Punch out!! general discussion 2026

[LandonTheGuy]

So, i've noticed that altho punch out is a pretty important verse for vsbw, it's quiete outdated as the last time the verse was majorly updated was in mid 2023, so i would like to do something about it.

POTENTIAL ADDITIONS/REVISIONS
Wii continuity
Attack potency

• Mr.Sandman breaks a chunk of a wall - 827 KJ (Wall level) (EVALUATED)
• Don Flamenco takes a bull head on (literally) - 1,947898225 MJ (Wall level) (EVALUATED)
• Tiger punch KE - 0.0032457454 up to 0.0129829817 Tons of tnt (Wall level+) (EVALUATED)

Speed

• Piston Honda stops a Katana - 133,5 up to 664,17 m/s (Subsonic up to Supersonic) (IN EVALUATION)
• Tiger punch speed - 1.351 m/s (Supersonic+) (EVALUATED)

Lifting strenght

• Lifting weights - 645.256408313 kg (Class 1) (EVALUATED)
• Soda Popinsky drags a truck - 2.7 up to 3.82 Tons (Class 5) (IN EVALUATION)

Ness continuity

• Great Tiger teleports - 190.53 m/s (Subsonic+) (EVALUATED)

SOME OTHER STUFF

• Making the calc section of the verse more like this.
• Giving Nick Bruiser the same rating as other character punch up characters, as there are some normal Punch Up characters in Super Punch Out!!.
• Doc Luis not being weaker than his PRIME self.
• Adding a title defense tier to all characters that appear in punch out Wii.
• Separating NESS continuity from the Wii continuity of punch out.

SCALING IF THIS GETS ACCEPTED

• NESS scaling: Stays the same in terms of ap, in speed however every fighter that is Subsonic+ rating.
• Wii scaling (pre-title defense): Same thing applies here, but here in a more drastic matter, every character before title defense should be Wall level as they are supposed to be weaker to their title defense counterpart (where they train themself to defeat mac), while for speed they should always be in the Subsonic range as we can see that Don Flamenco punches can leave after-imgs (he does it also in his fight intro), this tier should be consistent as we got other characters that have attacks that are hard to percive with the naked eye and Piston Honda rush also slows down time (this is not a game mechanic as we got other characters that stop the timer while doing their special attacks instead of slowing it down).
• Wii scaling (title defense): All characters scale to the Small Building Level feat (altho they all downscale from it), all characters should already be in that Supersonic+ range due of Great Tiger's feat and other supportive stuff like Hondo catching up with a bullet train or always him catching a katana.

NESS scaling: 25807.17 Joules and 190 m/s (everyone pre great tiger downscales this value and ppl after upscale it).

Wii scaling for everyone (pre-title defense)
Minor circuit

1. Glass Joe: 114110 J, 34.3 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
2. Von Kaiser: 114110 J, 34.3 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
3. Disco Kid: 114110 JJ, 34.3 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
4. King Hippo: 114110 J, 34.3 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.

Major circuit

1. Piston Honda: 114110 J, 34.3 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
2. Bear Hugger: 114110 J, 34.3 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
3. Great Tiger: 114110 J, 34.3 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
4. Don Flamenco: 114110 J, 34.3 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.

World circuit

1. Aran Rayan: Upscales 114110 J, 34.3 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
2. Soda Popinsky: Upscales 114110 J, 34.3 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
3. Bald Bull: Upscales 114110 J, 34.3 m/s, 645.256408313 kg.
4. Super Macho Man: Upscales 114110 J, 34.3 m/s, upscales 645.256408313 kg.
5. Mr.Sandman: At least Upscales114110 J , 34.3 m/s, upscales 645.256408313 kg.

Wii scaling for everyone (title defense)

Minor circuit

1. Glass Joe: 0.013 Tons of tnt (Small building level), scales to 1.351 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
2. Von Kaiser: 0.013 Tons of tnt (Small building level), scales to 1.351 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
3. Disco Kid: 0.013 Tons of tnt (Small building level), scales to 1.351 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
4. King Hippo: 0.013 Tons of tnt (Small building level), scales to 1.351 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.

Major circuit

1. Piston Honda: 0.013 Tons of tnt (Small building level), scales to 1.351 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
2. Bear Hugger: 0.013 Tons of tnt (Small building level), scales to 1.351 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
3. Great Tiger: 0.013 Tons of tnt (Small building level), scales to 1.351 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
4. Don Flamenco: upscales 0.013 Tons of tnt (Small building level), upscales to 1.351 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.

World circuit

1. Aran Rayan: upscales 0.013 Tons of tnt (Small building level), upscales to 1.351 m/s, downscales 645.256408313 kg.
2. Soda Popinsky: upscales 0.013 Tons of tnt (Small building level), upscales to 1.351 m/s, scales to 2.7 up to 3.82 Tons (Class 5).
3. Bald Bull: Downscales: upscales 0.013 Tons of tnt (Small building level), upscales to 1.351 m/s, upscales 2.7 up to 3.82 Tons (Class 5).
4. Super Macho Man: upscales 0.013 Tons of tnt (Small building level), upscales to 1.351 m/s, upscales 2.7 up to 3.82 Tons (Class 5).
5. Mr.Sandman: Heavly upscales 0.013 Tons of tnt (Small building level) , upscales to 1.351 m/s, upscales 2.7 up to 3.82 Tons (Class 5).

