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Medaka Kurokami vs Aoi Hayanose (1-2-0)

So, Kumagawa's pretty genre savvy when it comes to Shonen manga and if he's aware of that particular requirement of her dying, I honestly think he could pull if off. Could he pull it off before she kills him? I dunno, but I'm sure he would work something out eventually.
 
Aoi isn’t from a Shounen manga. She’s from a light novel.

The plot manipulation protection is passive, what isn’t are some other applications. You’re getting confused, that isn’t an application of her sage ability that allows her to warp events to her beliefs that’s her ability as a high-destiny value existence the only difference is that she’s one of the only characters in the series who knows about it because she can see the script of the world.

Again, keep in mind that this only protects her from death but Kumagawa would likely be unable to figure this out before she decides that attacking in 0 time (since his reactions would likely stay the same unless there was mention of this as well) is impossible and another loop of event warping would start.

If Kumagawa gets killed however he’ll likely fall into an infinite loop erasing the event of his death and Aoi doing so to his revival.
 
Incap via what, the screws? The moment the battle starts [A Cruel World That Only Rewards Effort] is in effect since that’s basically standard part of her belief system so the results of the cheat abilities would be invalidated only allowing him to fight in a non-cheat manner.
 
The thing is, 'being genre savvy' would not be of any help here, especially when the other party has the meta-ability to view everything as a script, allowing her to know even those things about someone that even they are unaware of. She is also able to analyze the best way to kill her target from the information provided by the script, unlike Kumagawa who is reliant on vague claims that he can pull it off just because he is genre savvy. And even if we 'assume' that he will 'somehow' notice the requirement for her death (which is honestly nothing more than a blatant assumption in his favor), how would he pull it off in the first place when he is in a battle against her? She isn't going to play console games while he makes preparations, right? Also, keep in mind that she can steal his powers and use them against him.

Let's summarize the things in Aoi's favor:
1) Plot Manipulation that passively protects her
2) Information Analysis of extremely broken level
3) Causality Manipulation that lets her realize the things that she believes
4) Power Mimicry that allows her to copy the powers of the opponent
5) Power Absorption, as she can also steal the powers of the opponent

It's quite apparent that Kumagawa would be in a fairly disadvantageous situation against her.
 
Gemstic said:
Let's summarize the things in Aoi's favor:
1) Plot Manipulation that passively protects her
2) Information Analysis of extremely broken level
3) Causality Manipulation that lets her realize the things that she believes
4) Power Mimicry that allows her to copy the powers of the opponent
5) Power Absorption, as she can also steal the powers of the opponent

It's quite apparent that Kumagawa would be in a fairly disadvantageous situation against her.
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Power Mimicry and Power Absorption probably shouldn't work on Kumagawa cuz' he resists mental abilities.
 
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While All Fiction does resist absorption to a degree (Kumagawa can't lose All Fiction permeantly), Medaka copies powers all day long including All Fiction so I dunno what your getting at. Kumagawa resists mental attack against himself, but that shouldn't come into play here.
 
Ig the only thing saving this from being a stomp is Kumagawa’s physical advantage? I’m not sure how good of a straight physical fighter he is, otherwise this is a stomp.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
Ig the only thing saving this from being a stomp is Kumagawa’s physical advantage? I’m not sure how good of a straight physical fighter he is, otherwise this is a stomp.
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He's 8-B physically, and she's 10-A physically, so he'd 1 shot if he could hit her, but her passive plot manipulation kinda negs that :/
 
I know, he’d need to incapacitate her before she kills him with Hax and puts him on death loop. If it’s very unlikely but still possible then that’d be a decisive match but not a stomp ig.
 
If Aoi's plot hax is passive and so insane would that simply make her always stronger on the needs in a one on one fight and therefore a hax stomp which may lead to an AP stomp and speed blitz here?
 
Pretty sure we would need feats of it giving her stat boosts before assuming it can.

Also, I'm really starting to feel like Medaka would be the better opponent for Aoi.
 
