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Megami Tensei General Discussion Thread

i havent played metaphor yet, is it canon to megaten or are people just waffling about some off hand reference ?
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
i havent played metaphor yet, is it canon to megaten or are people just waffling about some off hand reference ?
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It's full of references and uses most of the same mechanics for the metaphysical stuff connected with the mind and archetypes, but nothing that goes out of its way 100% direct (I mean, technically there are some direct things, but it depends on how much someone considers something as a simple reference and not an actual connection).

I would wait for any direct interviews or comments about that, maybe when the guidebook gets released it could have something.
 
isnt catherine straight up canon to persona? or am i misremembering

didnt the MC appear in portable
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
isnt catherine straight up canon to persona? or am i misremembering

didnt the MC appear in portable
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Unless Vincent had some good money to travel out to Japan to have a drink, no. Catherine takes place in the US. Oh, but there are a lot of Nocturne, DDS, and P3/4 tracks on the jukebox in Catherine, which were all replaced by only Persona songs in Full-body, a sin really.
 
Demifiend said:
He is the weakest mc in mainline, that's a big L
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That's why I don't like this whole thing done after the game in canon

So much work to get TDE for him to just become a slave and lose to Nahobino.

At least he still has a w against God, which only the first protag doesn't have
 
Found this remnant of the old 2-B Persona days. Didn't even realise he had a profile tbh.
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Messiah (Persona)

Messiah is the ultimate Persona of Persona 3's protagonist, Makoto Yuki, created by fusing his initial Persona Orpheus, and Thanatos together. Tier: 2-B Name: Messiah Origin: Persona 3 Gender: Genderless, Varies with Manifestations Age: Unknown. At least Millions of Years Old (Older than...
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AnAverageUsername said:
Catherine has more concrete connection to megaten
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Wait, I thought when
you summon the demons they are actually Megaten demons (in that they are monsters that are solidified with pure magla and embody concepts that can be used to fight, which would qualify as demons considering it matches the requirements on their physiology page). Did I miss something because Magla is just Magnetite and Magatushi mixed into one energy as an in universe way to incorporate Understanding which is a staple cosmological feature of Megaten into the worldbuilding in a unique way. Also aren't the synthesis skills pretty much confirmation that it at least exists within the same Verse considering the way archetypes are implied to function? I'm namely thinking of Persona Master/Royal Dancer with it's Masquerade Charge which is too on the nose to just be a reference. I can buy TMS being localized entirely within the FE Verse but Metaphor is Megaten just due to demons existing and Dragons essentially being demons but being the product of human fear being solidified into conceptual (previously Non-Physical if the Red Scale Apocalypse Dragon fight is anything to go by) organic WOMDs by the Elda. Also the fact that "Humans" can just use magic without being consciously aware of their surroundings due to becoming mindless beasts has to imply that Understanding is being used and would explain why "Humans" are so powerful operating like mad deities that roam the land and terrorize the people of Euchronia.

DO NOT READ THAT SPOILER UNTIL YOU HAVE COMPLETED THE GAME, JUST A WARNING. I'm on team Metaphor 1-A though even if it doesn't make the most sense at first glance
 
PhilLemon02 said:
Wait, I thought when
you summon the demons they are actually Megaten demons (in that they are monsters that are solidified with pure magla and embody concepts that can be used to fight, which would qualify as demons considering it matches the requirements on their physiology page). Did I miss something because Magla is just Magnetite and Magatushi mixed into one energy as an in universe way to incorporate Understanding which is a staple cosmological feature of Megaten into the worldbuilding in a unique way. Also aren't the synthesis skills pretty much confirmation that it at least exists within the same Verse considering the way archetypes are implied to function? I'm namely thinking of Persona Master/Royal Dancer with it's Masquerade Charge which is too on the nose to just be a reference. I can buy TMS being localized entirely within the FE Verse but Metaphor is Megaten just due to demons existing and Dragons essentially being demons but being the product of human fear being solidified into conceptual (previously Non-Physical if the Red Scale Apocalypse Dragon fight is anything to go by) organic WOMDs by the Elda. Also the fact that "Humans" can just use magic without being consciously aware of their surroundings due to becoming mindless beasts has to imply that Understanding is being used and would explain why "Humans" are so powerful operating like mad deities that roam the land and terrorize the people of Euchronia.

DO NOT READ THAT SPOILER UNTIL YOU HAVE COMPLETED THE GAME, JUST A WARNING. I'm on team Metaphor 1-A though even if it doesn't make the most sense at first glance
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There's also the fact that summoner is stated to summon stuff from sea of souls
 
Is there a discussion about the cosmology of Shin Megami Tensei? I would like to know what's new and what you're planning (I have some things to help if it's on a discord server or if you want.. or right here).
 


Probably inaccurate to our standards, but maybe it'll be fun, helpful &/or interesting nonetheless.
 
What were they thinking putting Antarctica and the Sahara up in the list of countries available for Persona 5 X, because my country isn't a part of the list 💔
I'm sure the penguins in Antarctica are superb gacha gaming whales for Atlus.
 
Rules for SMT Supportes:)

Rule 1: No one is allowed to edit or create any more profiles for megami tensei because we just like it this way or else they will get blocked across the fandom network for infinity. Also, please don't attempt to add any more characters from the series such as Anubis, Sussano, Ares any any like these.

