Regarding MOTHER 3 characters’ Durability and more

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

1. So, at the end of MOTHER 3, everyone basically survives The Dark Dragon’s Multiversal reset. Would this mean the characters (such as Lucas) be Low Multiversal to Multiversal in Durability and (probably) Attack Potency?

2. Also, I’m thinking about upgrading the characters from Town level to City level on a future Calc. There’s probably still evidence EarthBound could be Low 1-C still, might not be the best evidence maybe.

3. EarthBound’s Magicant is a conceptual realm?

4. Giygas (Sealed and Unsealed Keys) should be 2-C, likely 2-B due to being able to attack across time and spread his influence across time. These “times and spaces” are treated as universes, and I still believe the verse should be solidly 2-B based on this scan. Giygas should also scale to the Dark Dragon, Thanks to this scan. Even the page says “His evil able to spread its influence from both the past and the future”

 

[Kellex]

1. Nope. The Dark Dragon's actions are dependent on whether the person that pulled the needle is good, bad, or neither. Since Lucas has a good heart and was the one to pull the last needle, the Dark Dragon reset everything along with erasing the concept of evil. They survived not because they're extremely durable, that would ruin Earthbound powerscaling entirely, but instead because they also have a good heart like Lucas. Except, well, Porky also lived, but I think the Absolutely Safe Capsule is just that durable lmao.

2. They used to be city level before, so you can give it a shot and see how it goes. Low 1-C on the other hand tho? That idea has been brought up and shut down too many times that I'm not so sure about it. I'm still interested in seeing the evidence however.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

1. Nope. The Dark Dragon's actions are dependent on whether the person that pulled the needle is good, bad, or neither. Since Lucas has a good heart and was the one to pull the last needle, the Dark Dragon reset everything along with erasing the concept of evil. They survived not because they're extremely durable, that would ruin Earthbound powerscaling entirely, but instead because they also have a good heart like Lucas. Except, well, Porky also lived, but I think the Absolutely Safe Capsule is just that durable lmao.

Hmm.. understood then!

2. They used to be city level before, so you can give it a shot and see how it goes. Low 1-C on the other hand tho? That idea has been brought up and shut down too many times that I'm not so sure about it. I'm still interested in seeing the evidence however.

Yeah, I created a Calc here, not sure who scales to it. Awesome…

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Alright, so we got the scan translated at last, let’s see if Magicant would be a conceptual realm. And if so, what types?

Link

 

[Kellex]

Yeah, I created a Calc here, not sure who scales to it. Awesome…

You should get that checked out with a calc group member first before making a CRT. To answer your question tho, this would replace tier 8-C or at least make it "8-C to Low 7-B" and then replace tier 7-C entirely with just Low 7-B.

Alright, so we got the scan translated at last, let’s see if Magicant would be a conceptual realm. And if so, what types?

Link

I'm not a pro at this kind of stuff yet, but I'm very interested so I'll put my comment when I get the chance to read the whole thing. I hope it goes well for ya!

 

[Chariot190]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
That calc is definitely extremely generous. Like yeah the Kraken is that big, but so is the palm trees, and the boat, and a bunch of other things we 100% know aren't that big.
Like even if the math is fine, actually applying it likely won't fly unless there's a statement actually comparing the two objects given the overworld is extremely abstracted and not to scale.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
That calc is definitely extremely generous. Like yeah the Kraken is that big, but so is the palm trees, and the boat, and a bunch of other things we 100% know aren't that big.
Like even if the math is fine, actually applying it likely won't fly unless there's a statement actually comparing the two objects given the overworld is extremely abstracted and not to scale.

Hm, understood.

 

[Chariot190]

I mean, there's prob some unlooked feats tho, it's been awhile, but there's gotta be something. Dungeon man maybe? Starstorm? That ******* cloud dude? It's been to long for me to properly pinpoint decent feats to calc but I know there's stuff that hasn't been looked at, try checking those.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Alright, so we got the scan translated at last, let’s see if Magicant would be a conceptual realm. And if so, what types?

