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Medaka vs Gilgamesh: The Return

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Franck for the chips. I'm not sure if they are known in USA, but they are big in Central and East Europe. As for the beer, I usually go with Czech beer (Staropramen) or Croatian beers. Not too picky on the beer part.
 
Aizenishere said:
I'll also be voting inconclusive since I feel this is where it's going.
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What reasons? There is still no solid argument vs Bookmaker as he doesn't have resistance to type 2 sealing.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Aizenishere said:
I'll also be voting inconclusive since I feel this is where it's going.
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What reasons? There is still no solid argument vs Bookmaker as he doesn't have resistance to type 2 sealing.
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Yes there is Fire. Gil resists sealing and powernull. Ajimu is rated Unknown and is banned from vs matches. I'm going to ban all arguments involving her because of that. All arguments using her should be banned. Ajimu was sealed by Bookmaker because plot. She was beaten because plot.
 
ApiesDeathbyLazors said:
Yes there is Fire. Gil resists sealing and powernull. Ajimu is rated Unknown and is banned from vs matches. I'm going to ban all arguments involving her because of that. All arguments using her should be banned. Ajimu was sealed by Bookmaker because plot. She was beaten because plot.
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Gil doesn't resist type 2 sealing. I don't see it, anywhere.

My poor ajimu doe. How could u speak so harshly of her?

Also Bookmaker working on Ajimu wasn't plot. Kumagawa doesn't have that advantage sadly. Also Ajimu stated herself that Bookmaker was the only skill in history to affect her.
 
Reguardless, she's Unknown, so you can't just asign the tier you think suits her best. Plus, again, she's banned in vs matches so any arguments using her shouldn't be viable.
 
if you have two 's outside text, it italicizes. 3 for bold.


I edited my comment so you can look at the source code.
 
ApiesDeathbyLazors said:
Reguardless, she's Unknown, so you cat just asign the tier you think suits her best. Plus, again, she's banned in vs matches so any arguments using her shouldn't be viable.
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I love how u only answered my joke about Ajimu. xD

I used Ajimu to power scale.

All Fiction < Ajimu < Bookmaker

And Ajimu brushed off a style which could hold off Iihiko.

Therefore Bookmaker > All Fiction (a universal conceptual bullshit).

Point is. Gil has no resistance to type 2 sealing. Let alone something that's MUCH more powerful than universal and bypassed defensive shit.

Medaka takes this...again.
 
Well Fire you have fun with that, I'm gonna count votes.

Gilgamesh - 0

Medaka - 1

Inconclusive - 4

Potentionally a different result means this was worth it! Kumagawa, you're next.
 
Im not even using her doe.

Bookmaker is type 2 sealing.

Gil doesn't resist that.

Bookmaker 1 shots.

That's my argument without including ajimu.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
I love how u only answered my joke about Ajimu. xD

I used Ajimu to power scale.

All Fiction < Ajimu < Bookmaker

And Ajimu brushed off a style which could hold off Iihiko.
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Then what's this?
 
John985 said:
Then what's this?
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Power scaling Bookmaker maybe?

Ajimu can be a unknown for all that argument cares. It's just A<B<C logic via feats. Im not including her in the debate. Just using her feat to scale Bookmaker off of All Fiction.

Also again my argument is all on Bookmaker. Gil doesn't resist type 2 sealing. So bookmaker seals.
 
ThisIsMySwagPack said:
Sealing type 2 sounds pretty much like power nullification.
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Not the same thing doe.

Time Frame erasure and All Fiction time erasure sound the same , they are not the same as they work differently.

So yeah sealing type 2 is a thing. That's why it has listed both sealing and power null.

Seal is still the MVP here.
 
ThisIsMySwagPack said:
So it's a combination of sealing and power nullification, both of which are resisted.
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N-no.

It's both a type 2 seal.

Gil doesn't have resistance to type 2 seal. Gets 1 shotted by Bookmaker. We went over this in the Medaka vs 682 thread (which ended pretty badly), then after the thread. Seal Bookmaker was accepted.

I actually feel like Gil had a better chance before than she does now. xD
 
N-no.

It's both a type 2 seal.

Gil doesn't have resistance to type 2 seal. Gets 1 shotted by Bookmaker. We went over this in the Medaka vs 682 thread (which ended pretty badly), then after the thread. Seal Bookmaker was accepted.

I actually feel like Gil had a better chance before than she does now. xD

Gil's a guy. And resistance to sealing is resistance to sealing. Otherwise, it would be required for people to specify what type of sealing a person is resistant to on their profile.
 
The Wright Way said:
Gil's a guy. And resistance to sealing is resistance to sealing. Otherwise, it would be required for people to specify what type of sealing a person is resistant to on their profile.
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Yeah typo.

And no. Resistance to type 1 sealing doesn't = resistance to type 2 sealing. Idk who told you that.

Type 1 seal is a physical seal.

Type 2 seal is a seal of what makes you you. If you have a hax that gets u out of seal 1. Let's say All Fiction. All Fiction will get u out of seal 1, cus yeah it can just go back to how it was. Doesn't mean All Fiction will work on type 2 seal. As All Fiction won't be able to do shit in that case. That is an example with hax, the same is with resistance.

Superpowers wiki lists causality manipulation as the basis behind all super powers. So resistance to causality manipulation = resistance to all super powers? And even check the amount of stuff Causality manipulation can do. Resistance doesn't always = all types.

