Mewtwo's Mind Hax Resistance

[SomebodyData]

I'm guessing people forgot the context that the Golden Armor used on Mewtwo was incomplete and that Mewtwo was amped? Purple Eyes had only gained pieces of the armor if I remember correctly.

 

[Kepekley23]

Except this feat is above almost all other haxes Mewtwo has shown. It being his only showing isn't an excuse; or else all verses with characters who only have a single, impressive feat that is also vastly above what anyone else has accomplished will also have to be upgraded.

This honestly mirrors people who want Anilaza and 17 to be Low 2-C by abusing our Tiering System, no offense.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Ever heard of an outlier? If a character has 9 Subsonic feats and 1 MFTL+ feat, the MFTL+ feat is an outlier.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm guessing people forgot the context that the Golden Armor used on Mewtwo was incomplete and that Mewtwo was amped? Purple Eyes had only gained pieces of the armor if I remember correctly.

Nope. It was complete by that point. And Mewtwo was amped by the Golden Armor being exerted on Mewtwo, so idk how that's an argument.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Except this feat is above almost all other haxes Mewtwo has shown. It being his only showing isn't an excuse; or else all verses with characters who only have a single, impressive feat that is also vastly above what anyone else has accomplished will also have to be upgraded.

Lucario (Pokémon 7).

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

That Lucario is also wanked.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Ever heard of an outlier? If a character has 9 Subsonic feats and 1 MFTL+ feat, the MFTL+ feat is an outlier.

Yeah matt ya call that a contradiction.

Oh which none exist here man.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

That Lucario is also wanked.

Wanted and just saying wanted without any evidence debating what had been listed is even worse man.

 

[Kepekley23]

I also think we should stop cross-scaling the Pokémon mangas and animes. Each continuity has a different author with a different take on the series.

For example, Pokémon ReBurst has Pokémon-level humans with super strength and speed that blows everything else out of the water. And it's a´plot point.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah matt ya call that a contradiction.

Oh which none exist here man.

Literally every feat of Mewtwo is of a scale infinitely lower than this. You are twisting the meaning of the word outlier until it doesn't exist.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Wanted and just saying wanted without any evidence debating what had been listed is even worse man.

I mean, I bet I could pick up every page of the manga aside from the one where he punches Darkrai and I would find nothing that would put him above Tier 6, with scaling. Without scaling I'm going to bet nothing of Tier 7 even.

 

[SomebodyData]

@Cal Really? I don't remember him taking the equipment from Ed? I know he had the other parts from the three guys but don't remember Ed's parts being taken.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I also think we should stop cross-scaling the Pokémon mangas and animes. Each continuity has a different author with a different take on the series.

Actually agree.

Matt hax resistance only man. Happen all over and honestly plenty of characters on the wiki have one time hax enduring feats if which are easily accepted.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

This in't some random character resisting mind hax out of the blue. This is the explicit strongest Pokemon psychic rsisting a 4d object by a slight amount. It is in no way an outlier, or contradiction.

 

[Kaltias]

Ever heard of an outlier? If a character has 9 Subsonic feats and 1 MFTL+ feat, the MFTL+ feat is an outlier.

Actually Matt, your character here speed blitzed 9 Subsonic people (aka was never affected by mind hax) then performed the MFTL+ feat (this one).

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

He very much took Ed's parts.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Matt hax resistance only man. Happen all over and honestly plenty of characters on the wiki have one time hax enduring feats if which are easily accepted.

"Happens all over" is never a good excuse. Argue why it isn't an outlier for Mewtwo rather than bring up other people vaguelly and devoid of context. In the case of Mewtwo, it's an outlier. He has hundreds of other feats that aren't on this level, literally, given how many appearances he has.

 

[Kaltias]

@SD

6:30

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This in't some random character resisting mind hax out of the blue. This is the explicit strongest Pokemon psychic rsisting a 4d object by a slight amount. It is in no way an outlier, or contradiction.

You don't seem to understand what an outlier is.

A character who's best Mind Hax resistance other than this is what? Resisting mind hax that can affect an entire world's population? A city's? Less? Suddenly enduring Tier 2 mindhax is an outlier.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

>Hundreds of feats

Mewtwo has never been mindhaxed before, and stating that it's an outier because his mindhax isn't 4-D sounds VERY non-sequitur

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

 

[SomebodyData]

@Cal ok, I'll trust you with that, but you sure? Pretty sure Ed had his pieces on. Also didn't Ed control Mewtwo without the rest of the equipment without issue?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Actually Matt, your character here speed blitzed 9 Subsonic people (aka was never affected by mind hax) then performed the MFTL+ feat (this one).

Show me the mind haxes he's faced. I doubt you'll find anything above 10,000 people at once, if that.

