And why, exactly, is that the case?
There's no reason for them to be as strong either. Plus, his partial transformation tentacles are much smaller than the full Bijū Mode tentacles, so the logical assumption would be that it's weaker.
Gyuki's durability is island level to small country level, so it would make sense for Minato's AP to be at that level. Or "At least Mountain level+ (Fought and matched the Fourth Raikage and was considered his rival. It was stated that Minato would be the only one able to defeat Orochimaru), possibly Island level to small country level (could cut Gyuki's tentacle), higher with Sage Mode"
It's in the form that it's in in full tailed beast mode. If it was weaker it would be V2 or something. Since Bee was already a perfect jin at the time there's no reason for him to manifest a version of his tail weaker than the full thing.
already replied to that
Because the tail's durability comes from Gyuki, not Bee.
Minato could teleport out of the way before Bee got him, and besides Minato didn't want to kill Bee.
There is since it's in the form of the full tailed beast. Also are they smaller? That tentacle is pretty big.
It doesn't change the fact that Minato could pierce Bee's skull with a kunai, and Bee could impale Minato's stomach with a sword. They both could harm each other.
It appears to be bigger, but not much bigger. If anything, it's probably due to Kishimoto's inconsistent portrayal of Bijuus' size.
Well yeah if Bee actually struck Minato he could do good damage. This isn't a durability upgrade, it's an AP one. And no it wasn't said in the manga, but Minato's relativistic reactions vs Bee even 10+ years later only having sub relativistic reactions probably means Bee couldn't.
Y’know, during the War Arc, the partially transformed jinchūriki were only able to match KCM Naruto while the full Bijuu were more powerful than him, showing that full Bijuu > partial transformation.
If his AP gets upgraded, then his durability has to be as well. That’s how it works.
I don't know about that, Gyūki seems to be consistently massive across nearly 200+ chapters. His tentacles are never portrayed as comparable in size to human sized characters.
V2 is not the same as partial transformation.
But the tentacle wasn't comparable in size to Minato either. From what we saw, it was multiple times as thick as Minato and Bee
Yes, a chidori spear (keep in mind shape transformation on top of chakra nature is considered stronger than one or the other alone), which is specifically a great technique for piercing power
Several of the tails at the end appeared to be pretty fully formed.
The distance between them as well
I didn’t say V2.
Your durability scales to your physical AP. If it didn’t, you’d tear your own body apart by trying to attack. This is noted on the Durability page.
The claw literally pierced through both of them, they do not scale to that in any way, shape or form. Hell, that claw LITERALLY KILLED THEM.
Incorrect, it is stated numerous times throughout the arc that Naruto is capable of surpassing Minato, and at the end of the arc, Kakashi blatantly says that Naruto wielded jutsu beyond Minato.
Based on what is that false? You can fight someone without scaling to them, y’know. So your cop-out of it being “retconned” is invalid, especially since you provided no evidence to prove that it was supposedly retconned.
I already explained how it did. Minato scales to Naruto’s Rasenshuriken, which scales far beneath Gyūki.
Scans?
Gonna need scans of them claiming Minato is unsurpassable before any of this matters. Also Yagura is featless aside from while he was amped by Obito, so that’s useless.
I have, but the distance isn't large enough to make a big viewing difference.
That indeed sounds like headcanon.
Yes, all of 5-10 meters.
The jinchuriki weren't in partial transformation though. They were in V2.
Show me a scan of a PARTIAL TRANSFORMATION jinchuriki not having the parts of their body transformed being on Bijuu level.
Yeah which is what makes it so impressive.
Amazing, so the distance and the perspective that we're viewing Gyuki at is no different if he were up close then in your opinion
Thank you.
Yeah no
Funny you say that.
No, it’s really not.
Kakashi said Naruto surpassed him AND he had jutsu beyond Minato’s. Aside from the fact that you can’t prove that Kakashi isn’t on Minato’s level, Naruto’s Rasenshuriken surpassing Minato doesn’t mean Kakashi is on his level so
That’s entirely your headcanon. All Kakuzu says is that he fought the First Hokage, that’s it. Nothing about it whatsoever implies it was an even fight.
Talent = skill, not AP.
Tell me the chapter this was from, and I’ll get the official translation to confirm what he says.
And? Pre-War Arc Bijuu are not impressive in the slightest, Matatabi was barely able to overpower Kakuzu.
Ah ah ah, I never said Minato being on Bijuu level was the issue. In fact, I believe Minato could solo the Two through Seven-Tails... before the War Arc, that is. The Bijuu are accepted here as being far stronger during the War Arc than during early Part II, and those Bijuu scale far above Minato.
You have not proven this.
Mmm I have, and several other people in this thread have as well.
That is a very clearly different partial transformation to Bee's transformations. Bee's partial tail reached a long distance and was much thicker, so even if those partial transformations aren't bijuu level (which isn't actually proven by the size difference, could be a stylistic choice to make it look better), it doesn't say the same thing about Bee.
Yeah no
It's not no different, but it's not a long enough distance that it'll make a significant difference. The couch I'm looking at several meters away isn't that much bigger when I walk right up to it.
This is the only verse where I see the members arguing against the art.
So you really think that the Tentacle that Minato cut is comparable to the one Sasuke cut, when the the one Sasuke cut is easily larger than Karin while the one Minato cut was roughly his size?
It is headcanon but it also is acknowledged by most of Naruto's readers. People with common sense will think that it wouldn't make sense if Sasuke could actually slice Gyuki in half with Chidori Spear. Pretty sure he can only do that to Gyuki's tails. Therefore, slicing or destroying Gyuki's tails won't make your AP scale to his body's durability.
How is a half meter mini tail the same as the actual tentacle of Gyuki?
But it was larger than Minato too. Even in the biggest shots of Gyuki the tails look less than twice people's heights. Very different from the exponential difference between the edo jinchuriki tails and their full bodies.
Like I said, it does look bigger in the full shots, but it's not an exponential obvious difference like with the edo jinchuriki, so it's not enough to prove those tails are weaker.
If he tried to cut Gyuki in half, he would just interrupt him with a tail whip or a bijuudama or something, but if Gyuki simply stood still and let Sasuke do it, he could be cut in half.