Jasonsith said:
If Aoi's plot hax is passive and so insane would that simply make her always stronger on the needs in a one on one fight and therefore a hax stomp which may lead to an AP stomp and speed blitz here?
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Plot Hax doesn't make her stronger, but her Balance of Power makes people weaker than her physically, and she starts with that.
 
Idk, it's just, he doesn't seem to be able to do anything about that plot manipulation. It really feels like a stomp.
 
Balance of power doesn’t make foes weaker, it only applies if they gained that power without really working for it, just like most generic Isekai protags. Does this apply here?
 
PhantomØ4 said:
Balance of power doesn’t make foes weaker, it only applies if they gained that power without really working for it, just like most generic Isekai protags. Does this apply here?
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That's arguable Phamtom.

In many ways, it's shown to not work like that.
 
YungManzi said:
It might be worse, since Medaka doesn't use her OP hax in-character.

Though I suppose the argument would boil down to Supernatural Luck vs. Plot and Fate.
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Honestly, I think that's why Medaka would be a better opponent. She isn't gonna try to hax here way into winning, like Kumagawa, she's gonna talk to Aoi first and foremost. Also, why does Medaka not have Social Influencing? That's like her main gimmick.
 
Doesn't Medaka also have actual h2h combat skill? Having more hax as a response to a character who's gimmick is hax bad is kinda weird.
 
  • Preaching To The Lesser Mortals (上から目線性善説, Uekara Mesen Seizensetsu): Medaka's most well known trump card, she preaches to "pitiful" people who need help. She says out loud her views about them, saying they can be saved and that something horrible must have happened in their pasts for them to have fallen so far in life.
Medaka's going to try to "convert" Aoi back into being a good person. Assuming that doesn't work at first she my try to subdue Aoi physically and then talk to her. She's also got
  • Strict Girl/Cute Girl Switch (ツンデレ, Tsundere): Medaka's second trump card, she changes abruptly from her usual personality to a softer attitude, adapting her expression and mannerisms to appear more cute.
and
  • Over Flowing Love (行き過ぎ愛情表現, Ikisugi Aijouhyougen): Medaka's third trump card; she used it so much in class that almost everyone lost their first kiss to her until Zenkichi put a stop to it when they started elementary school. When using this ability, Medaka first makes her face look cute and then gives a kiss to the other person showing that they are loved.
She also has
  • The End (完成, Ji Endo): Medaka is capable of learning Abnormalities and completely mastering them, to the extent that she can use them to one hundred and twenty percent of their capability, becoming more skilled with them than even their original owners. This ability allows her to learn any skill quickly, from simple skills like baseball to the impossible feats performed by the members of the Thirteen Party.
But I'm unsure how that would interact with Aoi's abilities.
 
It should be noted, by the middle of the series Medaka has basically convinced her entire school to root for her, including people that normally hate her.
 
I’m pretty sure The End would count as a cheat ability, it’s like 120% the definition of not working hard for your power.

The other stuff I’m not sure how viable they are as Aoi isn’t exactly a bad person, she’s more so along the lines of lawful neutral and I have no idea what overflowing love would even do in a match besides Yuri, I guess it’d be a win condition if the opponent ceases to fight because of it?
 
I mean, Medaka already just assumes everyone is good at heart and just going through a rough patch. I guess the context of the match would be important here.
 
SBA is just both opponents being teleported into the battlefield and fight for no reason in specific iirc. Anyways, Aoi still doesn’t fit any of the descriptions of preaching to lesser mortals, I don’t even think going from lawful neutral to just good would make any difference in a fight. Medaka would have no reason to start preaching in the first place.

Does the kiss thing force the opponent to stop fighting back?
 
It's just Medaka kissing someone. Nothing supernatural about it. There's also this
  • Intimidator/Alpha Presence (動物避け, Doubutsuyoke): Medaka's raw power, which humans perceive as either as a supernatural charisma and eloquence which inspires them to follow her, or as an overwhelming fearful aura that forces them to obey her. This raw power when sensed by animals inspires only pure terror. Thus, although Medaka adores animals, they in turn are frightened to death of her and will avoid contact at all costs.
 
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