.

Mind flayers with their explicit level of intellect were capable of performing a feat that qualifies for super genius, and in the D&D verse numbers ascribed to such things as intelligence are an objective qualifier.

If someone of X score in Y stat foes feat Z, anyone with X score in Y stat can reasonably perform Z

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm for it personally. The mind flayers that did the feat required a large collective of Elder Brains and a Mind Flayer demigod's pooled intelligence to make. It's hard to argue for anyone not equal to or above Gond to scale imo.

 

[Xulrev]

I'm for it personally. The mind flayers that did the feat required a large collective of Elder Brains and a Mind Flayer demigod's pooled intelligence to make. It's hard to argue for anyone not equal to or above Gond to scale imo.

What was the demigods int score? And if the regular mind flayers' intellect were unimportant, their contribution wouldn't have mattered yet it did

 

[Qawsedf234]

I wanna say it was the same as an Elder Brain's score in the moduel.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Agreed. It takes 40 or above to produce progress level 9 tech.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Agreed. It takes 40 or above to produce progress level 9 tech.

Sorta unrelated but aight.

 

[Antvasima]

If level 21 is supposed to barely be above the human maximum, I think that we should consider merging multiverses as an outlier, and rate D&D characters as Extraordinary Genius from intelligence level 20 to 39 or so.

Characters should consistently be able to warp reality almost any way they want via their inventions to qualify as Supergeniuses, and I think that we have been extremely strict regarding handing out such statistics for all other fictions in this wiki. A single feat does not show enough consistency and versatility in my opinion, and it is not good if we initiate inflation for such an extreme statistic in this wiki overall.

Above level 39 intelligence should probably be fine to rate as Supergenius though.

 

[Antvasima]

I'm for it personally. The mind flayers that did the feat required a large collective of Elder Brains and a Mind Flayer demigod's pooled intelligence to make. It's hard to argue for anyone not equal to or above Gond to scale imo.

Thank you for the information. That seems to settle the issue then.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well, level 18 in any stat is considered a human's natural physical limit. With anything higher than a 18 being in the superhuman category (as a note this is relative. Elves can naturally be above 18 in intelligence and Orcs naturally top off at around 14-16).

The bigger issue scaling wise to me is the large collective of Extraordinary Geniuses that it took to make the 2-A machine. So while I perfectly get Gond scaling since he automatically k nows and understands all technology and everyone above him scaling, the 26-39 people just fall in these weird vague range imo.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, it should take Rick Sanchez, Brainiac, or Doctor Doom levels of consistently displayed extremely versatile intellect to even be considered for a Supergenius rating. We have to be careful to not hand it out far too easily.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So I guess its 3:1 for the change?

 

[Antvasima]

It seems so, yes. Is somebody willing to apply it to all relevant profiles?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah I can do it.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you very much for helping out. Feel free to do so.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Already done so

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. As long as you are certain that you checked through all of them, we can probably close this.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I missed Tiamat, but now that she's changed I think that's everyone who doesn't actually scale to Gond.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks again. I will close this then.