Mind manipulators and resistance

[The_real_cal_howard]

Can someone find me a single instance in fiction where an on-guard mind manipulator (who's mind powers come from their mind and not magic or some other method) gets manipulated by someone of equal or lesser potency without a mental struggle ensuing? Because in hindsight, I don't recall this happening like, ever. In anything.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I agree with cal

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

You likely should make a more detailed thread if you want to make a big change.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Detail is needed if you have a lot to say. I don't.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Like maybe state what you want to change, etc...

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I want clarification before I ask for change.

 

[Lightbuster30]

What exactly is being changed here?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I can't help but imagine you planning a movement about Mind hax resistance. ovo

 

[DMUA]

Basically that people who use Mindhax like never just get mindhaxed if they have their guard up

To which I say, show me the feats of him being able to wage a mental war instead of literally just mindhaxing and we can talk.

That said, there's a lot of instances to talk about.

 

[Lightbuster30]

So people with mindhax should have resistance to it if their guard is up basically?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Basically that people who use Mindhax like never just get mindhaxed if they have their guard up

To which I say, show me the feats of him being able to wage a mental war instead of literally just mindhaxing and we can talk.

That said, there's a lot of instances to talk about.

That's what I asked for. Not the rest.

 

[DMUA]

I mean

Everyone who has feats of mental battle

Have resistance

If they don't, they should be added

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

What I'm getting at is providing me any mental manipulator who's powers come from the mind getting mind manipulated without being in a mental struggle.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

What he's getting at is that every mind user should have resistance to mind manipulation up to their level.

 

[DMUA]

Proof of Burden I think that's called.

Unless you're just wondering and not seeking general revision by which case then

Idunno really

 

[DontTalkDT]

I know only of theoretical examples. In Inheritance resistance to mind attacks and the ability to do mind attacks is completely separate. Eragon could enter other beings mind before being taught how to defend against someone else doing that to him.

The Fanghur also seemed to have basically no resistance to mind attacks (not suprising given that the mind defense practices of the verse require concentration an animal would lack), while their mind attacks were at least enough to make Eragon set up shields.

What he's getting at is that every mind user should have resistance to mind manipulation up to their level.

Argument from Ignorance fallacy much.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I know only of theoretical examples. In Inheritance resistance to mind attacks and the ability to do mind attacks is completely separate. Eragon could enter other beings mind before being taught how to defend against someone else doing that to him.

It is true the abilities are separate, but I want to point out that mental strength is important for both of those.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Is this another Mewtwo support thread?

 

[Wokistan]

Destiny's Vex just got completely overrun when Oryx sent one taken. You can also Artifact of Perun the weak ones without a hitch.

 

[Wokistan]

To be fair, the taken can mess with and infect far more than the mind, and Vex mindhax is a bit different in execution, but it's still an example.

 

[Wokistan]

There's also how the Culexus Assassin gave Ahzek Ahriman siwzures and spasms despite ahriman being in a different solar system and happening to get really unlucky with where he projected himself. Ahriman's own mental potency is immense and still got ****** over by the blank because it's a blank.

 

[Wokistan]

In bloodborne, the Hunter can inflict Frenzy. While he does have a resistance, it's to the point and it's not like a mental struggle thing. The brain of Mensis will drive you insane in seconds, having the Bloodletter doesn't change that.

 

[Wokistan]

In Magic: The Gathering, Jace would have succeeded in prying into Liliana's mind were it not for the Raven Man (due to the status of which it is unclear if this is resistance for Liliana or for the Chain Veil), despite Liliana being able to mess around with the mind herself.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Just going to say that if a Mind is strong enough to hax other minds at an X level, the user's own mind shouldnt be any weaker than what they can mind hax. It's like saying I can unleash planet level energy, but I can't take on that much energy.

 

[Wokistan]

Well here we have some examples of unbalanced potencies. Also there's characters like Jace skewed in the other rdirection, with massive resistances that don't match their potencies. Mental glass cannons can exist.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Just going to say that if a Mind is strong enough to hax other minds at an X level, the user's own mind shouldnt be any weaker than what they can mind hax. It's like saying I can unleash planet level energy, but I can't take on that much energy.

What you say?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yeah but that's something that doesnt work both ways. Lets see if I can say this better....

Just because you can withstand something you release doesn't mean you can release what you can withstand. If that makes any sense?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yeah but that's something that doesnt work both ways. Lets see if I can say this better....

Just because you can withstand something you release doesn't mean you can release what you can withstand. If that makes any sense?

Boi

I was joking

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Just going to say that if a Mind is strong enough to hax other minds at an X level, the user's own mind shouldnt be any weaker than what they can mind hax. It's like saying I can unleash planet level energy, but I can't take on that much energy.

What you say?

The way I saw it, his 2-A rating is from a hax ability, its not an AP/Power based move. If it was, he would be 2-A normally.

 

[Wokistan]

See the Vex example. While they can drive even a Guardian insane, that didn't save them from being Taken.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yeah but that's something that doesnt work both ways. Lets see if I can say this better....

Just because you can withstand something you release doesn't mean you can release what you can withstand. If that makes any sense?

Boi
I was joking

This was directed at Wokistan, not you.

 

[Wokistan]

Culexus assassin's are weird, but against a non daemon, non psyker, they'd be hopelessly outmatched mindhax wise compared to Ahzek. Too had Ahzek's an alpha level psyker.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

You still responded to me tho...