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steam can't just do it, by the way, this scan looks decidedly solid.Here is the other scan
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steam can't just do it, by the way, this scan looks decidedly solid.Here is the other scan
Here is the other scan
Smoke from Grimmjow’s hand isn’t inherent sign of vaporization as it is just like smoke from a gun.
Bumping this post for relevancy. If we could not keep dropping scans of Ceros not vaporizing saying that they are vaporizing that'd be great.I'm going to post a summary of why I do not believe the GRC feat is vague, partially as a TLDR, partially so you can have as food for thought whilst you reread parts of the Arrancar Arc @Damage3245
Gran Rey Cero Vaporizing Las Noches
Can all the Espada Vaporize Las Noches?
- Even a Gran Rey Cero from the weakest Espada can destroy Las Noches. After establishing GRC can destroy LN, we have to see if there exists any evidence to quantify and distinguish the type and potency of the destruction.
- Res Ulq can vaporize a massive portion of LN by just grazing it, Unmasked states that Cero Oscuras can destroy LN, and Masked informs us that GRC is the most powerful Cero. Evaluating this context we are informed of the following: Gran Rey Cero is beyond a 10x amp to someone's regular Cero AP, for Res Ulq GRC is more potent than an attack that can not only destroy LN, but vaporize a massive portion of LN just by grazing it. So, for Res Ulq his GRC > his CO = can destroy LN and vaporized a large portion of LN. Not only is there a strong case that Res Ulq could vaporize all of LN with CO if he aimed it at LN, his GRC would be even stronger, we have an attack that is stronger than an attack that can already destroy LN and displayed power to vaporize. I think a good analogy to go along with this argument is: say a character vaporizes a sizeable chunk of the Earth and turns Earth into a "crescent moon", then said character is stated to be able to destroy Earth with that same attack, and then said character possesses an even stronger attack that is also stated capable of destroying Earth, it would be pretty obvious that said character can completely destroy Earth, they have a really good supporting feat and multiple supporting statements. Same case with Ulquiorra, in Res he has a supporting feat and two supporting statements for vaporizing LN with GRC.
My Proposal
- Short answer no, this assumption that if Res Ulq can vaporize LN with GRC then everyone can is unfounded. The Espada are ranked directly by their spiritual power, so why would each Espada have same strength GRCs if each lower numbered Espada has more spiritual power than the previous? The answer is they wouldn't, and this is directly provable through the fights within the arc. Post-Visored Training Hollowfied Bankai Ichigo is able to block base Grimmjow's GRC, base Ulquiorra no-sold Post-Visored Training Hollowfied Bankai Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshou, giving us the following scaling chain: base Grimmjow's GRC ~< Post-Visored Training Hollowfied Bankai Ichigo < base Ulquiorra < base Ulquiorra's GRC (over 10x stronger than base Ulq's physicals), or base Grimm's GRC <<< base Ulq's GRC by way over 10x. Thus, we cannot apply Res Ulq's GRC power to anyone weaker than Res Ulq.
What's Currently Accepted?
- With Res Ulq and any Espada stronger than Res Ulq, I believe we should use the vaporization of LN part of my calc for their GRCs (6-A).
- For any Espada weaker than Res Ulq I think using pulverization of LN is fine (we see Ceros turn things to dust all the time) or doing a combination of GRCs being "at least 10x" regular Ceros with a non-vaporization end of my calc.
- Seeing how it's less clear cut for the weaker than Res Ulq characters, opposed to the obvious implications with Res Ulq, I think a solid rating could look like this:
- Weaker than Res Ulq characters: "at least [10x Base AP], likely [Pulverization End] with Gran Rey Cero"
- Stronger or on par with Res Ulq characters "[Vaporization End] with Gran Rey Cero"
- Currently pulverization for everyone with GRC is what is accepted. So why are we still discussing which ends to use? People still want to discuss and this thread isn't over, so no harm in continuing discussion in an effort to get the best, most accurate rating for GRC.
Pretty sure FH Ichigo's regular Cero is accepted to vaporize as wellLmao for n-th time the only instance of a Cero undeniably showing signs of vaporization is when Res Ulq vaporizes Las Noches.
Yes lol but no one is coming out here like "FH Ichigo can't vape with his ceros", I'm @ing the people saying "Grimmjow's Cero vapes" etc etc.Pretty sure FH Ichigo's regular Cero is accepted to vaporize as well
And yeah, it's pretty undeniable.
dude that's a cero that's stronger than CO, ofc its going to vap.Pretty sure FH Ichigo's regular Cero is accepted to vaporize as well
And yeah, it's pretty undeniable.
