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Medaka vs Yogiri Takatou

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Gohanblanco217 said:
To be honest that's not how it works, bloodhusted doesn't just mean you are willing to kill it also mean that you are going to use the best move to kill your opponent even if it's out of character for example goku in character won't nuke the entire Universe in character but in bloodhusted mode he will
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there's a difference between using intent to kill vs someone who just straights up uses an ability that they dont even if they are going for their best moves that has never shown on evidence that they would do I.E medaka using AF. That being said if u are willing to change the OP from bloodlusted to "People controlling the characters abilities and what they use" thats fine by me bcuz this is not what bloodlusted even means in this case.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
I believe we had a thread about this, where the character isnt gonna suddenly use the best move out of the entire arsenal when bloodlusted

Though, its still gonna be an attack that best ends someone as quick as possible, which I believe is gonna be AF
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Yeah we did. The correct term would be Victorylusted, for what people normally say bloodlusted is, which really only means they go for the kill faster and not that they immediately use their best win condition.
 
Maxnumb231 said:
there's a difference between using intent to kill vs someone who just straights up uses an ability that they dont even if they are going for their best moves that has never shown on evidence that they would do I.E medaka using AF. That being said if u are willing to change the OP from bloodlusted to "People controlling the characters abilities and what they use" thats fine by me bcuz this is not what bloodlusted even means in this case.
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Well considering she has knowledge about Yogiri abilities then she would probably lead with AF plus she would be able to use his abilities as well
 
I’m looking at the reasoning. Apparently the reasoning is that he killed certain people, but it doesn’t really explain how the feats themselves are immeasurable.
 
ElixirBlue said:
I’m looking at the reasoning. Apparently the reasoning is that he killed certain people, but it doesn’t really explain how the feat itself is immeasurable.
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" Its says on his profile "Killed the HRE's avatar who traveled through time to escape from Yogiri's power."
 
Odd, because we don’t give immeasurable speed to Base sonic and tails (and Zonic) for reacting to a character who exists beyond space and time...
 
Sure, but I’m confused how that gives immeasurable speed. Super Sonic being immeasurable for reacting faster than Solaris makes sense to me, as Solaris exists at every point in time at once, the Past, the Present and the Future.

Reacting faster than a being who exists at all points in time all at once, makes sense to me to grant immeasurable speed.

But again, I don’t want to clutter the thread with my ignorance.
 
Gohanblanco217 said:
OH, but isn't All fiction a 4D ability? If yes then I don't see why she can't copy his 4D death hax and Fate hax
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It isn't a 4-D ability. Medaka can't copy and gets stomped.
Firephoenixearl said:
Nah, ID would still be 4D, medaka is not fully 4D
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What does "not fully 4-D" even mean? It's 4-D or it isn't. It can be higher-scale 4-D I guess or only 4-D with certain abilities, but nothing Medaka has is 4-D.
 
Agnaa smh getting caught up in wording like that. You know what the "4D" means for all fiction I explained that.

But I guess a better wording on my side in that sentence there would be "not truly 4D". That work?
 
It's an inaccurate misnomer to even call it something like "not truly 4-D".

It's 3-D that needs high-godly regen to regen from. Using the word "4-D" near it, especially in a thread like this where it's only brought up irt whether The End can copy 4-D abilities, is grossly misleading, and is the source of almost 100 posts of misunderstanding.
 
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Agnaa said:
It's an inaccurate misnomer to even call it something like "not truly 4-D".

It's 3-D that needs high-godly regen to regen from. Using the word "4-D" near it, especially in a thread like this where it's only brought up irt whether The End can copy 4-D abilities, is grossly misleading, and is the source of almost 100 posts of misunderstanding.
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Ok but I even said "no she can't".
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Ok but I even said "no she can't".
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Oh my bad, I thought your "nah" was to ID destroying timelines, not to Medaka copying.

On top of that you argued that Medaka would win/incon. The thread started off with people saying that Yogiri would stomp with reasoning, people only started disagreeing with that when they argued that Medaka would have the same fatehax abilities via The End. I didn't see you arguing against those reasons, so it seemed like you accepted that Medaka could copy when arguing for Medaka's win/incon.

So sorry for the prolonged misunderstanding.
 
I vote Yogiri stomps, because I don't think she has a chance of even copying Instant Death with The End, and against Instant Death everything she has is worthless.
 
The thing is, you'd need to know not only about the 'human Yogiri' but also about his 'true form' to be able to copy his Instant Death (which is not even possible for a character of her level, unless the battle conditions state so), and we all know what happened to every person that came into contact with his true form (when antagonizing him); they lost their mind and/or died permanently. I mean, even a High-tier God ran away as fast as she could (without paying any attention to her image as a higher order being) just by hearing that the God she wanted to punish for conspiring against her daughters had come into contact with Yogiri (meaning, so long as XYZ comes into contact with him, every other person that comes into contact with XYZ after that point could become an 'active target'). They all emphasize how one should never try to know of his existence (let alone meet him), as you might get 'marked' by his true form (that is, singling you out of the countless people/existences). Knowing about Yogiri's existence also means that there's always a 'possibility' of you 'making an attempt' (consciously or subconsciously) to harm him in some manner, which never ends well. Normally, his true form is beyond everyone's perception and reach in the multiverse (as if it is simply observing everything from a place that is out of others' comprehension), so you're safe if you don't have anything to do with the 'human Yogiri'.

I think you 'at least' need something that would work on those who exist completely beyond the causality system before you try anything against him.

Putting all that aside:
It has been clearly shown in ISSTH that when we're talking about cosmology, 無数 is better translated as "infinite" (无数 is the Chinese version of 無数, and as they are one and the same, they naturally have the same meaning and usage as well). Something like 途方もない数 (as in Maou Gakuin) or 数え切れない would be used to mean 'countless' in such a case. Therefore, Instant Death should be a 2-A verse at least.
 
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