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Whoa, yeah. I think that's actually a way better option.Matthew Schroeder said:
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Medaka content revision.
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Scans? That seems like Empathic Manipulation.PaChi2 said:
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Medaka already has Durability Negation on her profile via Scar Dead.
Durability Negation, Plot Manipulation (Her status as the "Hero" causes the story to always flow in her favor, no matter what odds stand against her, forcing Plot-Induced Stupidity onto others so that she can win), Word Manipulation, can ignore plot-based defenses to an extent, possibly many others.
with little difficulty while using the same ability so it is unclear to what extent his success relied on her consent), can bypass conventional durability with All Fiction and various other abilities
Durability Negation, Plot Manipulation (Her status as the "Hero" causes the story to always flow in her favor, no matter what odds stand against her, forcing Plot-Induced Stupidity onto others so that she can win), Word Manipulation, can ignore plot-based defenses to an extent, possibly many others.
with little difficulty while using the same ability so it is unclear to what extent his success relied on her consent), can bypass conventional durability with All Fiction and various other abilities
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Gagamaru doesnt become intangible when using the encounter, its just that he isnt being hit. Hinokage could grab him just fine because it wasnt hurting him and that's how he won iirc.
When you try to punch gagamaru, you arent actually hitting him the ability makes it so that you are hitting something else. But he doesnt phase through anything.
When you try to punch gagamaru, you arent actually hitting him the ability makes it so that you are hitting something else. But he doesnt phase through anything.
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So it's Attack Redirection.
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Well, my take then:
1) Drastically lessening somebody elses abilities is either statistics reduction or power nullification, presumably both in this case.
2) We do not know how she crossed universes. She might have used transportation.
3) Maybe. I am not sure if we have a proper powers & abilities page to link scar dead to. It opens up both physical and mental wounds after all. I suppose that it is a type of durability negation.
4) I agree that Encounter is not limited to Multi-City Block level, but we cannot apply NLFs either, so Unknown is fine.
5) Supernatural luck is fine.
6) It isn't quite Regenerationn, as others have mentioned. It erases cause and effect, and automatically resurrects him. It is up for discussion though.
7) I am not sure if that is durability negation. That usually means causing physical harm regardless of durability, but I think that some telepaths have received it, so it is possible.
8) Intangibility isn't how his ability works. He shunts damage somewhere else randomly. For example, if you hit him, some nearby building might collapse.
1) Drastically lessening somebody elses abilities is either statistics reduction or power nullification, presumably both in this case.
2) We do not know how she crossed universes. She might have used transportation.
3) Maybe. I am not sure if we have a proper powers & abilities page to link scar dead to. It opens up both physical and mental wounds after all. I suppose that it is a type of durability negation.
4) I agree that Encounter is not limited to Multi-City Block level, but we cannot apply NLFs either, so Unknown is fine.
5) Supernatural luck is fine.
6) It isn't quite Regenerationn, as others have mentioned. It erases cause and effect, and automatically resurrects him. It is up for discussion though.
7) I am not sure if that is durability negation. That usually means causing physical harm regardless of durability, but I think that some telepaths have received it, so it is possible.
8) Intangibility isn't how his ability works. He shunts damage somewhere else randomly. For example, if you hit him, some nearby building might collapse.
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Reasonable seems Ant.
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He just pushes away the damage that he would've received from the attack, not the attack itself.Matthew Schroeder said:
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This is basically Encounter.
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"1) Drastically lessening somebody elses abilities is either statistics reduction or power nullification, presumably both in this case."
When Kumagawa "killed" Ajimu, he sealed her using Bookmaker so that she couldnt manifest/come back to the world. When this seal/ability lost power, she came back.
That's all there is to it. Kumagawa can seal people with it.
When Kumagawa "killed" Ajimu, he sealed her using Bookmaker so that she couldnt manifest/come back to the world. When this seal/ability lost power, she came back.
That's all there is to it. Kumagawa can seal people with it.
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My thoughts.
1. As I've stated, I'm indifferent to this one. Whichever sounds more reasonable to the community is fine in my books.
2. I was originally OK with this but as pointed out, we don't know the details. If it gets added, this would have to be noted how vague it is. I'm willing to go as far to say that it's not something that can be brought up in a VS thread.
3. It honestly seems like a combination of Mind Hax and Bio Manip. Also, it's already stated to ignore durability, so I don't really understand what would change in the grander scheme of things.
4. Nothing should change here. Encounter is either held to the perfromance it has displayed or it turns into a NLF.
5. Adding some weak/passive Probability Manipulation or Supernatural Luck seems fine.
6. Nothing should change unless there's an actual and observiable feat of Low Godly regen.
7. Unless we've got proof those screws truly ignore durability outside of piercing human bodies, I don't see why it should ignore durability.