That no more justifies scaling from the Golden Helmet than a guy casually busting doors justifies him being able to blow up Russia.

 

[Kepekley23]

This in't some random character resisting mind hax out of the blue. This is the explicit strongest Pokemon psychic rsisting a 4d object by a slight amount. It is in no way an outlier, or contradiction.

Strongest psychic is false. Mewtwo is weaker than Necrozma and the other tier 4s who have shown psychic abilities.

Ignoring that, Mewtwo's best mind hax feat other than that...is not even a feat. He connects with every Pokémon on the world with his Telepathy. This isn't even a resistance feat, by the way.

It's an outlier.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Mewtwo has never been mindhaxed before, and stating that it's an outier because his mindhax isn't 4-D sounds VERY non-sequitur

Strawmaning and another word you don't seem to get. Being a reasonably decent 3D psychic doesn't excuse a 4D outlier.

Where are these numerous Mind Hax Resistance feats that apparently exist?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

@Matt

False Analogy. Said character likely does not have feats of doing so, while Mewtwo does.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Keep Mewtwo at the time kinda was the most powerful hyped up no God Mon.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Cal ok, I'll trust you with that, but you sure? Pretty sure Ed had his pieces on. Also didn't Ed control Mewtwo without the rest of the equipment without issue?

We have no idea what happens before. Keep in mind that Mewtwo only resists the complete version temporarily. We actually see Mewtwo contained in the Sky Fortress, so we don't know how long it took him to break Mewtwo.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Matt
False Analogy. Said character likely does not have feats of doing so, while Mewtwo does.

Missed my point entirely. My point if a character is a door-buster and people want to scale him out of fighting a guy who gave a Continent buster difficulty, it's likely an outlier.

Again, where are the feats?

I don't see anything that puts Mewtwo's supposed amazing Psychic Powers and Mind Hax resistance above a powerful Padawan or Gamma-level Psyker.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Keep Mewtwo at the time kinda was the most powerful hyped up no God Mon.

All Might is the most powerful My Hero Academia character. Always said to be the strongest. Does this mean he can be Tier 2 in a stat?

No.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

>Missed my point entirely. My point if a character is a door-buster and people want to scale him out of fighting a guy who gave a Continent buster difficulty, it's likely an outlier.

Again, where are the feats?

>Literally half of all jump scaling described.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Except by definition, if the feats were casual and no-sold, implying that that would be their ceiling

is a HUGE lowball at best.

 

[Kaltias]

Except that this isn't what you are saying Matt.

You are saying that this guy that wasn't harmed once in his life tanking a punch from the continent level guy is an outlier.

Except that it's literally the only time he had to try to tank something

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Nice matt when did I say that?

Just correcting kep.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Keep Mewtwo at the time kinda was the most powerful hyped up no God Mon.

All Might is the most powerful My Hero Academia character. Always said to be the strongest. Does this mean he can be Tier 2 in a stat?
No.

False ANalogy again. All-Might has no actual feats of being tier 2.

 

[Kepekley23]

False Analogy. Said character likely does not have feats of doing so, while Mewtwo does.

It's not a false analogy. You missed the point of the analogy entirely.

Mewtwo has literally no Mind Manipulation feats extending beyond a few hundred Pokémon. What he has is planetary Telepathy which you can stretch to planetary mindwipe.

Generously assuming Mewtwo can resist his own hax, that'd literally be his best feat. And it's based on unfounded assumptions.

Now he suddenly resists 4-D hax that could affect the god-tier...and we're accepting it?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

>
>Literally half of all jump scaling described.

So no feats at all? Just circular scaling. The only psychic feat anyone brought up is telepathic communication with planetary range.

That's terrible.

Except by definition, if the feats were casual and no-sold, implying that that would be their ceiling

is a HUGE lowball at best.

Again missed my point. It doesn't matter if they're casual, they nonetheless show the character's standard range of power and feats.

Again, where are the feats. Mewtwo has literally nothing but hype and a single outlier.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Except that this isn't what you are saying Matt.
You are saying that this guy that wasn't harmed once in his life tanking a punch from the continent level guy is an outlier.

Except that it's literally the only time he had to try to tank something

Again you misunderstand and try to twist what I mean.

What I mean is that a guy who's every feat is Room level suddenly scaling from a Continent level character, and not even directly, is an outlier.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Strongest psychic is false. Mewtwo is weaker than Necrozma and the other tier 4s who have shown psychic abilities.

>This was Gen 4 though, where Necrozma doesn't exist. You have Cresellia and that's it. Not to mention that Necrozma's not a stronger psychic. That's like saying Goku's a stronger psychic because he has power and has telekinesis. And there's no other tier 4 Pokémon but Necrozma.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Man Howard do me a favor and quickly check if Mewtwo endured dark matter mindhax.