Metroid V: To Infinity and Beyond

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Now that I’ve beaten Zero Mission (One of the best games I’ve ever played btw), I never realized that Samus’s original Power Suit got destroyed. It would be nice just to have a profile on what a stock Power Suit can do with its optional attachments.

It wasn't really destroyed, at least permanently. She has it back in subsequent games. Plus Metroid Dread shows that her suit can slowly repair itself.

 

[Chariot190]

It wasn't really destroyed, at least permanently. She has it back in subsequent games. Plus Metroid Dread shows that her suit can slowly repair itself.

Different suit. The starting suit in ZM is not the suit seen in every subsequent game. The Legendary can regen, the original was just a high tech chozo armor.

It would be nice just to have a profile on what a stock Power Suit can do with its optional attachments.

Literally why, the ONLY person who's ever used it, is Samus, in which everything it can do is listed on her profile. Like there's quite literally no point, we have that already, it's called Samus (Zero Mission).

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Literally why, the ONLY person who's ever used it, is Samus, in which everything it can do is listed on her profile. Like there's quite literally no point, we have that already, it's called Samus (Zero Mission).

In expanded media other people have Power Suits. Besides we have tons of Iron Man suit profiles nobody but Tony Stark wears.

 

[Chariot190]

In expanded media other people have Power Suits.

Literally nobody has that Power Suit besides her.
Feds have a different type of suit.
Fed Force have a different type of suit.
Birds have a different type of suit.
Gray Voice had an older suit.

Nobody ever but her. Probably because it was made for her in particular.

Besides we have tons of Iron Man suit profiles nobody but Tony Stark wears.

So? That's just how he's formatted. If we did it that way, we'd just have a "Samus" profile except she doesn't have the suit at all and it's just her basic self, and then we made each suit a profile. Which is like, stupid as shit because the way she's structured as a character doesn't lean towards that at all, it's integral, it's a part of her very character, only she can use it, and it isn't like each suit is different, it's just the SAME SUIT but with modifications bar the original which, still hits all the same notes anyway. Which then begs the question, why tf would we make it a profile instead of just a key on her's? Like we already do.

We're not doing it dude, it's a waste of time and doesn't even make sense to do.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Literally nobody has that Power Suit besides her.
Feds have a different type of suit.
Fed Force have a different type of suit.
Birds have a different type of suit.
Gray Voice had an older suit.

Nobody ever but her. Probably because it was made for her in particular.

I don't remember saying it was canon.

So? That's just how he's formatted. If we did it that way, we'd just have a "Samus" profile except she doesn't have the suit at all and it's just her basic self, and then we made each suit a profile. Which is like, stupid as shit because the way she's structured as a character doesn't lean towards that at all, it's integral, it's a part of her very character, only she can use it, and it isn't like each suit is different, it's just the SAME SUIT but with modifications bar the original which, still hits all the same notes anyway. Which then begs the question, why tf would we make it a profile instead of just a key on her's? Like we already do.

We're not doing it dude, it's a waste of time and doesn't even make sense to do.

I just thought it'd be cool, no need to get on my ass about it.

 

[XatorNova]

small question on the metroid suit

in powers and abilities, it indicates that
"All previous abilities, besides those relating to non-Beam suit equipment and Aeion powers"

so it doesn't have the resistance to extreme temperatures from the varia/gravity suit, right?
maybe it's obvious and just reading comprehension, but I'm asking to make sure I understood everything correctly

 

[Chariot190]

small question on the metroid suit

in powers and abilities, it indicates that
"All previous abilities, besides those relating to non-Beam suit equipment and Aeion powers"

so it doesn't have the resistance to extreme temperatures from the varia/gravity suit, right?
maybe it's obvious and just reading comprehension, but I'm asking to make sure I understood everything correctly

It has actual suit equipment like the suits, screw attack, speed boost, etc.

Maybe should reword it slightly. It's just aeon it dont have i think, but it's obv missing something otherwise idk why we'd have wrote that.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

We should really develop a pecking order for which of Samus's equipment is stronger than which. A blanket statement of "stronger weaponry" wouldn't make sense to anyone who hasn't played the game and people who have played it would know better ways of wording it.

 

[XatorNova]

It has actual suit equipment like the suits, screw attack, speed boost, etc.

Maybe should reword it slightly. It's just aeon it dont have i think, but it's obv missing something otherwise idk why we'd have wrote that.

okay thanks, I had assumed she had all powers when I played dread, but when I read the profile I got confused

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Come to think of it, why is Samus's profile split up into four? Why not just have one colossal profile?

 

[Armorchompy]

It has actual suit equipment like the suits, screw attack, speed boost, etc.