8. The force of the blows and the damage is just being shunted somewhere else, so I don't see on how that equals intangibility. Especially because the ability has nothing to due with intagibility,
1. As I've stated, I'm indifferent to this one. Whichever sounds more reasonable to the community is fine in my books.
2. I was originally OK with this but as pointed out, we don't know the details. If it gets added, this would have to be noted how vague it is. I'm willing to go as far to say that it's not something that can be brought up in a VS thread.
3. It honestly seems like a combination of Mind Hax and Bio Manip. Also, it's already stated to ignore durability, so I don't really understand what would change in the grander scheme of things.
4. Nothing should change here. Encounter is either held to the perfromance it has displayed or it turns into a NLF.
5. Adding some weak/passive Probability Manipulation or Supernatural Luck seems fine.
6. Nothing should change unless there's an actual and observiable feat of Low Godly regen.
7. Unless we've got proof those screws truly ignore durability outside of piercing human bodies, I don't see why it should ignore durability.
8. The force of the blows and the damage is just being shunted somewhere else, so I don't see on how that equals intangibility. Especially because the ability has nothing to due with intagibility,
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I don't like giving Encounter Unknown. That just seems like it's inviting NLF.
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"7) I am not sure if that is durability negation. That usually means causing physical harm regardless of durability, but I think that some telepaths have received it, so it is possible."
Its supposed to make you as weak and helpless as kumagawa, with his psycopath mentality and stuff. When she was pierced her soul and mind should have broken down if it werent for her "friends". That was Kumagawa's "victory".
Its supposed to make you as weak and helpless as kumagawa, with his psycopath mentality and stuff. When she was pierced her soul and mind should have broken down if it werent for her "friends". That was Kumagawa's "victory".
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I would like to reiterate that encounter only pushes away the damage he receives and not the damage the attack could produce. Surely this could have Gagamaru's durability upgraded to simply multi-city block level since it would scale to his durability.
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How on earth do you beat that? In-verse, I mean.PaChi2 said:
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Hold on? You do know receiving damage is the amount of damage that was produce in the first place right?
Hold on? You do know receiving damage is the amount of damage that was produce in the first place right?
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Could that be a potential weakness? You can get through the mental trauma if you've already dealt with the issues?PaChi2 said:
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Preventing her from manifesting is more power null than sealing
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I'm fairly certain that it's been stated that it pushes away the damage he would receive not just the general damage of the attack. A person with higher durability would be pushing away less damage.Mr. Common Sense said:
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However, Iirc, Bookamaker makes you equal to the user. When used by kumagawa it becomes a weapon because being Kumagawa is a problem in itself, but I seriously doubt that it'd be of any harm if it were Medaka the user.
Therefore I can only agree with it being Dura negation on Kumagawa's hands, not medaka's.
Therefore I can only agree with it being Dura negation on Kumagawa's hands, not medaka's.
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So would the following conclusions be accurate?
Bookmaker can both seal others, negate their powers, and reduce their statistics, and works as durability negation, but likely only when used by Kumagawa.
Cross-universal teleportation is a no.
Scar dead is a mixture of biological and mind manipulation, and works via durability negation.
Unknown durability via Encounter.
Medaka has supernatural luck.
Resurrection via All Fiction is fine, but we do not know how to properly classify the degree of Regenerationn. Also, people do not seem to have souls in the Medaka verse, at least if I remember correctly.
Gagamaru using intangibility rather than simply shunting damage elsewhere seems doubtful.
Bookmaker can both seal others, negate their powers, and reduce their statistics, and works as durability negation, but likely only when used by Kumagawa.
Cross-universal teleportation is a no.
Scar dead is a mixture of biological and mind manipulation, and works via durability negation.
Unknown durability via Encounter.
Medaka has supernatural luck.
Resurrection via All Fiction is fine, but we do not know how to properly classify the degree of Regenerationn. Also, people do not seem to have souls in the Medaka verse, at least if I remember correctly.
Gagamaru using intangibility rather than simply shunting damage elsewhere seems doubtful.
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One thing I believe should come out of all this is maybe a discussion rule for Medaka. The series can be interepted in so many ways and it becomes quite a hassle to deal with due to the very nature of it.
In addition, threads involving mutiple abilities like this one can become an absolute mess due to how much is flying around. Bookmaker, Encounter, All Fiction, Scar Dead, etc. each of these could be threads by themselves.
Just saying.
In addition, threads involving mutiple abilities like this one can become an absolute mess due to how much is flying around. Bookmaker, Encounter, All Fiction, Scar Dead, etc. each of these could be threads by themselves.
Just saying.
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Sounds good to me.Antvasima said:
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Unknown is the only option. Unless someone from the Calculation team is capable of calculating how much force a being moving at the speed of light with an AP of Multi-city block is truly emitted upon impact.
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Gonna have to agree here. Otherwise everything else Ant said is good.DodoNova2 said:
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