Point is "no". Resistance to type 1 sealing doesn't = resistance to type 2 sealing. If you can prove that he's resistant to type 2 without it being an outlier of some sorts then yes it will resist (provided the resistance is strong enough ofc).

He has only shown resistance to spatial seal. Not a type 2 seal, so Bookmaker still 1 shots.
 
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I meant type 2 sealing sounds like sealing + power null.
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Power Null = prevents u from activating your abilities or just outright nullifies their effects making the abilities useless even if u were to use them

Sealing = basically your parents closing you in a room when u did mistakes as a kid

Sealing type 2 = Seals your skills somewhere inside you preventing you from being able to reach the abilities in the first place.

Now on to explaiing things:

Sealing type 1 is not even similar to sealing type 2. Nothing connecting the 2 besides the name. They work completely differently and resistance to one doesn't lead the resistance to the other (unless shown).

Power Null is similar to sealing type 2, in the sense that both affect your powers, but sealing type 2 is better overall. Sealing type 2 can seal your powers, skills, concepts that make you etc etc. And the main difference is in the way they acomplish things. Power Null just outright negates your skills, T2 Seal seals your skills somewhere (be that physical or metaphysical).

Back to the point Power Null is similar to T2S though they work differently. There are several roads to the same city, though they get u to 2 different edges of the same city and take different roads. As for T1S, it's not even similar to T2S.

And then again, you can't just fusion resistances to create new ones. Just cus he can resist himself getting sealed, doesn't mean his stats have the same properties cus "fusion of resistances".
 
Earl, that's not really right. Sealings 1 and 2 work on the same underlying principle of relocating something forcibly and then barring access, only differing on what the object of the seal is. For type 1 its the entire individual, for type 2 its parts of them. If Gil is able to resist having his entire being that includes all that he is sealed, there's no reason that she can seal parts of him individually. Also, power null is more diverse than that. A reactive counterspell that dissipates an attack? Power null. White face not letting you activate your abilities, despite you technically still having them? Power null. Khorne just removing intrinsic aspects of your being to make fights fairer? Power null. Point is, the sealings have more in common than you think, and power null is more than what you just described.
 
Also why can't he just dodge bookmaker? Its a sharp screw. I don't see him just standing there and being like "huh I wonder what this does". Also, from what I've seen, doesn't it need to do some sort of damage for the ability to activate? 5-C AP isn't getting past 5-A dura, unless bookmaker screws negate durability in some way.
 
I also wouldn't source superpower wiki for how powers work, they do things differently than we do. Lots of powers operate beyond causality, causality manip is far from some supreme power. However, if you were to resist causality manip in the form of acausality, you do end up resisting a lot of other stuff like time manip and fate manip, but that's due to being acausal.
 
If Bookmarker needs contact, you can forget about it. Gil already knows what it does, and if it's able to affect him, he's dodging that.
 
The screws can actually be spawned directly in someone. Now I know this'll sound whack af but Medakas listed weakness is Naive and Overly trusting.. against A clairvoyant who has A.U.O Cast Off!

Seriously though Medaka I don't think would start with that unless she also has clairvoyance because well she just ain't that type of person.
 
If the screws can just be summoned inside people to basically telefrag them, then yeah that would work if Gil didn't resist. She'd get around to doing that eventually, what with being killed and resurrecting over and over, but if Gil resists the sealing stuff regardless then I guess it doesn't help.
 
Lots of stuff between my last comment and then

But they all seem to have adequately explained how Gil resists book maker, so I'll turn my attention to the other stuff.

4. Well they still have a biological body which means she can make the body incapable of doing anything. They still have blood and shit.

No, they have what appears to be blood. It's just a magic shell.

5. Again, lack of brain doesn't help. It just makes the body obey by sending electric signals. It has nothing to do with the mind. The mind manipulation is the other part of the skill, that's not what we'r talking about. He doesn't resist electric signals.

Except the magic shell is not controlled by electrical signals in the first place, so she can't control him like that.

6. Not Death Manip, not Causality, no spatial manip (i mean partly, but he can't resist it as medaka hax's herself in a way). She transfers the damage she would have taken to you. He ain't resisting Medaka transfering dmg. So no.

They take the damage you would have taken with no other special mechanics? Ok, that's reality warping. Resisted.

7. Incap via Scar Dead. Medaka exists Gil gets incaped

Gil would need to have had some wound in the past that incapacitates him for that to work. And that is assuming he doesn't just resist it. Because again, something that causes past physical and mental wounds to be reopened? Reality warping, causality manipulation, time paradox, matter manipulation, time manipulation, mind manipulation. All resisted.
 
ApiesDeathbyLazors said:
All Fiction is the only form of EE in Medaka Box, and it can't erase it's own effects. It's never displayed to work if the user no longer exsists either.
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technically no, there are others with Existence Erasure
 
I will wait to give my reasons, so don't count my vote yet, but I do think Medaka wins.

One thing I will say tho is that Enkidu won't work, and neither will any of the weapons that have been destroyed before, due to Scar Dead
 
It'd be inconvenient due to medaka's AF ressurection, not an outright win for Gil unless he has something to negate that.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
I will wait to give my reasons, so don't count my vote yet, but I do think Medaka wins.
One thing I will say tho is that Enkidu won't work, and neither will any of the weapons that have been destroyed before, due to Scar Dead
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The weapons likely would resist too though. Enkidu at least definitely would.
 
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