Minato's AP should be upgraded

[Damage3245]

So can this be closed already? The premise of the thread has been rejected by virtually everyone and seems to have derailed into other topics.

There seems to be a big enough consensus to reject this, so alright.

 

[KingTempest]

Sorry to reopen, I was asked to reopen the thread because a goof someone requested it.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

not chip damage. If he couldn't regenerate that would slow anyone down quite a bit. You saw the size of those marks and burns didn't you?

If he was alive, he'd be dead because that's how the FRS works. It negates durability, but that doesn't change the fact that its raw AP was not capable of putting him down or doing major damage to his body. And for the nth time, this is KCM! It has absolutely nothing to do with Sage Mode, so let's just drop this point, please. It adds nothing to this debate.

Doing mild damage to Kurama,

You mean pushing him back and doing absolutely no damage besides fluffing his fur? Lol
Also, in his head where he's not limited by any physical limitations such as stamina or Sage Mode's time limit, allowing him to spam dura negging attacks like the FRS to his heart's content.

being able to push the fourth Raikage's arm,

Changing the trajectory of someone's joint from that angle is not an AP feat. You can do similar things to much stronger people, it's just how leverage works.

destroy the deep forest emergence (admittedly with chakra from Kurama, but that didn't give him red chakra or anything, it just looked like a stamina restoration,

He didn't gain a cloak because he put all of the chakra Kurama gave him into that attack. Also, deep forest emergence is not 6-C anyway, so that feat is irrelevant. All it means is that a Kurama amped Naruto is High 7-A.

his rasenshuriken made Madara say it had too much energy, when he lated absorbed stuff like particle style with no such comments,

Particle Style is a durability negating matter hax, I really don't see your point.
Also, Madara's comment is meaningless since he later withstood a much bigger Rasenshuriken anyway.

could do damage to Juubito even if it was offguard Juubito,

Because Senjutsu is his natural weakness, and doesn't mean Naruto scales. Even Sage Madara and Sage Minato thought they could harm Juubi Jinchūriki with their Jutsu, it's meaningless for scaling due to the nature of Senjutsu against Juubi Jins.

and just the fact that Naruto had time to train obviously means he got stronger.

This is pure conjecture, with no solid backing.

Well there's a reason his hundreds of clones never did anything other than to fodder Mizuki.

Mizuki was not fodder to BoS Naruto. He was a Chuunin level opponent, so Naruto beating him with clones actually helps my case.

Kimimaro mopped KM1 clones neg diff, Neji mopped dozens of clones neg diff, Sasuke mopped like 10 neg diff, etc.

That's because all of these characters were far stronger than Naruto at the time.

In part 2 shadow clones were portrayed as stronger, especially when only using a few like against Madara, and Kaguya easily dealt with the clones anyways.

Madara's Limbos were perfectly matched by Naruto's clones.
As for Kaguya, she one shot the clones with Gentle Fist and All Killing Ash Bones, both of which negate durability. Not to mention the fact that she was stronger than Naruto, yet his clones could somewhat contend with her when even Sasuke's perfect Susano'o was one-shotted by her. If his clones were hundreds of times weaker, or even meaningfully weaker in any way, this wouldn't have been possible.

The fact that the 2 perfect jinchuriki were the strongest by a fair margin in Bee's case and a large margin in Kurama's case implies it is still a boost.

No, that just means Kurama and Bee are the two strongest Bijū, which they are.

At least you agree it's plausible now. Also it's not unquantifiably weaker. From 100% Kurama a similar sized TBB could destroy Hashirama's wood dragon and he needed a wood golem to catch it. So 50% Kurama's TBB should be about half as strong as that. And so since that was a partial transformation and Minato cut through a partial transformation, if the dream battle is valid, that proves Minato does indeed have Bijuu level AP.

So Minato = Hashirama's Wood Golem? Gotcha.

The same Minato who couldn't even finish off 14 y/o Obito with a point blank Rasengan, btw.

 

[KingTempest]

He said his point. Locking thread