MCU Thor Storm Calcs

[Marvel_Champion_07]

A less insane calc of Thor's Jotunheim feat (+ another calc for Mjolnir's speed):

How Powerful is Mjolnir? - MCU Talk

Thor's hammer (AKA Mjolnir), is arguably the most powerful weapon in history. We've seen the hammer overpower raging goliaths like the Hulk and level entire cities. After Mjolnir's unfortunate destruction, it made me wonder, how powerful was Mjolnir?

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Btw, I'm pretty sure if it's a lightning blast that caused the feat, it should be under AP and not SS

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

So it's either Low 7-C or high-end Tier 7/low-end Tier 6 for Thor's Jotunheim feat

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Tony: Maybe if we could cap the other end, keep the atomic action doubling back.

What does "doubling back" mean, btw?

 

[Hellbeast]

So it's either Low 7-C or high-end Tier 7/low-end Tier 6 for Thor's Jotunheim feat

Hmm so either a supporting feat or an upgrade

 

[KLOL506]

What does "doubling back" mean, btw?

something something fictional science stuff

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Hope it's an upgrade, but that's just personal preference

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

something something fictional science stuff

Alright then

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Like the casket causing the ice age, thanos cracking the tesseract?

The first one is a Ice hax feat that scales to no one afaik.

Thanos one was deemed an outlier as it was the highest tier 6 feat that the top tiers scaled to (High 6-B). But if enough feats around that level are found. I think it could be used.

I recall there was a recalc of the Thanos cube feat that was Low 6-B, but I don't remember where.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

The first one is a Ice hax feat that scales to no one afaik.

Thanos one was deemed an outlier as it was the highest tier 6 feat that the top tiers scaled to (High 6-B). But if enough feats around that level are found. I think it could be used.

I recall there was a recalc of the Thanos cube feat that was Low 6-B, but I don't remember where.

There is a Low 6-B+ calc for crushing the Tesseract. If High 6-B isn't accepted, this might work, but idk
https://vsbattles.com/threads/marvel-cinematic-universe-thanos-crushes-the-tesseract.17983/

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Pog. If we can use this, those above Thanos can be 6-B

 

[KLOL506]

Damn, didn't know the High 6-B stuff was incorrect.

But yeah, it fits the 6-B cap where Surtr gets whacked by a 6-B 'splosion.

 

[Dalesean027]

Does the 6-B cap apply to odin tho since he wacked prime surtur

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Does the 6-B cap apply to odin tho since he wacked prime surtur

We don't know what exactly happened in the fight between Surtur and Odin, but if it was close, the cap would apply to Odin.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I guess to get this out of the way, but why exactly are we scaling Thor's ability to generate a storm with his ability to punch hard?

 

[Dalesean027]

I guess to get this out of the way, but why exactly are we scaling Thor's ability to generate a storm with his ability to punch hard?

Remember all the storms and things thor could generate with mjonir scales to him as the hammer was a tool to help him focus the power he had but post awakening he no longer needs the hammer and can generate the raw power by himself it's not contradicted and is coupled by the fact that he physically got much stronger and faster when he awakened too


Pretty sure someone could explain that better than me though because I kinda abridged it

 

[Qawsedf234]

Remember all the storms and things thor could generate with mjonir scales to him as the hammer was a tool to help him focus the power he had

Mjolnir helping him focus his powers and Thor scaling 1:1 to his storms are different subjects. Why isn't this a prime example of Environmental Destruction

Environmental Destruction describes a character's capability to damage and destroy an area around themselves, but not necessarily their capacity to realistically harm their opponent. In practice, this is essentially a non-combat applicable Attack Potency; if a character is able to cause weather phenomena or natural disasters without any reasoning that can support their other statistics being at this level of destructive potency, then they should have trouble or lack the capacity to use these powers to damage characters in comparable tiers.

• Magnus Chase bringing summer to an island. Here, it's one of Magnus' powers that is causing this phenomena, to which it has little to no reasons for applying to his other forms of attack in regards to Attack Potency, Durability, and Striking Strength.

 

[Hellbeast]

I guess to get this out of the way, but why exactly are we scaling Thor's ability to generate a storm with his ability to punch hard?