Link

I’m starting to think this isn’t even conceptual manipulation (not even Type 3)

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Bump

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

2. They used to be city level before, so you can give it a shot and see how it goes. Low 1-C on the other hand tho? That idea has been brought up and shut down too many times that I'm not so sure about it. I'm still interested in seeing the evidence however.

• If the ToTU is the "wave" (all possibilities/infinite 4D timelines) and the game world is the "grain" (the single collapsed reality), the ToTU acts as the Hilbert Space—a mathematical construct that contains infinite dimensions.

I could be wrong tho, since I think these mathematical spaces wouldn’t be a tier (there’s more arguments)

 

[Kellex]

• If the ToTU is the "wave" (all possibilities/infinite 4D timelines) and the game world is the "grain" (the single collapsed reality), the ToTU acts as the Hilbert Space—a mathematical construct that contains infinite dimensions.

I could be wrong tho, since I think these mathematical spaces wouldn’t be a tier (there’s more arguments)

Oh shoot I forgot about this thread ngl

I guess you can put it in that way.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Oh shoot I forgot about this thread ngl

I guess you can put it in that way.

woah, sweet

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

3. EarthBound’s Magicant is a conceptual realm?

4. Giygas (Sealed and Unsealed Keys) should be 2-C, likely 2-B due to being able to attack across time and spread his influence across time. These “times and spaces” are treated as universes, and I still believe the verse should be solidly 2-B based on this scan. Giygas should also scale to the Dark Dragon, Thanks to this scan. Even the page says “His evil able to spread its influence from both the past and the future”

What do you think about these?

 

[Chariot190]

That's range.
Though with a bit more context you might be able to get immeasurable attack speed.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

That's range.
Though with a bit more context you might be able to get immeasurable attack speed.

Ooo

Which means, if Ness were able to Dodge Giygas’ attacks, he should be Immeasurable..

 

[Chariot190]

Ooo

Which means, if Ness were able to Dodge Giygas’ attacks, he should be Immeasurable..

I said with a bit more context. Atm it'd only be range, but if you can somehow connect it to be a speed/state of being thing, uh, idk yeah ig he would?

 

[Kellex]

What do you think about these?

3. EarthBound’s Magicant is a conceptual realm?

In my opinion? I think it could work, but it'll would definitely need a bit more information and further explanation. Maybe you can take a look at Magicant from Earthbound Beginnings? I have NEVER touched Earthbound Beginnings tho, so I can't really help ya on that unfortunately.

4. Giygas (Sealed and Unsealed Keys) should be 2-C, likely 2-B due to being able to attack across time and spread his influence across time. These “times and spaces” are treated as universes, and I still believe the verse should be solidly 2-B based on this scan. Giygas should also scale to the Dark Dragon, Thanks to this scan. Even the page says “His evil able to spread its influence from both the past and the future”

Funny enough, the 2-B range used to be on Giygas' profile a long time ago, but was removed for some reason. He still has those scans on his page btw.

Time Manipulation (Can attack across time. His influence has shown to spread across time)

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Would the good characters have resistance to the Dark Dragon’s powers since they aren’t evil in the slightest?:

Void Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Reality Warping (Able to entirely reshape existence, including time, when it awakens. If someone with a good heart awakens the Dragon, all the evil will purged away, and life will shine even more. Otherwise if someone evil or without a heart at all does, everything will be destroyed instead)

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

In my opinion? I think it could work, but it'll would definitely need a bit more information and further explanation. Maybe you can take a look at Magicant from Earthbound Beginnings? I have NEVER touched Earthbound Beginnings tho, so I can't really help ya on that unfortunately.

Bet

Funny enough, the 2-B range used to be on Giygas' profile a long time ago, but was removed for some reason. He still has those scans on his page btw.

Weird.