Maybe should reword it slightly. It's just aeon it dont have i think, but it's obv missing something otherwise idk why we'd have wrote that.

Yeah I think that's an artifact back from when I didn't know she could still use power bombs. Realistically it's probably just aeon she's missing although gameplay-wise ig she can't use missiles IIRC. My mistake either way

We should really develop a pecking order for which of Samus's equipment is stronger than which. A blanket statement of "stronger weaponry" wouldn't make sense to anyone who hasn't played the game and people who have played it would know better ways of wording it.

There isn't a "pecking order". There's the basic weapons like the power beam and missiles, then there's the x3 strong ones like super missiles, screw attack, speed booster and plasma beam, there's a few unknowns in-between and there's game-specific ones that upscale like hypermode.

Come to think of it, why is Samus's profile split up into four? Why not just have one colossal profile?

Because it would be clunky as hell and absolutely unreadable.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

There isn't a "pecking order". There's the basic weapons like the power beam and missiles, then there's the x3 strong ones like super missiles, screw attack, speed booster and plasma beam, there's a few unknowns in-between and there's game-specific ones that upscale like hypermode.

Even among the stronger stuff there are many weapons that can kill things others can't, or oneshot an enemy vs taking multiple shots.

Because it would be clunky as hell and absolutely unreadable.

I'd think there would be a lot of Keys but that's it. It would be a happy medium between now and having profiles for individual suits like Iron Man.

 

[Chariot190]

Even among the stronger stuff there are many weapons that can kill things others can't, or oneshot an enemy vs taking multiple shots.

There's like, 3 layers.
Base shit. Super Missile shit. And then Shinespark, Plasma, Power Bomb, Screw Attack shit. In which they're noted to be "strongest" among her stuff. There's no canon value for how much though. And simply being the strongest doesn't mean a tier change.

I'd think there would be a lot of Keys but that's it. It would be a happy medium between now and having profiles for individual suits like Iron Man.

Dog what, you have no idea how ass it'd be because that's what I originally wanted. Splitting them up wasn't the default option, it's the same character, the first option will always be to keep it as one whole unless forced.

The amount of keys, tabs, etc was ass, and yet there wasn't any way around it, I even tried to invent whole new code for it, it just wasn't feasible, there was to many keys that would have their own keys. Once you get to the point of a key have like 5 tabbers within itself like a russian doll, shit's ******. The general rule of thumb was if it went beyond 3 tabs within a tab, it's getting split so we don't end up like Kirby or Sonic.
You gotta realize non-Metroid fans gotta be able to parse through the profiles too, and they won't know you need to click this tab, and then in that tab, this other tab, and then this other tab, and then this tab, and then that tab, just to find out that Samus in Light suit has minor deconstruction resistance.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

There's like, 3 layers.
Base shit. Super Missile shit. And then Shinespark, Plasma, Power Bomb, Screw Attack shit. In which they're noted to be "strongest" among her stuff. There's no canon value for how much though. And simply being the strongest doesn't mean a tier change.

I'll have to do more research into what can kill what.

Dog what, you have no idea how ass it'd be because that's what I originally wanted. Splitting them up wasn't the default option, it's the same character, the first option will always be to keep it as one whole unless forced.

The amount of keys, tabs, etc was ass, and yet there wasn't any way around it, I even tried to invent whole new code for it, it just wasn't feasible, there was to many keys that would have their own keys. Once you get to the point of a key have like 5 tabbers within itself like a russian doll, shit's ******. The general rule of thumb was if it went beyond 3 tabs within a tab, it's getting split so we don't end up like Kirby or Sonic.
You gotta realize non-Metroid fans gotta be able to parse through the profiles too, and they won't know you need to click this tab, and then in that tab, this other tab, and then this other tab, and then this tab, and then that tab, just to find out that Samus in Light suit has minor deconstruction resistance.

Do you still have that amalgamation somewhere? I have ways of saving damned profiles.

 

[Armorchompy]

Even among the stronger stuff there are many weapons that can kill things others can't, or oneshot an enemy vs taking multiple shots.

Yeah and it's inconsistent to the point that you can't establish a proper order. Power bombs are often stated to be her strongest weapon but straight-up can't scratch most bosses, charged plasma is stronger than super missiles but they work better on certain enemies (in SM Ridley is programmed to take 3x damage from super missiles), screw attack is the strongest against fodder but rarely works on bosses (but sometimes it does way more damage than anything else, like against the SA-X), shinespark is an entirely different situation in that you can't even use it in 99% of boss fights.

I'd think there would be a lot of Keys but that's it. It would be a happy medium between now and having profiles for individual suits like Iron Man.