I know damage is rereading the Arrancar Arc so ima give till Friday my time (that’s a week), and if this thread is dead by then I’ll just go through with pulv and if GRC wants to be talked about again another thread can be made at that point.
Ideally, the current accepted end is pulv (country) for everyone, but higher tiers get higher up with multipliers. You can peep around the end of page two iirc to see what the ratings would look like more or less.So country lvl for the lower tier espada and continent lvl for 4 and up with grc?
This is going to effect Byakuya and Kenpachi as well I assume considering they beat the strongest Espada should both be 6-AIdeally, the current accepted end is pulv (country) for everyone, but higher tiers get higher up with multipliers. You can peep around the end of page two iirc to see what the ratings would look like more or less.
Just want to note that beating Yammy does not mean scaling to his Gran Rey Cero.This is going to effect Byakuya and Kenpachi as well I assume considering they beat the strongest Espada should both be 6-A
Shouldn't it? Or do espada just not scale to their Grc?Just want to note that beating Yammy does not mean scaling to his Gran Rey Cero.
EDIT: Going through the majority of the arc once more hasn't shed a lot of light on helping with this topic, but I have found some other Arrancar arc revisions to be proposed separately to this.
For now, my proposal would be just use the "At least [10x regular Cero], likely [Pulverization calc]" for the Gran Rey Cero.
Just because characters fight off-screen doesn't mean you assume they used their most powerful attacks. And yeah, the Espada's durability don't scale to their Gran Rey Cero.Shouldn't it? Or do espada just not scale to their Grc?
I just remember Yammy firing a cero at them but it could've been an anime only thingJust because characters fight off-screen doesn't mean you assume they used their most powerful attacks. And yeah, the Espada's durability don't scale to their Gran Rey Cero.
Why Yammy dura> apYammy's dura > his normal AP.
Also I dunno if it was established if it was happening in this thread or another but what happened to the SE Ulq > Rez CO discussion? I remember us talking about it before we somehow transitioned to the vape discussion again.
^^^Just want to note that beating Yammy does not mean scaling to his Gran Rey Cero.
^^^Just because characters fight off-screen doesn't mean you assume they used their most powerful attacks. And yeah, the Espada's durability don't scale to their Gran Rey Cero.
For all Espada or the weaker than Res Ulq Espada?For now, my proposal would be just use the "At least [10x regular Cero], likely [Pulverization calc]" for the Gran Rey Cero.
Yammy is stated to have the second hardest hierro in the databooks so this makes sense.Yammy's dura > his normal AP.
For all Espada or the weaker than Res Ulq Espada?
I'm willing to go with your suggestion for weaker than Res Ulq Espada if we go vap for Res Ulq and stronger Espada. If not I'm just going to proceed with the majority accepted pulverization end for all.For all Espada.
I'm willing to go with your suggestion for weaker than Res Ulq Espada if we go vap for Res Ulq and stronger Espada. If not I'm just going to proceed with the majority accepted pulverization end for all.
So you're more fine with the scaling if it's "At least 10x, likely pulv"? If that's the case I think that's fine. It'll introduce a lot of likely's once we hit Ulq. Which I'm fine with.So why not "At least 10x normal Cero, likely Pulverization calc" for the Espada weaker than Res Ulq, and the scaling + multipliers result for the other Espada like you have in your current write-up?
Ok sounds good. Just to recap.If Ulquiorra is already scaling above it, then his justification wouldn't need to be changed to "likely pulv".
Lanza del Relampago (Heavily implied to be his strongest technique, as it is difficult for him to handle, unlike his amplified Ceros which he fires with seemingly no difficulty)
Large Country level (Stated multiple times in the Manga, Novel and Databook that he is above Ulquiorra, Nnoitra and Grimmjow.), Continent level+ with Cero Oscuras (As a higher-ranking Espada than Ulquiorra, his Cero Oscuras should be at least be this strong), Continent level with Gran Rey Cero (As the strongest Espada, his strongest attack would be the strongest among the Espada)
No pretty sure its implied that its just so strong thats why he has trouble with it.Just want to interject that couldn't this be because unlike the Cero (which he just points his finger at and shoots in a wide beam), the Lanza is a spear that he has to throw and therefore requires some accuracy / throwing skill to handle?
Would explain why he missed better than the Lanza just being powerful.
You've got Yammy's Gran Rey Cero below his Cero Oscuras.