 

[Kellex]

Would the good characters have resistance to the Dark Dragon’s powers since they aren’t evil in the slightest?:

Void Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Reality Warping (Able to entirely reshape existence, including time, when it awakens. If someone with a good heart awakens the Dragon, all the evil will purged away, and life will shine even more. Otherwise if someone evil or without a heart at all does, everything will be destroyed instead)

No, absolutely not.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

No, absolutely not.

Gotcha

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Alright, after reading through the concepts of EarthBound, Magicant (Ness’ version) could be either Low 2-C, 2-A, or even Low 1-C.. might be a stretch on Low 1-C!

Magicant is most likely Low 2-C (Universe level+) at a minimum, as it is a discrete 4-dimensional space-time continuum made of thought. However, because it embodies the Truth of the Universe (the abstract source of all reality), a strong argument can be made for Tier 1..

I should be Conceptual Manipulation, dunno which types

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Woah woah, actually, this is big, Magicant could be 2-A, which means.. a ton of revisions are gonna happen—if it’s true

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Dark Dragon's reset wouldn't scale to anyone's durability, it's left vague but it's more so just Dark Dragon who took care of everything being most likely conclusion.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Alright, after reading through the concepts of EarthBound, Magicant (Ness’ version) could be either Low 2-C, 2-A, or even Low 1-C.. might be a stretch on Low 1-C!

Magicant is most likely Low 2-C (Universe level+) at a minimum, as it is a discrete 4-dimensional space-time continuum made of thought. However, because it embodies the Truth of the Universe (the abstract source of all reality), a strong argument can be made for Tier 1..

I should be Conceptual Manipulation, dunno which types

A sandbox for Ness was created, what do you think of this this though?

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Dark Dragon's reset wouldn't scale to anyone's durability, it's left vague but it's more so just Dark Dragon who took care of everything being most likely conclusion.

Understood!

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

We got the sandbox for Ness so far:

Have a look, share your thoughts and such.

 

[Kellex]

We got the sandbox for Ness so far:

Have a look, share your thoughts and such.

Huh, there's stuff from the manga? Hm...

I see no problem with the powers and abilities, but the manga would need confirmation that it IS indeed canon. This is especially important considering staff might be changing the canonicity standards, which will obviously effect everything.

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So unless there is good proof of approval, then it's kinda hard to say. Your blog still looks pretty good tho, don't get me wrong!

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Huh, there's stuff from the manga? Hm...

I see no problem with the powers and abilities, but the manga would need confirmation that it IS indeed canon. This is especially important considering staff might be changing the canonicity standards, which will obviously effect everything.

Staff Only: Canonicity Based on Approval

Introduction Happy New Year ladies gents and everyone else. This is a wiki-wide and very serious issue. If you aren't staff, get approval. I have a gripe with our canonicity standards. Or rather, not really our standards, but how we enforce them based on certain statements of canonicity...

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So unless there is good proof of approval, then it's kinda hard to say. Your blog still looks pretty good tho, don't get me wrong!

I believe the Manga is Semi-Official, so it’s not strictly canon. However, the Novelizations are considered separate, like an alternate scenario. I also got the Infinite stuff from The Truth of The Universe wave particle duality and the mathematical spaces.

 

[Kellex]

I believe the Manga is Semi-Official, so it’s not strictly canon.

How so?

However, the Novelizations are considered separate, like an alternate scenario.

Oh yeah, I kinda remember this one. I think they were considered non-canon tho.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

How so?

Itoi gave the Manga writer freedom to do whatever they want with the lore. It was a promotional adaptation.

Anyways, great to see the truth has Law Manipulation and Conceptual Ness.

 

[Kellex]

Anyways, great to see the truth has Law Manipulation and Conceptual Ness.

I hope that well for ya!

Also since this thread has become general discussion, you wanna just talk on the Earthbound Discussion thread instead? I made it just now lmao.

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[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

I hope that well for ya!

Also since this thread has become general discussion, you wanna just talk on the Earthbound Discussion thread instead? I made it just now lmao.

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Sweet