Rule 2: No CRTs for anything about SMT or their comments will get deleted and blocked too

Rule 3: You are banned to unlock profiles for SMT on All purpose thread or you will eventually get banned from the Fandom

Rule 4: PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO UPGRADE THE GREAT REASON based on this information

Rule 5: Never dare to put yourself as a supporter of the verse or your edit will get undoed by admins.

Rule 6: You are no longer going to create matchups for SMT anymore or else your thread will be deleted.

(Just joking)
 
Re5yh said:
Rules for SMT Supportes:)

Rule 1: No one is allowed to edit or create any more profiles for megami tensei because we just like it this way or else they will get blocked across the fandom network for infinity. Also, please don't attempt to add any more characters from the series such as Anubis, Sussano, Ares any any like these.

Rule 2: No CRTs for anything about SMT or their comments will get deleted and blocked too

Rule 3: You are banned to unlock profiles for SMT on All purpose thread or you will eventually get banned from the Fandom

Rule 4: PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO UPGRADE THE GREAT REASON based on this information

Rule 5: Never dare to put yourself as a supporter of the verse or your edit will get undoed by admins.

Rule 6: You are no longer going to create matchups for SMT anymore or else your thread will be deleted.

(Just joking)
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ha ha ha ha
 
Re5yh said:
Rules for SMT Supportes:)

Rule 1: No one is allowed to edit or create any more profiles for megami tensei because we just like it this way or else they will get blocked across the fandom network for infinity. Also, please don't attempt to add any more characters from the series such as Anubis, Sussano, Ares any any like these.

Rule 2: No CRTs for anything about SMT or their comments will get deleted and blocked too

Rule 3: You are banned to unlock profiles for SMT on All purpose thread or you will eventually get banned from the Fandom

Rule 4: PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO UPGRADE THE GREAT REASON based on this information

Rule 5: Never dare to put yourself as a supporter of the verse or your edit will get undoed by admins.

Rule 6: You are no longer going to create matchups for SMT anymore or else your thread will be deleted.

(Just joking)
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Joking? in my Megami Tensei Discussion Thread?

Mods, throw him into the TV.
 
Re5yh said:
Rules for SMT Supportes:)

Rule 1: No one is allowed to edit or create any more profiles for megami tensei because we just like it this way or else they will get blocked across the fandom network for infinity. Also, please don't attempt to add any more characters from the series such as Anubis, Sussano, Ares any any like these.

Rule 2: No CRTs for anything about SMT or their comments will get deleted and blocked too

Rule 3: You are banned to unlock profiles for SMT on All purpose thread or you will eventually get banned from the Fandom

Rule 4: PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO UPGRADE THE GREAT REASON based on this information

Rule 5: Never dare to put yourself as a supporter of the verse or your edit will get undoed by admins.

Rule 6: You are no longer going to create matchups for SMT anymore or else your thread will be deleted.

(Just joking)
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On one hand, the verse is so neglected that it's monumentally outdated and effectively doesn't exist, but on the other, I don't know what people expect when they try to single-handedly revise a relatively niche verse without trying to consult the supporters and then don't get any traction on their CRTs.
 
Lukewoesal007 said:
On one hand, the verse is so neglected that it's monumentally outdated and effectively doesn't exist, but on the other, I don't know what people expect when they try to single-handedly revise a relatively niche verse without trying to consult the supporters and then don't get any traction on their CRTs.
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i think its also how large it is, theres tons of even nicher verses that get CRT's passed and generally have very active profiles.
SMT or Megaten is just really chunky and everything apparently effects everything else
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
i think its also how large it is, theres tons of even nicher verses that get CRT's passed and generally have very active profiles.
SMT or Megaten is just really chunky and everything apparently effects everything else
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I'd love for the lower scale feats to get some attention. I mean, it feels like there should be some. We have Tier 8 Pixie, & there's various feats lower than Tier 2.

Also, right now I can see 2 @Shadowbokunohero posts with different avatars in this thread, lol.
 
Imaginym said:
I'd love for the lower scale feats to get some attention. I mean, it feels like there should be some.
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agreed, raidou also has a bunch of tier 7 feats apparently and even persona arena has too.
i think its one of those things where the lore scaling or whatever makes people or the community lazy.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
agreed, raidou also has a bunch of tier 7 feats apparently and even persona arena has too.
i think its one of those things where the lore scaling or whatever makes people or the community lazy.
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It's not Raidou, but I think I remember there being some Japanese SMT Card Game feat that's supposedly Tier 7 or something, based around a Fusion Spell of something Fire & Earth, IIRC.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
i think its also how large it is, theres tons of even nicher verses that get CRT's passed and generally have very active profiles.
SMT or Megaten is just really chunky and everything apparently effects everything else
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All because Ultima just hates scans and references?
 
from what i remember this was used in the Raidou vs constantine G1 blog, but theres a jack frost calc for freezing the holy city that was around 33 kilotons
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
agreed, raidou also has a bunch of tier 7 feats apparently and even persona arena has too.
i think its one of those things where the lore scaling or whatever makes people or the community lazy.
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Lukewoesal007 said:
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This website indicates that the energy released by an eruption of Mt. Kilauea is 1.8 * 10^17 joules, which is 7-B
 
Lukewoesal007 said:
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Do we use devil children for scaling?
 
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