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The main issue I have with it is Nyx causing humanity to create the CU which conflicts with other pieces of info given. Also Nyx being an alien is a very weird way to differentiate her from everything else born from the mind
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Megami Tensei General Discussion Thread
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Achieval of Taiji on a personal level, when the CU is a polarity of the mind, of which reality is an expression of.
Also can affect the "inner universe" which is the term used for Monado Mandala in P4A
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Eh, the Demifiend we fight is not the Demifiend of our world. In the game, it's implied by Haunts he existed but that's about it.
All we know is that Lucifer was the one to beat YHVH and he's not mentioned or implied to have had help.
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Where is this stated?
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How does that imply that’s a different Demi-fiend???
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Just seems like it's saying the Nahobino and the Demi-fiend are just two contrasting fates.
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Oh that, yeah that's just from playing the story line. It's mentioned the fiends are from a different world.
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But how is it a different Demi-Fiend
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They're from a different world. The Lucifer we fused is our Lucifer. Hence it cannot be the same Demi-fiend.
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You aren't answering the question. The Fiends and Demi-Fiend can travel from III to V, why does that mean they’re different people? You keep saying they’re different and everything you say to substantiate it has no correlation.
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The Lucifer from the demon haunts was the Lucifer of our world. The Demi-fiend is from another world. Ergo, the Lucifer who made the Demi-fiend would be from another world.
Therefore, there is two Lucifers. Our Lucifer also claims to have made a Demi-fiend. Thus, there is probably another one in this world.
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The very own evidence that you state is arguing against you. Lucifer verbatim states “two youths fate who I espied”. This just shuts down your argument entirely, never mind the fact that the Fiends outright reference fighting Demi-Fiend before in their world. Nothing suggests that it can’t still be the same Fiends from III, just traveled to V.
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Wut? The latter half is what I am indeed saying. III is another world and they travelled to V's world.
Lucifer in this game is not from that world. He is from this world specifically (Samael talks about him as a relatively young demon compared to him for instance). Thus he cannot be the same Lucifer that made the Demi-fiend.
Of course he could alternatively be talking of the events of III from awareness of another manifesation of himself's actions in another world I suppose.
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Okay, that’s fine, that doesn’t mean that this is a different Demi-Fiend. It’s still the same one from III.
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Yes? I never said he wasn't. I believe we had a misunderstanding.
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Oh, thought you said there were multiple Demi-Fiends. My apologies, then.
Though, do you mind showing where it’s stated Lucifer is young compared to Samael?
Though, do you mind showing where it’s stated Lucifer is young compared to Samael?
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Ah, I miremembered the quotes. Samael didn't say Lucifer was younger, he said he began his own schemes with the Qadištu before Lucifer's own plot began.
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V =/= III Lucifer. The latter made the Demi-Fiend.
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Thank you very much for this explanation.
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Why not
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Why shouldn’t they be? Persona and SMT are in the same universe.
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The modern versions are harder to say, as they have Shadows instead of Demons.
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Still connected, because there's multiple references to P1 and P2 in 3 alone.
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So? Why does that disprove anything?
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Its stated on multiple occassions that personas are literally containers for demons from SMT
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sames rules would continue to apply, duh
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Sources?
Because Shadows come from Nyx while Demons come from the Expanse.
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So? This doesn’t change anything.
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To be honest, I’m certain you’re just Uuber’s alt.
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The Expanse came from the collective unconscious, which Nyx indirectly was the cause of, your point?
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The link won't load for me.
A regular person doesn't seem like a reliable source.
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