Other stuff is more than welcome.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

@Rex_Eckles

 

[DaReaperMan]

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[LandonTheGuy]

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uh... did i do something wrong?

 

[DaReaperMan]

uh... did i do something wrong?

..

 

[LandonTheGuy]

..

I'll take that as a no.


Now, do you want to add a third point to that or a forth point to this:

So, i've noticed that altho punch out is a pretty important verse for vsbw, it's quiete outdated as the last time the versa was majorly updated was in mid 2023 form my knowlege, so i would like to do some stuff about it.

POTENTIAL ADDITIONS/REVISIONS

• Mr.Sandman breaks a chunk of a wall - 827 KJ (Wall level)
• Mr.Sandman cracks () a building - 0.035/0.03846 Tons of tnt (Small building level)
• Great Tiger teleports - 190.53 m/s (Subsonic+) (EVALUATED)

SOME OTHER STUFF

• Making the calc section of the verse more like this.
• Giving Nick Bruiser the same rating as other character punch up characters, as there are some normal Punch Up characters in Super Punch Out!!.
• Doc Luis not being weaker than his PRIME self.

Other stuff is more than welcome.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I have arrived.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Can Little Mac dodge Great Tiger's teleportation?

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Can Little Mac dodge Great Tiger's teleportation?

he can block it

 

[Rex_Eckles]

he can block it

Does Tiger punch after he finishes teleporting?

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Does Tiger punch after he finishes teleporting?

mac can block the punch like this, so i would say he scales to it.



i think you can dodge it if you are enough handy with the NESS controller.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

mac can block the punch like this, so i would say he scales to it.



i think you can dodge it if you are enough handy with the NESS controller.

That's probably good enough.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

That's probably good enough.

perfect


hopefully we can say the same thing about the small Building level calc.

You got any opinions on it or u wanna see how things go First?

 

[LandonTheGuy]

i'll provably do a calc to see the Wii interation of the feat later.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

perfect


hopefully we can say the same thing about the small Building level calc.

You got any opinions on it or u wanna see how things go First?

The main issue is the potentially ambiguous timeframe of the feat.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

The main issue is the potentially ambiguous timeframe of the feat.

Ok i want you to notice how there isn't any rubble on the ground in this img and everything is still flying in the air.

This means that the feat was caused all at once because if it wasn't there would have been rubble on the ground.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

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@Rex_Eckles

Added a new scaling for the verse if ya'll intrested

also if u have some ppl that might be intrested, that would be cool

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Shouldn't the division between Wii and NES scaling be removed, since (despite the ads) the Wii version is a remake of the original?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Shouldn't the division between Wii and NES scaling be removed, since (despite the ads) the Wii version is a remake of the original?

Where's Mike Tyson in Wii?

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Where's Mike Tyson in Wii?

Disco Kid is the slightly gay version Tyson... also power of copyright

Shouldn't the division between Wii and NES scaling be removed, since (despite the ads) the Wii version is a remake of the original?

Idk if u could really call it "remake" conasidering they added some characters to the roster (ONE).


And the ads are not the word of God soo... I think we should just make straight up different characters profiles for both honestly, considering all the differences they got.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Disco Kid is the slightly gay version Tyson... also power of copyright

Idk if u could really call it "remake" conasidering they added some characters to the roster (ONE).


And the ads are not the word of God soo... I think we should just make straight up different characters profiles for both honestly, considering all the differences they got.

I mean, they literally depict the same events.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

I mean, they literally depict the same events.

We do have many differences between the first and second game, like title defense mode or other characters like Disco Kid.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

We do have many differences between the first and second game, like title defense mode or other characters like Disco Kid.

I guess so.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Piston Honda rush also slows down time

He can also run alongside a bullet train.

Mr.Sandman cracks () a building - 0.035/0.03846 Tons of tnt (Small building level)

Probably should account for him doing it in multiple punches (2 specifically). In light of the debris not hitting the group by the time of the second punch, I now fully endorse this feat.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

exept Mac as we don't see him grapple no one due of gameplay reasons)

We do see Mac lift weights, so he should at least have Athletic Human LS.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

We do see Mac lift weights, so he should at least have Athletic Human LS.

i think it's already listed on his proflile

 

[LandonTheGuy]

He can also run alongside a bullet train.

That's in his title defense key, so ig we scalin them to that

Probably should account for him doing it in multiple punches (2 specifically). In light of the debris not hitting the group by the time of the second punch, I now fully endorse this feat.

Sure man

 

[LandonTheGuy]

bump

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Bump.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Bump.

Careful, multiple pages in this verse might turn into different languages if you're not careful...

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Careful, multiple pages in this verse might turn into different languages if you're not careful...

.... What?

 

[DaReaperMan]

.... What?

I live in America, guess the date

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I live in America, guess the date

God dammit.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

I live in America, guess the date

bro it's literally my birthday today

 

[Rex_Eckles]

bro it's literally my birthday today

Happy birthday!

 

[LandonTheGuy]

bump

 

[LandonTheGuy]

bump

new calcs

 

[Rex_Eckles]

We're getting there, slowly but surely.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

We're getting there, slowly but surely.

yep, anything to start a discussion? perhaps corrections that you would like in the calcs or other feats?