I'm frankly not even going to entertain the idea until I'm shown a complete and functioning sandbox.

 

[thetechmaster36]

Power bombs are often stated to be her strongest weapon but straight-up can't scratch most bosses, charged plasma is stronger than super missiles but they work better on certain enemies (in SM Ridley is programmed to take 3x damage from super missiles), screw attack is the strongest against fodder but rarely works on bosses (but sometimes it does way more damage than anything else, like against the SA-X), shinespark is an entirely different situation in that you can't even use it in 99% of boss fights.

Some things I want to point out here, not that you're wrong on any of these points (you're right, in fact lol), but:

• Power Bombs can work on some bosses; Nettori in Fusion, for example, will actually take damage from Power Bombs, and although you never get to see it outside of cheats or randomizers, Power Bombs in Dread will straight up one-shot bosses (or, if they have multiple phases, the entire phase will be one-shot) before the Elite Chozo Warrior fight due to how they're programmed.
• SM Ridley is only programmed to take two times damage, not three times; I think you're somewhat conflating that with the statement from Fusion where Adam states Super Missiles will triple her firepower? Again, not wrong, just a slightly different value.
• Dread's Shinespark does allow you to use it against quite a wide variety of bosses. The Central Units will have their shells instantly removed by a Shinespark (not sure about if it's an instakill on the membrane though), and a lot of bosses will have half their health or so taken away when hit by a Shinespark. Core-X will instantly die. The only boss a Shinespark doesn't work against (to my knowledge) is Raven Beak, who will literally just plink Samus off and it's actually really funny lol

 

[Armorchompy]

Some things I want to point out here, not that you're wrong on any of these points (you're right, in fact lol), but:

• Power Bombs can work on some bosses; Nettori in Fusion, for example, will actually take damage from Power Bombs

Fair.

• SM Ridley is only programmed to take two times damage, not three times; I think you're somewhat conflating that with the statement from Fusion where Adam states Super Missiles will triple her firepower? Again, not wrong, just a slightly different value.

You're probably right.

• Dread's Shinespark does allow you to use it against quite a wide variety of bosses. The Central Units will have their shells instantly removed by a Shinespark (not sure about if it's an instakill on the membrane though), and a lot of bosses will have half their health or so taken away when hit by a Shinespark. Core-X will instantly die. The only boss a Shinespark doesn't work against (to my knowledge) is Raven Beak, who will literally just plink Samus off and it's actually really funny lol

I emphasized it's most fights where it doesn't work, but Dread is an exception yeah. It straight-up one-shots the gold pirates in SM Tourian too.

 

[thetechmaster36]

It straight-up one-shots the gold pirates in SM Tourian too.

my goats the sm speedrunners showing me that saved me so much trouble in that one room in norfair

 

[thetechmaster36]

The only boss a Shinespark doesn't work against (to my knowledge) is Raven Beak, who will literally just plink Samus off and it's actually really funny lol

Actually, on this note, maybe we could add this to Raven Beak's profile? I don't recall a single instance where a boss was capable of tanking a Shinespark and damaging Samus in the process. I could maybe experiment a bit with a randomizer and see what bosses can or can't take Shinesparks (before you can normally obtain it in Dread, anyways), but I think that's something worth considering.

 

[Chariot190]

This ultimate doesn't matter, the 4 specific things I named off, I named off precisely because each one has at least two statements calling it "her most powerful thing" in some way or another.
They all just kind of sit in a "big boy" category that's above the rest of her usual stuff but all comparable to each other to varying degrees (most of the time anyway).
There's also the secret 4th layer with Hyper Beam, Hyper Mode and the funny meme shit but that obv don't count

Actually, on this note, maybe we could add this to Raven Beak's profile? I don't recall a single instance where a boss was capable of tanking a Shinespark and damaging Samus in the process. I could maybe experiment a bit with a randomizer and see what bosses can or can't take Shinesparks (before you can normally obtain it in Dread, anyways), but I think that's something worth considering.

Don't bother with anything involving game breaking, it isn't intended and a good chunk of cases like that might lead to things like instant kills or even 0 damage simply due to not being coded properly because they never intended it to even be a option (this is the case for multiple bosses in older games due to randomizer stuff), plus we wouldn't be able to use it anyway.

Obviously stuff like Kraid bombs or even older game skips like early wave beam is fine. Those things that are dev intended to a degree and able to be performed in normal gameplay so there's some frame of reference going on, may not be canon but it's still a "what if" type thing that has merit.

 

[thetechmaster36]

Don't bother with anything involving game breaking, it isn't intended and a good chunk of cases like that might lead to things like instant kills or even 0 damage simply due to not being coded properly because they never intended it to even be a option (this is the case for multiple bosses in older games due to randomizer stuff), plus we wouldn't be able to use it anyway.

