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Megami Tensei - The Expansive, Collective CRT Part II

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SMT doesn't apply to verse equalization since data makes up every facet of its cosmology, from the computer that Makoto uses in Persona 3, to the Axiom itself, which is beyond the concept of dimensions
 
Tyranno223 said:
Even characters from other verses?
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What? No. Other verses don’t have Observation.


Scottycj256 said:
SMT doesn't apply to verse equalization since data makes up every facet of its cosmology, from the computer that Makoto uses in Persona 3, to the Axiom itself, which is beyond the concept of dimensions
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SMT is Persona, no real distinction, and it’s not the Axiom, it’s the Atziluth.
 
Scottycj256 said:
verse equalization only applies to simulations beneath the current reality of a verse, to equalize it with verses that reside in the higher reality

verses like SAO and the Matrix apply, but not SMT
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No? I talk the verse equalisation of SBA i don't understand what you even try to tell lol.

Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Yes. Everything is a product of Observation, a power of the mind and soul, which is synonymous with information, which comprises concepts.
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Doesn't it just give proposely a weakness for other verse character then? Like a 1-A from other verse that have their transduality, how this work as they don't have their transduality based on collective disbelief


Just as they are able to grant powers to these Gods, the collective disbelief of these Gods can strip of them or their immortality, acausality, transduality, and omnipresence.
 
Regidian said:
Doesn't it just give proposely a weakness for other verse character then? Like a 1-A from other verse that have their transduality, how this work as they don't have their transduality based on collective disbelief
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Again, Observation is the same as soul, mind, info, and concept manipulation is, because that’s what the world is comprised of. It’s essentially just hitting someone with these. The justification isn’t the best, they gain their transduality from being Archetype, not due to disbelief.
 
Regidian said:
No? I talk the verse equalisation of SBA i don't understand what you even try to tell lol.


Doesn't it just give proposely a weakness for other verse character then? Like a 1-A from other verse that have their transduality, how this work as they don't have their transduality based on collective disbelief


Just as they are able to grant powers to these Gods, the collective disbelief of these Gods can strip of them or their immortality, acausality, transduality, and omnipresence.
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From what I can tell, assume observation works as other subjective reality abilities.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Again, Observation is the same as soul, mind, info, and concept manipulation is, because that’s what the world is comprised of. It’s essentially just hitting someone with these. The justification isn’t the best, they gain their transduality from being Archetype, not due to disbelief.
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Okay ty
 
BTW Ant, I'd suggest updating your user page on the wiki now that SMT and Persona are effectively the same series, namely on regards of your preference regarding them.
 
Eh. I dislike that SMT basically boils down to a bigoted and intolerant extremely slanted and petty hate- and slander-campaign against Christianity and western civilisation, whereas Persona has some interesting content regarding Jungian psychology, archetypes, the collective unconscious, and real world corruption, despite sharing some of these traits. So I think that keeping my preference list the way it is should be fine.
 
Antvasima said:
Eh. I dislike that SMT basically boils down to a bigoted and intolerant extremely slanted and petty hate- and slander-campaign against Christianity and western civilisation, whereas Persona has some interesting content regarding Jungian psychology, archetypes, the collective unconscious, and real world corruption, despite sharing some of these traits. So I think that keeping my preference list the way it is should be fine.
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I mean, SMT just seems like a play on Cristian philosophies, not some kind of hate program or whatever.
 
Tarang123 said:
I mean, SMT just seems like a play on Cristian philosophies, not some kind of hate program or whatever.
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Idk where you got the idea that its a slander campaign against it besides the fact that both Law and Chaos are dicks, and you kill god in II and IVA
 
Scottycj256 said:
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Idk where you got the idea that its a slander campaign against it besides the fact that both Law and Chaos are dicks, and you kill god in II and IVA
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I didn't call it a slander campaign, unless you were talking about Ant. Tho, I'm not exactly that surprised cause he said similar things about Shinza and some other verses that have plays on Cristian philosophy, which seems to just be a bit of an over-generalization.
 
Antvasima said:
Eh. I dislike that SMT basically boils down to a bigoted and intolerant extremely slanted and petty hate- and slander-campaign against Christianity and western civilisation
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Except that isn’t the case. SMT never illustrates the concepts of Law, and Chaos as bad, they’re just the logical extremes and the personification of them. If all you got from this series was simply ignorant, indiscriminate hate, despite the fact that the series also delves into the fundamentals of the human soul, the binary between Demons and Humans (quite literally stated to being the same in essence, an obvious reference to John Milton’s Paradise Lost, stating that Heaven and Hell are mere mental states), death and rebirth, and the overall core message of the series that individuality is a farce, I can’t say you were paying too much attention.

Especially since not every game even revolves around YHVH, most of them, in fact, don’t (Devil Survivor 2, Digital Devil Saga, Devil Summoner series & Raidou Duology). This is also coming from someone who really doesn’t like religion or the thought of an omnibenevolent Christian God, so, feel free to take my input as you wish.
 
Well, I have only personally played Persona, and found it kind of interesting. SMT is just an impression of what I know about the storylines, so said impression may be wrong.
 
I'm just going to drop by and place a "Play a real Shin Megami Tensei game" here.

Signed, someone who got out of church a few hours ago and does enjoy these games
 
Does mean that the individual pages of SMT & Persona should be deleted and replaced with Megami Tensei, but that’s only after we finish editing.
 
Tarang123 said:
I didn't call it a slander campaign, unless you were talking about Ant. Tho, I'm not exactly that surprised cause he said similar things about Shinza and some other verses that have plays on Cristian philosophy, which seems to just be a bit of an over-generalization.
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I was agreeing with you and responding to Ant's message that called it a slander campaign.
My bad.
 
So is Masakado and Endgame Canon Flynn supposed to be the strongest characters in mainline SMT besides the Azulith/Axiom
 
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