Medaka Kurokami vs Aoi Hayanose (1-2-0)

[Maruishimaryishi]

1. Both In-Character (both playing mind games or something or i don't even know) and Medaka has knowledge on Aoi.

2. Speed Equalized.

3. Both were 10 meters away.

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The End - 1 (Jasonsith)​

[Just World] A Cruel World That Only Rewards Effort - 2 (Delta333, StarKingDemonLord)​

"ZA WARUDO! or Metafiction" - 0​

 

[Maruishimaryishi]

Bump

 

[00potato]

Aoi via being from an obscure light novel.

 

[Maruishimaryishi]

Aoi via being from an obscure light novel.

Vote added.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

I would hope that's a joke.

 

[Zazzzzi]

idk

 

[Axxtentacle]

he... counted the vote

 

[Star_King_Demon_Lord]

Kumagawa nullifies Aoi's powers and then has the choice to either seal or erase her.

 

[Zazzzzi]

aoi can't kill kuma and i don't think she wi'll be able to null all fiction despite his plot manipulation

 

[Zazzzzi]

so kuma should win this fight

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Does she have feats of nulling powers with resistance to power null?

 

[Zazzzzi]

Does she have feats of nulling powers with resistance to power null?

no she doesn't have any feats of nulling powers with resistance to power null

 

[Star_King_Demon_Lord]

Does she have feats of nulling powers with resistance to power null?

She doesn't resist power nullification. She will most likely either get sealed or erased.

 

[Maruishimaryishi]

Bump

 

[manu_zarri]

definitely watching

 

[Jasonsith]

Kumar wins if not stomps FRA

 

[Maruishimaryishi]

Kumar wins if not stomps FRA

Vote added.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Alright, the fact that potato's "vote" is still being counted shows this clearly isn't a serious match and means we should move this to Fun and Games.

 

[PhantomØ4]

New Forum bad for seeing threads of verses in interested in.
Anyways...

How did the power erasure that kumagawa resisted work? Aoi’s power null is just an application of casuality manipulation, something that Kumagawa does not seem to resist.

What can Kumagawa do agaisnt her just being like “If he can do it so can I” and power copying him?

How does Kumagawa deal with her plot manipulation? Which by the way isn’t strictly limited to defense since her fate manipulation comes from a weird interaction that destiny value has with the plot.

Most of these votes are just FRA spam without anyone even arguing for Aoi.

 

[YungManzi]

"What can Kumagawa do against her just being like “If he can do it so can I” and power copying him?"

Yeah, you can't even really argue that she can't because she couldn't see herself as being superior to him, like Earl argued in that Ikki thread.

Kumagawa's whole thing is being a loser who's perpetually unconfident in his own abilities.

Edit:

So her copying him is as simple as "If a failure like you can do such things, then obviously I can too."

 

[YungManzi]

She just does this

.http://zjcdn.*********.org/store/manga/30563/020.0/compressed/e017.jpg

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

How did the power erasure that Kumagawa resisted work?

• IIRC it's based on another Minus ability resisting All Fiction. Minus abilities are essentially the same power system so All Fiction should have similar resistances.
• So All Fiction resists it's own erasure powers

What can Kumagawa do against her just being like “If he can do it so can I” and power copying him?

• Honestly, I'm not sure cause Medaka also claims to have copied All Fiction, though she never uses it

How does Kumagawa deal with her plot manipulation?

• Dunno. We no longer count The Hero as a thing anymore and I can't remember if he resisted it anyway

Also, finally some actual discussion

 

[PhantomØ4]

Well then, I’m not sure how it would work if she doesn’t target all fiction but the “inexplicable” events that all fiction itself would cause.

I see, then she’d probably copy his abilities then.

Then I don’t see how Kumagawa could put kill her then, AF offensively would seem pretty useless in this case since the plot would protect her. I don’t know if he has anything that would Incap her.

It would cause an interesting loop if Kumagawa kept erasing the event of his death and Aoi did the same but with the event of his return.

 

[Star_King_Demon_Lord]

Are power nullification and power mimicry mental abilities? Cuz’ if it is, Kumagawa resists it due to resisting mental abilities.

 

[PhantomØ4]

No? I literally said it was Causuality manipulation, she targets the event that should happen because of the ability.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

What is Aoi's opening move? Kumagawa usually opens with screw blitz, which would power null her and reduce her will to nothing. He can do this instantly by erasing the time it takes him to do it.

 

[YungManzi]

Well she starts with that causality manipulation.

And her Plot and Fate stuff is passive.

 

[PhantomØ4]

Yeah, her plot manipulation is passive so that move won’t work.

 

[Star_King_Demon_Lord]

Does her plot manipulation make it so Kumagawa can’t use All Fiction?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

If its about EE, yes

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Kumagawa doesn't EE people. He erases time to make his attacks basically instant.

 

[Axxtentacle]

"He can also make his time zero so that his movements become virtually instantaneous, granting him Pseudo-Teleportation and Pseudo-Time Stop "

 

[Axxtentacle]

He doesn't "Erase time" by the description, he just sets it to 0, making what he does instant

 

[Maruishimaryishi]

Alright, the fact that potato's "vote" is still being counted shows this clearly isn't a serious match and means we should move this to Fun and Games.

Sorry, I'll remove the vote.

 

[Delta333]

Aoi wins via passive plot manip

 

[Jasonsith]

Yeah, her plot manipulation is passive so that move won’t work.

Scans that say her plot manipulation is passive? Profile says Aoi can look down to the date or script and change to whatever she actively believes or believes not - what she believes will come true and what she believes as unrealizable will not happen.

And the scan merely says "Aoi can think if he can do this Aoi herself can do that too" and overpowers the opponent.

This may also imply Aoi outthink her opponent in that scenario.

 

[YungManzi]

Scans that say her plot manipulation is passive? Profile says Aoi can look down to the date or script and change to whatever she actively believes or believes not - what she believes will come true and what she believes as unrealizable will not happen.

Those are completely different abilities. Her looking at Meta script is different from her Causality Manipulation, and that's different from her passive Plot.

Her Plot Manipulation says. (Aoi can manipulate the plot of destiny; like a movie protagonist she is protected from death as long as her death is "not interesting")

 

[Jasonsith]

Those are completely different abilities. Her looking at Meta script is different from her Causality Manipulation, and that's different from her passive Plot.

Her Plot Manipulation says. (Aoi can manipulate the plot of destiny; like a movie protagonist she is protected from death as long as her death is "not interesting")

That still means she has to think that the incoming threat is not thrilling in order to save her.

 

[YungManzi]

No, it means the plot of destiny itself deems the threat uninteresting.

And what would be considered interesting would be very specific sets of circumstances which Kumagawa assuredly won't meet. Like I said in the Ikki thread.

"Well; Earl the example given was the death of Oda Nobunaga when it comes to killing high destiny value existences. And he was technically never killed. He was betrayed by a comrade who staged a coup for fairly unknown reasons, cornered him in a temple and Oda committed seppuku while his attendants set the temple aflame and burned themselves alive to keep the traitor from getting Oda's remains.

That's the kind of scenario needed to kill an existence with high destiny value. Aoi flat out states that trying to shoot or stab them won't kill them."

 

[Jasonsith]

If more of people here deem the plot manipulation of Aoi such impressive and passive, the admin can lock this thread as this is another hax stomp match thread.

I want to hear experts from both side verses.