This is what I've been saying this whole thread

 

[Starbrand_Fan]

If it's directly from Mjolnir then Awakened Thor automatically scales to his storms because it was stated that Mjolnir was only meant to allow him to focus, control, and wield his own power; which is something he can do and channel naturally Post-Awakening without the need for the hammer as a medium. The fact that he also got physically stronger is only the icing on the cake really.

Already went over this

 

[Dalesean027]

Mjolnir helping him focus his powers and Thor scaling 1:1 to his storms are different subjects. Why isn't this a prime example of Environmental Destruction

An actual discussion about it is going to have to wait if you're planning on discussing it with me I can't debate it and get into detail rn which is why I abridged it I'm busy irl doing work so I'll say just give it some time for others to answer I believe there's scans and other things for it

 

[Dalesean027]

Already went over this

Welp answer's right here I suppose

 

[Qawsedf234]

Already went over this

But that's not really an explanation of why he physically scales to his storms. Thor is a God of lightning, storms and technically oak trees. One of his abilities to control and generate storms, which is separate from his ability to generate lightning or his ability to punch hard.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Can I make a blog post on the two methods for Jotunheim calcs?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Is the Low 6-B+ calc usable? Also how would we scale all the others if we use it for Thanos. Would the High 7-As still be High 7-A or upgraded? And what about characters like Tony

 

[Dalesean027]

Is the Low 6-B+ calc usable? Also how would we scale all the others if we use it for Thanos. Would the High 7-As still be High 7-A or upgraded? And what about characters like Tony

They'd logically downscale so they'd be upgraded I guess

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

There is KLOL's Low 6-B calc for Thor's neutron star feat. We have to wait awhile for that

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

They'd logically downscale so they'd be upgraded I guess

Maybe yes for someone like Iron Man or Worthy Cap. But maybe not so for Awakened Thor?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

There is KLOL's Low 6-B calc for Thor's neutron star feat. We have to wait awhile for that

Oh yeah that. Never mind what I just said.

Low 6-B to 6-B MCU here we gooooooo

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Can I make a blog post on the two methods for Jotunheim calcs?

Did it anyway

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

How high is the neuron star feat btw?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

How high is the neuron star feat btw?

BTW, I did a recalc myself. I got Small Country level.

Only gotta put it in a blog for approval, but it'll prolly get bombed down as an outlier.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ah ok then

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

heh

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

heh

Tbh I feel like if High 7-A is chosen, it'll likely be an Outlier. And all the other results are below Thor's current rating

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Tbh I feel like if High 7-A is chosen, it'll likely be an Outlier. And all the other results are below Thor's current rating

Aight

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

heh

Turns out some parts of the high-end of the first method were wrong double-checking :v

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

High 7-A as well for the first method. Dang

 

[Qawsedf234]

I think the main issue is that this is a sudden impact on one spot that spreads out rather than some force apply something over the ice. Tensile strength is especially this because that's about a slow amount of strain and ice is incredibly brittle as a material.

I think it's probably better to just use our fragmentation values rather than this for the calc.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I think the main issue is that this is a sudden impact on one spot that spreads out rather than some force apply something over the ice. Tensile strength is especially this because that's about a slow amount of strain and ice is incredibly brittle as a material.

I think it's probably better to just use our fragmentation values rather than this for the calc.

Alright

 

[KLOL506]

I think the main issue is that this is a sudden impact on one spot that spreads out rather than some force apply something over the ice. Tensile strength is especially this because that's about a slow amount of strain and ice is incredibly brittle as a material.

I think it's probably better to just use our fragmentation values rather than this for the calc.

Using ice fragmentation values ain't gonna get you much because it's pathetically low. Best bet is on Thor cracking the vibranium spire, which in and out of itself is a massive outlier (Though it did only say "crack" and not shatter, while Thanos was outright able to chip away large pieces of Cap's vibranium shield).

Unless of course pre-awakening stuff is to be 6-C and post-awakening god tiers are to be Low 6-B and above. But even then that poses issues as now Cap's vibranium shield would turn Low 6-B and a whole slew of scaling shenanigans would develop.

 

[KLOL506]

Also if we're considering not scaling storm feats to Thor, then his 3.7 gigaton Endgame storm feat also cannot be scaled to his physicals despite Thor downscaling from Thanos's >>>>>5.2 gigaton snap dura feat. Maybe just axe Thor's High 7-A rating and consider him to be at most 6-C. Prolly won't matter much if we go the Low 6-B route tho.