Fair enough, that's also why I mentioned Power Bombs in Dread only being as powerful as they are against certain bosses due to them being programmed to not work on bosses by the time you get them.

 

[Chariot190]

Though, if ya wanna check shit when ya have time. Check Metroid suit, what does she have exactly? Double checking would be helpful. I would check myself but, I uh, I don't wanna (and also Raven Beak hard.... i don't wanna beat him again....).
Maybe grab the funny beam fuse statement too if ya can, if you end up checking.

 

[thetechmaster36]

I've got both the Hyper Beam description and Metroid Suit description (the latter just in-case there's something that could use it).

As for what she has in the Metroid Suit, it's basically every single one of her abilities except for the Aeion abilities (Phantom Cloak, Flash Shift, and Pulse Radar). Other than that, according to the wiki's trivia section, she has an infinite supply of Power Bombs (don't know if that's true or not, can't test it myself because I'm on a bit of a vacation rn and don't have a controller)

Any enemies that touch her literally die on contact, and the Hyper Beam also destroys any X Parasites that float around, even in gameplay.

(and also Raven Beak hard.... i don't wanna beat him again....)

clearly you can't mash at 15hz to skip the gold armor in phase 1

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Raven Beak can just neg the Shinespark? What the ****?

 

[thetechmaster36]

Yeah, afaik, he seems to be the only character capable of doing so that's within the realm of legitimacy (i.e. bosses that you'd actually have Speed Booster for). It's basically impossible to do it for bosses in Fusion because of the compact arenas, and in Super, the only boss that takes damage from a Shinespark is Draygon. But they don't outright stop it like Raven Beak does.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Why is samus and joey considered canon?

 

[Chariot190]

Why is samus and joey considered canon?

Because they basically say it is and a lot of shit had to get supervised.

 

[Armorchompy]

Basically a mixture of "it has stated a place in canon" and "it doesn't really contrast anything". It's not really referenced (outside of "any objections" coming from here) but nothing says it isn't canon anymore, so.

 

[Chariot190]

Interview: Idzuki Kouji

We are extremely pleased to be interviewing Idzuki Kouji, the mangaka (author and illustrator) of Samus and Joey and Metroid EX, a four-part Metroid manga series that was published in Comic Bom Bom…

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Interview I found by googling "samus & joey interview"

 

[JJSliderman]

I don’t think my heart could take another downgrade.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Interview: Idzuki Kouji

We are extremely pleased to be interviewing Idzuki Kouji, the mangaka (author and illustrator) of Samus and Joey and Metroid EX, a four-part Metroid manga series that was published in Comic Bom Bom…

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Interview I found by googling "samus & joey interview"

With the same standard I'm pretty sure Smash would be canon

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

With the same standard I'm pretty sure Smash would be canon

The difference is Smash Bros is demonstrated contradicted heavily by a lot of other Nintendo verse(s) lores.

 

[Chariot190]

With the same standard I'm pretty sure Smash would be canon

Wut

"Yeah this manga which is a gaiden that takes place between here and here. I had to have Nintendo and Sakamoto review stuff extensively and worked with the latter on parts. I got insider info to corroborate the game lore and canon that hasnt released yet to keep it consistent, also the ending is the way it is because it has to lead into Fusion, etc".

That is not the same as smash bros wtf. It's basically everything but the word "canon", which isnt actually that used outside of these specific talks anyway..

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I will never ever give up on Metroid debating until either Samus gets an actual fair Death Battle or Mother Brain gets an army fight

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

An army fight with Mother Brain could be really cool as a sort of "Assault the fortress" type of battle.

 

[Luckyfun]

So i heard that the developers want to have a gunship fight in Metroid Prime Beyond. My best guess would be Samus scaling to her gunship mftl speed. Or time travel.

 

[JJSliderman]

All of the gunship stuff is hyperspace so unless the fight takes place in hyperspace, no go.

Will be cool to see how they implement the combat though.

 

[thetechmaster36]

hey, i'm all for giving Metroid games more avenues of gameplay to make it stand out, and if that includes a Star Fox-like spaceship shooter section, then i'm 100% down

 

[Armorchompy]

I'd rather they focus on the core gameplay, I feel like that'll benefit the overall world design. I'd be up for a spinoff or something though.

 

[OrangeFR]

All of the gunship stuff is hyperspace so unless the fight takes place in hyperspace, no go.

Will be cool to see how they implement the combat though.

It would be crazy if they disprove hyperspace Metroid somehow. Prime 4 is gonna be peak and might be the reason for me getting a switch 2 tbh.